Nice work!!
Thanks for the very detailed reports! Really helps us all.
Hey justintime469,
Comparing HEDIONE/TUTH/TAC with AMMO/HEDIONE, which would you say gave you more ‘looks’ or ‘dihl’ from women out in public?
TUTH/Hedione/TAC this was a lot more sexual for sure. This was more attention grabbing and in a sexual way. Really turned women on. TAC really helps buffer the TUTH and I find I can wear more TUTH when going out in public.
Ammo/Hedione Now this was attention grabbing as well but in a different way. The attention I got was a more flirty fun type then raw sexual vs the TUTH/Hedione/TAC.
So the TUTH combo got more DIHL. But I think they are both very close and have their purpose. The Ammo setup works really good for daytime use and I like the more fun flirty stuff over the more sexual attention of the TUTH setup. I do think in the right setup the TUTH setup is perfectly fine for day use but I find the most important part is the balance of TUTH to TAC as to much TUTH will irritate women and piss men off. But You know how to balance this out I am sure.
I actually grabbed the Ammo by mistake and sprayed instead of TUTH and that is how I got to this combo and glad it worked out this way. I would like to add something to this maybe P96 or P79. If you have any suggestions I would love to try it. This combo looks promising but needs a little something I just haven’t quite figured it out yet. I am think this thing can be steered a lot of different ways vs other combos I have tried.
I don’t usually have much luck with AMMO combos.
But there was this one combo that was absolutely jaw dropping to me.
It’s in my log and I jokingly-yet seriously called it IL (instant leader)
It was a combination of AMMO, TAC, P95, IH and Hedione (from Aqua di gio).
I wore it one day in a college course and three females literally were over at my table working on the assignment with me. And we all had partners and were paired up in twos. One girl was my partner sitting right next to me. The other girl was some other guys partner who sat across from me and came and sat with me. And the third girl was someone’s partner and sat somewhere else across the room.
They were mid twenties and white, Mexican, and some sort of Asian.
They kept asking me for help with problems and we worked as a group. They took my advice and listened well. They often got really really close to me even leaning over me pressing their breasts on my shoulder. They said things like “thank you so much!” and “you’re so awesome” when I helped them with problems.
I even recall two of them simultaneously asking me a question and then giving each other a sort of dirty look as if they were in competition for my attention.
I kid you not!
I wasn’t sure if it was a fluke so I tried the same combo days later and it rendered the same results.
I haven’t done it since and haven’t been in college in a whole so I don’t know if different settings will give the same effect.
It was by far one of the most awesome experiences I had in my whole life!
I did, however about a year later try the mix in a different college course and though I didn’t have girls flocking to me from around the room, I did already have a group to which I was the only male and these girls were asking me for help in the same manner, and one, who was Hispanic also leaned over my shoulder and placed her breasts on my shoulder..
It looks like a kick-ass mix to try out, Jdub. I’ll have a look at your log for the dosage and ratios 
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Wow thanks for the input Jdub. I know the TUTH combos are definitely more attention grabbing for sure. I just like how the Ammo was more playful than the serious of TUTH. So this is a big help. Down the road I will play with Ammo mixes. I think Ammo is very balanced as is so it may be hard to make mixes with it I don’t know.
No problem man. Looking forward to reading your log with test results.
P80 report update
My original report is in post #29
So after going thru HankBuddy journal I thought I would revisit this putative. I had a hard time with this one but this is what I got this time.
This was the 5 MCG a spray and I diluted to 2.5 MCG a spray for testing purposes because I remember it worked at low doses.
I spray 1 spray to neck for 2.5 mcg . I immediately notice I am feeling slightly better and feel more confident. At the time wife and I were at her parents house and I didn’t notice anything different from anyone.
I spray another 2.5 MCG spray on left wrist and smear on my right. 10 minutes go by and all of a sudden wife is seeking my approval on anything and everything. She keeps asking if I need anything and is going out of her way to try and please me.
There is a parade in town from the high school being here 100 years. We live in a small town so a lot of people will be there so I think this will be a good testing spot. Setting is outdoors and it is crowded. Normally people we know stop and say hi for a few minutes then leave. With this 5 MCG of P80 on people would stop by and not only chat but they were offering me things and asking if they could buy us a drink or lunch. This thing seems to be an alternative to Rone. 4 different times wife and I were offered something and I know this was the effect of the P80. The feel good self effect I got was similar to the one from A314 Rev 32 but not quite as strong as that.
