P78
Self effects are huge. HUGE social disinhibitor. Approach anxiety? Gone. Have problems being social? Gone. I want to say this is like IO x100, but on yourself. Not only do you talk a lot, but you WANT to. Have no problems going up to random strangers and saying hi or talking to them with this on.
Downside: Noticed it only works on the user. Haven’t noticed it affecting others too much.
Just got back from a trip to Vietnam to do charity work and HK for a few days. Brought with me: MX292, P83, AMMO, IH strx4 + oil spiked with pheros from LP. I forget the name of the oil from LP.
First off, if you’re from a relatively dry area like Cali and you’re not use to weather that’s high in humidity (70-80%) and high heat (80-90+) don’t use pheros where you sweat a lot. Primarily the front of your neck. The front of my neck is my primary app point and it is horrible for places like Vietnam, HK, or hell, Asia in general during the summer time. Was in HK, Japan, Korea last summer and had similar problems, though this time more pronounced. First day I used it on neck and the smell was gone in less than an hour, I’m assuming pheros were not far behind. No joke, 2 sprays of AMMO + 2 sprays of IH and the scent was gone in under an hour. I couldn’t smell the scent package or any hints of any pheros either. I’d say it was around 50 minutes. I decided to use forearms as an app point for the sprays and was far more successful with that app point. I used the oil on my jawline and that seemed to work pretty well too. With those app points they seemed to last for about… 2-3 hours max.
Used pheros for 4 days while working. 2 days with AMMO, 2 days with MX292. AMMO was used with IH + oil on first day, then just IH on the second. MX292 same thing. First day was with oil + IH, next was only IH. Best results were with MX292 + IH, but keep in mind that it’s just 4 days and it could have been a fluke. People seemed to feel more comfortable around me with MX292 than they did when I wore AMMO. I forget what pheros were in the oil, but I think the scent package for the oil threw most people off. It has a coffee shop type scent to it. Can’t really say much for the oil, it seemed to give off weird vibes I guess. Or it didn’t blend well with the pheros.
Bottom line: MX292 works wonders for me. I’ve gotten great hits from it from all cultures. It doesn’t seem to offend many people and it’s fairly consistent. AMMO seems a bit more raw and very blunt in it’s signature.
I have the same humidity problems here in Memphis and its one of the reasons why most of my mixes are now made with DPG. Just no way around it and something I have continuously brought up to no avail. If you live in the Deep South forget about alcohol based mones. Pretty much worthless down here. For the past three summers I have been told Androtics would make something to compensate for the high humidity but so far no luck. That’s why I make my own mixes now.
Ok, so I think it’s safe to say that MX353 is a complete and utter dud when compared with MX292. It’s either that or I got sent a placebo or it was mislabeled or they sent the wrong product.
I have been running out of MX292, have like 1/4 bottle. When I ordered MX353 I had maybe 1.5 bottles. In retrospect I probably shouldn’t have used any of the MX292 knowing what I know now.
I specifically tested MX353 against MX292 and hands down, MX292 has FAR better responses than MX353. MX353 = Nissan while MX292 = Ferrari. Period. Just the amount of IOIs and being opened. Never been opened with MX353. Opened several times with MX292. Varied sprays with MX353 1-3 sprays. Nada. ONE spray of MX292 > any amount of MX353. Tested them solo and with cover scents. Tested them with cover scents and other pheros. Any way you put it, MX292 is FAR superior. Even if I took MX292 out of the picture and rated MX353 as it’s own mix, I would still have to say it’s disappointing in comparison to other mixes like MX203, Steve’s MX301/302 and even a simple P83+79+Shine mix. I am honestly severely disappointed with the current “MX292” with a different scent, MX353.
Have also been testing P83. I’ve found that it seems to help create some sort of attraction. Been using it @ 15mcg. Haven’t really been using -none or -rone lately. Just 83, 79, shine, and IH. When I use 83, 79 and WAGG I got pretty good responses. WAGG is the closest thing to -rone I have right now cause I let someone borrow A314 and haven’t asked for it back yet… should probably get on that.
Haven’t had the money to get any new pheros. Last time I ordered was probably months ago… maybe it was MX353 or P86. Been using cover scents from LP. Personally the scents aren’t my favorite, but I ordered ones that are out of my comfort zone. Either way, it seems like a hit with most people that I’m around.
Damn. Really wish I would have known about MX292 before it was out of stock. Really wish Game scent was available still. 
What happened that Androtics got rid of Game?
Supposedly Game scent wasn’t popular enough. I believe MHarris said only 2-3 out of 10 people liked it. I think it smells fine. Better than Akuto or FF22. MX292 was discontinued a long time ago. MX353 replaced it and supposedly it is going to also be discontinued. From what I’ve read though, it seems that MX292 could have had a bad batch and apparently, the last batches of MX353 seem to have been very good. I believe the MX353 I got was near the beginning, probably the second batch. Others I know that got the earlier versions of MX353 also seemed to be disappointed in comparison to MX292. In terms of scent, I’ve been complimented countless times on MX292. Got negative comments about scent with MX353. =/
The thing is… Game scent and the mones that make up MX203 or MX292 work a lot better than some other scent and those same mones. Especially from MX292, as has been noted with MX353. Mones work great with certain scents. Game wasn’t for all mones. But MX203 and MX292 were gold. I know of the former personally. The latter from numerous posts.
phya, i get the feeling you r one of gurus here, i am waiting for my package still, felt like asking you few questions if i may,
i ordered IS, IG, A314, TUTH, IO:
I am thinking about mixing IO, IG, and A314 for the speed dating, what do u think ?
