I’ve read somewhere that certain molecule concentrations like none (what gives off the virile man impression) are higher in some products than others.
Need a little confirmation cos I’ve read somewhere that 1 spray of TUTH = 5 sprays of ammo without the social and steering molecules
And 1 spray of IJ = 5 sprays of TUTH
So is it safe to say that 1 IJ + 1 spray of TUTH = overdose?
Also, another variable to take into consideration is age. The older you get, the more none you can tolerate. Check out this thread on the approximate amounts of mones in the commercial line products such as AMMO and IJ…
So, OD can also happen if you use it in a venue that ISN’T appropriate for that mone signature. Your own personal mone production may hinder the tolerance to the none in these products or amplify the none negative effects. That’s why sweet spot testing, is crucial…
Woaaah thanks dude for the link. FRIGGIN AWESOME
Just high-jacking this thread a little bit:
Why does the to-go of TUTH ships with SB38B and the 30ml with SB40B?
Is one of them newer and the other one is getting “moved-on” from?
Have the SB40B been reported better in the 30ml & SB38B better in the 5ml to-go format?
Or is nothing “facts” yet, and it’s still up for testing/comparison?
Just courious
Korths^^
The version numbers do not necessarily mean a big change in the version. Those version numbers are for internal use by Androtics. As John mentioned (either in his ustream or on the forum somewhere) a difference in version number could simply mean they got the alcohol carrier from a different source, or different batches. The recipe would be essentially the same to the average user and there would be no difference in effects.
Not really, as was suggested actual sweet spot testing is required. Personally I have two sweet spot definitions.
The first kind of sweet spot is the dose at which YOU get the most positive reactions from people both in terms of consistency and in terms of intensity.
The second sweet spot is more of your ideal custom mix. You will from time to time find that some people will respond tremendously well to certain products at certain doses even if the majority of other people have more moderate reactions, no reaction or even negative reaction.
For example, you may find that certain women will be extremely attracted to an aggressive high none sig like a Jerk+TuTH combo, even though most other people would be uncomfortable around it.
Now I know you’ve already been using products in combination but the problem with doing that before you sweet spot test the stuff INDIVIDUALLY is that if you go out and have a great night with a lot of awesome hits…you don’t know if it’s the combination, or if it was only one product and you could have saved money by not using as many different things at once.
Now, imo a good way to test the consumer line products is in an alternating escalation method. Basically you follow Steve’s sweet spot testing method for each product in this order for the consumer line
Instant Jerk.(It’s called the “prove it to me” pheromone) a high none signature designed to get the most obvious reactions possible, both good and bad. It’s definitely an attention getter.
Instant Openness. Again obvious in effect, but social and much harder to gain negative effects with. Will help people see you as a fun guy.
Instant Gentleman. Gives you a more mature and dependable guy, should help change any negative opinions people may have gotten from the jerk vibe.Adds a little bit of status and value…some call it A314 lite.
Ammo…general all around attraction. I suggest this as a fourth product because the first three stages you’re basically testing None, Rone and Nol products individually and seeing their unique effects, now you can see a combination product like Ammo and decide for yourself which of the ingredients seem to help the most and/or are the most pronounced with you. “The Rone in Ammo really stands out for such and such activities”
5.)A314 spray. At this stage you now escalate to a more aggressive alpha signature. And…between your testing with IG, Ammo, and the Spray you should develop enough of a handle on Rone/None based products that you’ll be ready for investing in A314 oil which is the gold standard of the whole AD line.
Instant Shine. With the above products you’ve established attraction, Shine enhances that but will help to negate any possible effects that might be considered intimidating. It just makes people like being around you.A great comfort builder and comfort comes after you’ve established attraction.
Instant Honesty. Now with the people you’ve been exposing your mones to on a regular basis…you’ve been escalating your signature and alternating it essentially showing them attractive qualities one at a time. Instant Honesty at this stage would help create a deeper sense of connection. Comfort comes BEFORE seduction.