I decide to wear 10 MCG today. I felt in a more solid state of mind and the small things I stress about seemed to go away. Setting was church and I felt this test was OK here. Everyone seemed more in depth and more into how I was feeling instead of just saying hi then walking off like normal. People seemed a lot more genuinely interested in what I have to say.
Today I wore 10 MCG and setting was father in laws house to watch football game. I was around all guys wich I wanted to test on more anyway. Both my brother in laws and father in law were including me in a lot more things than usual and like they respected my opion more with this on.
So I am happy with this and glad I revisited this molecule. P80 seems to get respect from men and woman. I have read other reports that got different results but this is what it did for me
I bought some P80 today. Looking forward to testing it out solo, too.
I thought I would post what I have found for anyone interested in alternative products for body wash, deodorant, etc.
I thank Conjurator for this as he was the one that messaged me asking about some choices. This is just from my experience with what was available at my local health food store and there may be better products out there and if there is please share them.
I use Jason body wash you can get it at most health food stores or online. I know it is free of a lot of the harsh chemicals. I am not sure of the xenos though.
The health food store is the best place to find natural products or online.
Body Wash Jason seems to work really good and lathers really nice. I think as long as you don’t get the anti bacterial as these will kill of a lot of your own natural pheromones and are harsh on your skin. Most natural body washes aren’t real effective but the Jason I found to work good.
Deodorant I was using a salt stick which kills the smelly bacteria but still lets you sweat. On hot days I was sweating to much and this became embarrassing so I switched to Toms of Maine. Toms is free of most chemicals and stopped me from sweating and is effective and I buy it at Walmart for around $4.27.
Shampoo&Conditioner I am still trying to find an effective set that either doesn’t over dry or that actually gets hair clean
Clothes washer detergent I have trued several and found Seventh Generation the best by far. It cleans and gets stains out just as good as any tide or gain does. Doesn’t leave any scent behind which I like. Very effective and cost is good to.
Dryer Sheets I switched to the wool dryer balls. They are around $15 to $20 for a set. There are no chemicals and they help to dry the clothes a little quicker. They aren’t quite as effective as the dryer sheets but we are happy with how our clothes come out.
Shaving Cream So I tried Burts for men and it was ok but I gave up and just switched back to the Gillette cream.
Tooth Paste I tried many different types and they all hurt my teeth so I switched back to the Sensodyne paste and everything is back to normal.
Dish Soap So again I have found Seventh Generation to be the most effective for dish and dishwasher soap. Very effective and without breaking the bank account.
I get all these items at my local health food store except the Toms of Maine you can get at Walmart.
To me as far as the pheromone thing goes I think the Body Wash and Deodorant are the most important. I get everything in unscented if possible to.
MX 48… Report
Under Embargo
Day 1
2 sprays to neck 1 left 1 right. within 10 minutes I feel a little more carefree and I am not worrying about life’s little problems. I feel a lot more social and just want to live for the moment and like nothing else matters. I don’t feel so irritated around the house with things that normally bother me and I feel a slight inner peace. My mind seems more calm and at rest rather than being very busy and all over the place.
I go to eat at local Mexican restaurant. I am a regular so most that work there know who I am. There is a Hispanic woman late 20’s who greets us. She gives a huge smile and seats us. She looks at me and just smiles and pauses for a few seconds and then asks what I would like to drink. She chats with me then takes my wife’s and daughters drink then leaves. Wife immediately looks at me and asks what that was about. I just look at her like I am puzzled and say I have no idea. This same waitress walks by and every time she does she does she slows down and is smiling. I try not to notice her as I am afraid the wife will eventually get upset.
20 minutes later a different waitress Caucasian white late teens brings us the food. After she sets the plates she looks directly at me and asks if I need anything else. I say we are fine then she walks off. So the attraction factor seems great here.
Day 2
3 sprays 1 left 1 right neck and 1 left wrist smeared to right. We decide to go to a charity event to help raise money for the local community. I walk in and the event coordinator greats us she is middle 50’s Caucasian blonde. She just starts chatting up a storm with me and smiling a lot. She eventually leaves and goes to chat with others but I notice everywhere I go and look around I catch her looking my way and smiling even though she is talking to others. This went on the whole time I was there. So I decide to just walk around and mingle to see what is going on. I got a few IOI from random women most of them older 50 plus. I seem to attract this age group anyway. This MX seems like a mix of Ammo, CTTM, and IO. Very nice hits.
