IO hit and IH + P83...and some thoughts on how pheromones work

I’m still new to all this and have been most playing around with combo’s the few times I’ve had a chance to use anything where I may see an effect recently and have a couple of reports that others may find useful, plus some thoughts on pheros.

1: IO on it’s own
I was going to a tricky meeting and not intending to put anything on - I got by just fine for years doing exactly this kind of meeting with a good success rate and without pheros and when it’s something important I’d rather rely on myself as that’s worked in the past. That might sound odd (why use pheros at all in that case?) but there are some situations where I’m comfortable enough with the perception I can generate solo that I’d rather not take the chance of messing something up through an unwisely chosen phero signature. Maybe that’ll change when I’m more confident what I’m doing with them but I don’t see a reason to take a chance right now.

Of course other times I’m looking to reinforce what I can do solo by adding pheros in the knowledge I’m not going to mess anything up and other times it’s just fun to make a signature more complex :slight_smile:

Anyway, I arrived and decided at the last minute there’d be no harm in a spray of IO 2x (To Go), 2 sprays total, 1 each side of the neck.

Meeting went fine and I saw no real effect, either self or on them.

After I met up with a couple of mates for a quick drink and it was literally non-stop chat from them. They are often quite talkative but this was something else - one apologised to me later over email for how much they had spoken. I’m putting that down to IO.

  1. IH + P83

Met with a loose friend - it’s a complex situation. We’re not that close (but used to be a couple, many years ago) and these days it always feels a bit unsatisfactory when we meet as if it’s just fulfilling a sense of duty. We’ve both totally moved on but have mutual friends because of the circles we move in still so can’t really avoid each other. We meet for a coffee occasionally just the two of us and while she isn’t hostile there is a barrier she puts up when it is just us two.

I’d put on some IH+P83 earlier in the day to warm my LTR up a bit (no real noticeable effects, but possibly down to other things going on) - at this stage I didn’t know I was meeting this other girl.

Application / dosage was 2 sprays of IH 2x (To Go) to neck, then 30 mins later the same but P83 25mcg.

Anyway, wth this friend (who I saw maybe 3 hours after application) she took 10 mins to warm up and then it was like old times. Laughing, joking (her) and talking about plans for the future and just generally being herself in a way I’ve not seen for a long time. More often when we meet it’s me being the conversationalist and her being not evasive but not forthcoming either.

When we said goodbye it took a twist - me turning from walking next to her to 3/4s on to give a peck on the cheek goodbye as always and her shifting to be full on face to face for the briefest second then a pause and backing away.

It was a little bit awkward but neither of us made a show of having noticed anything and after a peck on the cheek we went our separate ways. I’ll add at this point that I have no interest at all in getting back with her, lovely though she is :slight_smile: I’m also pretty confident she has no interest in getting back with me.

I’m really liking P83 - I know it’s only a putative but of everything I’ve tried so far it’s the one I’ve seen work most in that it seems to amplify whatever else I have on. Certainly in this instance it seemed to break down a barrier and bring out the “real” person who I’ve not seen for many many years. So this has led to my thoughts on pheromones:

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t see pheromones as altering behaviour as in altering the way someone acts in response to you - it’s more complicated than that. I see them as giving the person you are yourself a stronger signal. It’s like using a cheap torch and saying “this is me” versus using the Batman spotlight (phero enhanced signature) and saying “this is me”. If the signal you are sending isn’t “you” at some level then there is no benefit as I see it. If you send out the Batman signal but arrive as The Joker people aren’t going to treat you as Batman.

Working outside the parameters of your own signature or your own ability to project a signal isn’t going to be successful, or at least not as successful. Is this right? You won’t change people’s behaviour just because you are wearing pheros but you’ll find it easier to get them to pick up on who you are and if you are acting the right way too they’ll respond to it.

This is why congruence is so important. I’ve probably said before that the person I am is generally someone people get on with and are pretty open to - for whatever reason she stopped having that perception of me and P83+IH boosted the signal most other people pick up on pretty quickly so it was strong enough to get past that misperception she’d developed. I think that’s the thing - she treated me like most other people do and she hasn’t done that for years. Normally my "friendly person to talk to " signature is cheap torchlight strength but that’s enough for people. The P83+IH supercharged the cheap torchlight I generate myself into a Batman spotlight which is what she required. If I wasn’t a P83+IH type person in the first place then it wouldn’t have worked as well. I think!

The awkwardness at the end was just force of old habit resurfacing.

Definitely agree with what you said about torchlight/spotlight comparison. However, i also believe that while pheros amplify what you are (whether for real or putting up a congruent act), they also play on other people’s senses, conceptions and inhibitions.
They amplify what other people might think of you, or how they react in your presence. They also push other people to lose their inhibitions and act on impulse (mostly people you know, or formed a connection with). If something is not already there, whether on your part or theirs, i don’t see pheros working effectively.

I like it that the post is about IH as it is the first product i tried when i got my first batch last year. I went to see an ex-gf of mine. We had a very stormy, passionate relationship that ended badly.
Anyways, ever since the breakup she would be very reserved, distilling what she says by the drop. I finally got to meet her, maybe 4-5 IH sprays 1x, and we had a lift off. About 10m into our coffee, she started talking on her own, about her current relationship, difficulties she’s having etc… At some point, she even said “I don’t know why i am telling you all this” or something like it.

Actually, just yesterday had yet another IH blatant hit from a friend at work. I was testing Ammo actually, but it later spread to IH as i had a togo bottle stashed in my pocket, in case i OD’ed on Ammo. MX292 or Ammo: You Decide