8.Turn up the Heat. Now is when I would suggest playing with Turn up the Heat. Those steering mones count for a lot and I OD easier with TuTH than with Jerk either on a spray for spray or mcg for mcg basis. But if you’ve been interacting with people (women) regularly for the whole testing period the products leading up to this have been establishing attractive qualities and creating a sense of connection and attachment. Adding TuTH simply says “it’s time to take the next obvious step” and adds a VERY strong sexual vibe to whatever they’ve been feeling up until now.
You can sweet spot test any way you like, but I endorse following this model because
A.) by alternating between none, rone and nol based products it becomes easier to make note of how the base mones differ in effect.
B.) the order creates an escalating attraction to comfort to seduction path so your various messages aren’t random and haphazard and are actually leading somewhere so you get the benefit of both the learning experience, and a long term and gradually improving impression about you in the people you expose to the signature.
I realize this veers a bit off the original question, but the essence is that you want immediate results, but you need a first hand knowledge of the products…this is imo the ideal way to accomplish both.
Do you mean SD? Its perfumers alcohol. Its simply the grade of alcohol. We buy organic SD when possible and in huge amounts. Sometimes we move up in grades when possible.
Specially Denatured = SD alcohol has different methods/processes of dentaruting. The numbers are simply the method in which it was done. No big deal, the scent is what’s going to carry your mones out for diffusion and sillage anyway.
TUTH, IJ, and AMMO have varying amounts of the molecule Androstenone. If it were that easy then everything would just have different levels of Androstenone, then slap a sticker and call it a different name.
The following are at standard levels.
TUTH is ~2.5 mcg/spray of Androstenone, there are steering molecules at small amounts that drive the product for that intended purpose.
IJ is approx 12.5mcg of Androstenone and has steering molecules
AMMO is 2.5mcg of -none/anol/erone
Could you OD, yes absolutely, but it also depends on the situation you are in. Although it is highly advised that you don’t do that, I’ve read some reports with good results, so try it out, but just be ready for the results that might happen if you use a high Androstenone mix. Ghosting and agressive actions against you can happen. You have to be aware that it’s the mones that facilitating those kinds of responses.
I see!^^
Yes of course, SD*. Have no idea why I wrote SB instead
When you say alternate do you mean 1st day use IJ, 2nd day IO, 3rd day IG, then 4th day IJ again but up dose, 5th day IO, 6th day IG, all upped dose
I’ve found my sweet spot for IO (2 sprays of 2x). Been a little lazy with posting the minor portions of my journals tho. I’m still trying to resist the self effects as it makes me talk… Alot. I’ve realised it works best in an enclosed space. But the emotional transfers can be quite strong (the affected tend to relate to the issue you talk about at hand and then come up with their own memory and reflection in order to relate and then it feels very real to them) I’ve taken to just spraying it in my car instead of on myself when I want people to have fun and just talk in my car.
I’m having difficulty recognising hits from A314 and Ammo (apart from the hugging incident that I messaged you about for ammo, but she may have just been looking to smell the TUTH). For A314 I’ve not noticed hits too but I’ve come to a conclusion that the self effects are awesome. It helps me maintain a consistent confident witty and humourous disposition.
I’m going to try testing my sweet spot for IG and IJ (a little nervous about this one) next week. What should I look out for for IG?
ps. Still can’t figure P83 out still. Lol. Probably have to wear it a few times at same concentration to gauge feel. Gonna try testing it again at 20mcg
No, by alternating I mean go through a period of sweet spot testing for the first product. Then go through a testing phase for the second and so on. As for p 83, you really should have tried to get a handle and a sense of each consumer line product first before even trying p83.
You see after you’ve played with the consumer line you can better understand the differences between social, respect, and sexual mones.(I say sexual instead of attraction because when used right any product can be attractive). Then when you start playing with putatives you can decide if the attraction hits are due to overt sexual energy, status and a respect vibe, or a relaxing comfort and social vibe.