Day 3
3 sprays 1 left 1 right neck and 1 right wrist smeared to left. I wait 10 minutes and spray my cologne Boss Hugo over this MX like the guide says. The scent settles very light but still noticeable. We go to a friends 30th B Day party. I walk in and immediately one of the older ladies comes over and starts chatting with me. Now this is out of character for her because she is normally very quite and doesn’t talk to anyone. I don’t get the flirty nature I got with the other women, more of like a social hit. I eventually sit at one of the big tables in the center of the room. As people walk by they stop and talk to me and within a few minutes they grab a chair at the table I am sitting and just keep chatting. within 20 minutes the table is full and no one is sitting at any other table. Men and women both are stopping and chatting. This MX seems very friendly with men also and works just like IO.
After party is over I go to dollar store to grab a few items. There is a young early 20’s Caucasian girl working there. When I go by her she immediately stops and I get a DIHL. She even walked by and brushed up against me a few times. I decide to grab what I need pretty quick and check out before this got me in trouble with the wife.
Very good MX and what I like most seemed to work very well and men and women of all ages. Men were very friendly wearing this way more than normal. This was like a mix of Ammo, CTTM, and IO. Very effective. I think this is a perfect standalone MX compared to others I have tested.
Strength I give an 8. This thing hit pretty hard and right away it seems.
Length of Effects I got anywhere from 4 to 6 hours out of.
Tenacity This thing did seem to attack people but in a good way
Effectiveness&Consistency I would give an 8 pretty solid hits and with everyone and of all age ranges. Worked very well
Diffusion&Sillage Vapor trail was around 5 feet so I had to invade some peoples space a little to see the effects. Maybe try in another scent like the FF/21 might help this.
Texture this thing would be something smooth is the first thing that comes to my mind.
I made a test mix with Hedione mixed in the same bottle as some other pheromones. I have mixed Hedione with cologne before without much issue and I wanted to see how the Hedione reacts with the other pheromones. I have made other mixes with Hedione and pheromones before with not much success. I didn’t give the mixes time to setup and I didn’t mixed them thoroughly.
I mixed everything into a 5ML togo bottle
TF=Test Formula
TF101
2.5ML IS 2X from 30ML bottle
1.0ML P74 25MCG a spray 6 % Neroli from 30ML bottle
1.5ML Pure Hedione
so each spray should give me 1X IS, 5MCG P74, and 30% concentration Hedione
What I did is let it setup over 2 days and I used my foot massager and wedged it between the couch cushions and put all my togo bottles in my case(pic on page 3 in post #34) on top of my massager with the lid closed and put a 5 pound weight on it.
This seemed to vibrate all my bottles really well and thought this should really mix things up much better than what I can do on my own. So I did this for 20 minutes 3 times a day for 2 days.
I tried my TF101 2 sprays to neck and 1 spray on left wrist smeared to right wrist. Immediately I notice that when I smeared the spray on my wrists I notice the oil from the Hedione so this is a good sign I think.
All 3 of these molecules seemed to mix very well in the same bottle. I notice the molecular weight of the Hedione is around 226 so it is really close to other pheromone molecules.
I am very familiar with IS and P74 individually and I notice they seem to be working great here and just as effective as if I sprayed from separate bottles.
I also get a certain nose burning when I first spray Hedione also. I got that same nose burning feeling when I sprayed my TF101 so a good sign.
I normally get a lot of friendliness with this mix and that is about it. But Hedione adds some type of alluring effect especially on women. Wife and I had to go to Wal mart for last minute Halloween stuff, so this is a perfect testing spot as I know it will be busy.
So we go to the costume aisle and sure enough it is packed with women. So we start browsing around and I am getting a lot of stares from women. Now with just IS and P74 is more of a friendly glance, but with Hedione I am getting full on stares and big smiles at the same time. I try not to look back to much so I don’t piss the wife off. I mean 8 out of 10 women are doing this. It was really amazing with this Hedione added.
One woman even stopped to just chat with me and asked if that was my wife next to me. I said yes she is, and she just smiled and said if we weren’t married she would take me home. I started to blush a little and I never blush. The lady walks off and the wife just laughs it off. The lady was early 50’s really not that attractive but made my day by making me feel good.
So their is an attraction thing with Hedione and I am really starting to understand this molecule more and see why it is so popular especially with TUTH.
I really wrote this to understand this mixing of different molecules in the same bottle. I think it is ok to do if it is mixed really good. I will definitely be mixing more things in the future. It is probably much safer to just layer and spray out of different bottles.
Sometimes it is good to go against the norm and for the sake of science and experimenting. This is a great hobby and to me it is worth having a few fails if it means I get just one successful formula.
Uniformed question here:
Should the pheromones cure for a period of time? I’ve read a few threads where people let the mones sit for a while together…just curious.
Lil: i think proper mixing is the key i dont think a curing time is necessary
I think as long as they are mixed very thorough all is well. There are probably so many factors like molecule weight and if they chemistry of the molecules even react well together. I have made probably 7 other mixes all didn’t come out to well. I also didn’t mix them very well. I would mix the molecules and shake a few times and spray them on. I don’t think so time is a factor so much as the mixing. I just took a couple of days to just have the time to mix them properly. I usually get to excited to try them out and then I just get disappointed.
I am going to make more I am going to use IS, Ammo, and TUTH as my base.
IS and TUTH combos I find easy. It is the trying to figure out what Ammo needs that is tough.
Once I seen the Hedione molecule weight was very close to other pheromones I thought this had to mix better. I find it odd though that Hedione is lighter than some of the other molecules but still sank to the bottom when first mixed.
I am still new to mixing things and learning as I go. Even if I mess up a mix it still sure is fun.
My report on MX49…
Day 1
3 sprays 1 left neck, 1 right neck, and 1 left wrist smeared to right. No self effects that I can tell at all. Wife comes homes 30 minutes later and is more flirty than normal. We have to go to Wal Mart to buy her Day a B Day gift. The only hit I got while there was a 20 blonde girl. What was weird was she was walking by and holding hands with her BF. So they walk past me and I turn back to look and so does she. I smiled and just turned around.
After this we go to all you can eat china buffet where my father in laws B Day diner will be. We show up and there are only a few other family members here and everyone is very happy and chatty with me. So as more family walks in they come to where I am sitting and starts chatting and am interested in what is going on in my life. So I feel like this is a life of the party MX. I am a regular here and even the servers are being extra nice to me today. In fact my father in law even comments on how they must think it is my B Day the way they are treating me. AT the buffet bar I had a few older ladies 50 plus give me some looks and smiles but nothing major to report.
Day 2
I wear the same sprays and same app points as I did on day 1. The only difference is that I spray my midnight cologne for men by bath&bodyworks over this MX 10 minutes after I applied. This goes ok with the scent of the MX I can’t say great or bad just ok like 6 out of 10 if I had to rate it. Again wife becomes more touchy and flirty. we go to meet some friends and there are 3 other couples there and a single guy. We show up and immediately I am the center of attention like I was at the diner party on day 1. I find this fascinating as I get no self effects and this thing seems to come alive in bigger groups of people. Everyone just seems interested in what I have to say. A lot of friendly bonding not like P74 but it is hard to describe but people just seem connected to me. Wife noticed I am more cheery and lively with this MX and I am around a group of people and I think she is right and am glad she pointed this out. Wife just said there was this glow about me that just draws people in and rubs off on them and makes them happy and cheery to. I don’t see this but she does and I thank her. This thing is more social and a social lubricant than it is sexual, it does have a light friendly flirting about it.
Day 3
So I want to see how this thing effects others more than me. So I wear 1 spray left elbow, 1 right, and 1 on left wrists smeared to right for a total of 3 sprays. I decide to go with some guy friends to a local bar to play a few pool games. We walk in and go to an open pool table and we start a game and waitress comes over and she is middle 30’s blonde I give an 8. She asks what we want to drink, I am checking her out pretty good and she just keeps smiling at me takes our order and goes to get our drinks. We get out drinks and then she keeps looking at me smiling then leaves. Now I know this is part of their job and they want good tips so it is hard to say if this was much of a hit. After maybe 10 minutes we were there people that walk by stop to just chat and say hi, I mean random strangers men and women. My friends even joke about it with me calling me Mr. Rogers and everyone’s friend, I laugh with them and say it is all good.
So again I notice in bigger crowds and with groups of people this thing comes alive and is the center of attention. I do think this thing needs a sexual like TUTH, Ammo, or just some None to really set this MX off. No self effects at all for me with this one. I almost always get self effects. I didn’t feel I got any status with this. I think this is a fun friendly mix. Everyone wants to be close and just chat. This MX is more suited for a social pack instead of a love pack. Highly useful MX though and I would use for church, family gatherings, or friendly settings. I didn’t try with a sexual but down the road I will try to test and report back on it.
Strength: I give an 8. I think the effects were subtle and not in your face but really powerful at the same time if this makes sense.
Length of Effects: I got around 5 hours out of it. Hard to tell onset as it seemed to work only in bigger groups.
Tenacity: This thing did attack people but in a soft way if this makes sense.
Effectiveness&Consistency: I would give a 7.5 out of 10.
Diffusion/Sillage: I had a 6 foot cloud or so around me when it was working on people.
If it were music and a star combined I would have to say this thing is Rick James for sure. Life of the party.
I think I also got an inapropriably young and hyper chatty hit from a 17 yo with that mx.
Hm I want to find a place to kind of test around a younger crowd as this may work better for like early 20’s and if that is the case this would be gold because for the younger crowd.
My P13. report
Sorry everyone I put this report in the putative section for the Reporting Users out of respect and that is why the last number is the way it is. I need to put here to keep myself organized. It is likely a lot of you got the same freebie to test to as this was a fun one.
AD was nice enough to include this P13. 5 MCG 6% Neroli in my last order so here is my report.
Day 1
1 spray to throat for 5 MCG. After a few minutes my heart rate increases slightly. I feel slightly more carefree. This was all I got at this does but so far looks like this will work in the lower MCG range. I spray 1 more spray to left wrist smeared to right. Wife and I are off to a school Halloween party with our daughter and there will be a few hundred people packed in a gym. I am gave a job of handing out Halloween candy to all the kids. AT 10 MCG people are really friendly(similar to P74) and everyone feels the need to touch me when they go by with a handshake, hug, or pat on the back and men and women are doing this. Nothing sexual just nice friendly touching. It seems like they just want to connect with me. It really is over whelming because I am trying to hand out this candy and keep the line moving but a good night.
Day 2
3 sprays to neck 1 throat, 1 left, and 1 right, for a total of 15 MCG. I get the increased heart rate again. Now this thing is like a mix of IS and P74. It amazes me how these molecules can act like others at certain doses. I am feeling really good and the self effects are just awesome. I decide to spray 1 more spray on my wrist and smear it to right wrist just to see how it effects others. So now again I see this thing transition again to a buzzed sorta happy feeling when I hold my wrists close to my nose (like wearingP91). So now I feel like I wore a mix of IS, P74, and P91. This P13. has many sides to it any more than any other single molecule I have tested. Wife had a few friends over and her friends husband is normally a negative person. But to this time he was super friendly and even asked me to go play gold with him. His wife is just in shock by this. So they leave as they weren’t hanging out long. Then about 3 hours after applying I got an passionate desire or sex. Not horny but just a sudden urge to have sex with the wife. Just random but great.
Day 3
2 sprays to neck 1 left, 1 right. This time I didn’t get so much of a heart rate increase like the other 2 times. Setting will be a family Halloween party. I think this will be a good dose to start with. Immediately after I spray this on my wife looks at me and comments on how good I look(we aren’t dressed up just normal clothes) and says she wants to have sex right now, but we have no time and have to go. We get to the party and everyone is in a cheery mood way more than before once we start talking to everyone. Again everyone seems touchy in some sort of way either hugging or handshaking and everyone is really cheery.
First Impressions
Very Happy, touchy molecule. I normally smell the neroli, but when this thing settles it smells more like a designer cologne like CK Eternity but not quite as sweet
Dosage
At 5-10 MCG this thing is like(P74 for me). AT 15 MCG this thing transitions a little more into like IS and P74. At 20 MCG again this thing transitions a little more like IS, P74, and P91 where there is a slight buzzed feeling.
Environment
I would wear with a sexual like Ammo or TUTH. But I would say this is ok for any environment but best used in where you would want happy, touchy, bonding. Does work on men and women.
Strength
I give an 8
Tenacity
I give a 9 because this did seem to hit everyone pretty hard
Effectiveness & Consistency:
I give a 9 I had really good luck with it.
Diffusion/Sillage:
Cloud was around 6 feet and
I will be buying more on my next order. The most versatile single molecule I have tested.