I am 29, a bit aggressive normally without mones, athletic, macho, confident, i do have little temper, impatient sometimes, but i get depressed quite often (specially when i dont get enough sunshine), and i was concerned that my depression might worsen when i start using mones..appreciate your advice and answers.
@_@;; I’m not Phya. Although I do know of him. Great guy. I’ll try and answer your questions anyways.
1: Speed dating. You say you are aggressive normally. Is that how you are perceived by OTHERS? If others find you aggressive, I would not use A314 for speed dating without heavy buffers. It also depends how you dress and the way you carry yourself. I would leave A314 out of the mix until you have used it for a good 2-3 weeks on its own. I would go with IS, IG and IO, and ONE shot of TUTH. Maybe 2x shine, 2xIO, 1xIG, 1x TUTH. But remember, you should ALWAYS test out the product solo and see how they work for you before you combine things. I especially recommend that for A314. It can be one of the best pheromone mixes if you find the sweet spot for yourself and use it correctly. Keep in mind that every girl/woman is different. Just because one might find a certain scent or phero combo incredibly attractive, another might find it repulsive.
2: Outdoors: Usually for outdoors, game over. What is the weather going to be like? Are you in a hot and humid area? Beaches can also get windy. In my opinion, being outdoors in wide open areas with wind/circulation like beaches, will just be throwing away like 80% of your pheromones. If you’re outside like in a backyard with friends, it won’t be as big of a problem.
Generally:
Things that lowers pheromone effectiveness: open areas, wind, circulation.
It’s really hard to counter being outdoors. It depends on how far the carrier the pheromone is in can or won’t carry it (diffusion). Generally the sprays will have good carry and be effective from 1-6 feet. The further it can carry, the less effective it is outdoors. Colognes and oil fragrances have different rates of diffusion.
Things that lowers pheromone time of effectiveness: humidity, high heat
The only way to counter humidity is to use oil based products. They stay closer to your skin but may not diffuse as well. Currently, A314 is androtic’s only oil based product… I think.
3: Again, there isn’t really a single combo that will attract women to you. Everyone is unique and so are the things they find attractive. If you’re quite active in your salsa class, working up a sweat, oils would be best. Since you probably don’t have oils, you can also try lotion. Put on some lotion on your arms and spray your pheros over them. It really depends on how much you sweat and the environment inside the class. The more you sweat and the warmer you get, the faster the pheros will diffuse and may carry. So if you spray a lot, you might be “that cologne” guy. I highly, highly recommend that you test out your pheros seriously before you actively use them for a certain purpose or target. Certain pheromones may work better for you than others.
Hope that helps.
Decided to give MX297 a go. I didn’t realized I had a ToGo of it. It was partially used so I must have used it at one point. I think it was when I mixed it up with MX272 when I was in a hurry. After seeing all the reports of how awesome this mix was, I wondered why I haven’t used it… until I sprayed it on. Ohhhh yea… Akuto scent… Something about Akuto and that FF22 just doesn’t sit well with me. FF22 seems to settle a bit quicker than Akuto, but still they both smell a bit repugnant to me.
Anyways, wore this to night class that I’ve been attending and have been testing MX353 and MX292 against each other. Wore 1.5 sprays of 353 to neck. I’m usually there early cause for me, I either get to class really early or really late. Doesn’t seem to be an inbetween for me. Anyways, I sit in my usual spot next to the door so I can bolt when class is over. Surprisingly, the 2 females… well the only 2 females that are straight (3 women total) sit next to me when there are clearly other seats in the room. I’m at the edge of the row so its me, and the two to my right.
Class is slightly less boring than usual, but I still don’t find it too intriguing so I’m pretty much on my phone going over notes. Girl next to me is always bored out of her mind, playing with her nails, on her phone, playing with her nails and I don’t know what it is, but she some how keeps herself entertained in her own world. Throughout class it’s usually either the teacher talking or a student and it’s not really too rowdy. Every now and then it will get loud for a few minutes as more than one person is trying to give their input on something. The girl next to me doesn’t usually share much, but in the last couple weeks she’s spoken up more. In retrospect, she probably should just keep quiet cause half the time she says something she makes herself look like a ditzy airhead teehee type of girl. Anyways, she seemed very self conscious when she was sitting next to me. She had come from the gym and she seemed really happy. A few minutes after sitting down she looked at me and asked if she smelled. Personally I couldn’t smell anything so I told her she didn’t smell and other people probably wouldn’t either. As class goes on, she’d make small talk with me, and shows me her foot that she bruised up while doing muy thai for the first time and going into detail about that. Random things about her week. Near the end of class I hear her stomach rumbling. Like 30 minutes later during break it’s rumbling more and she seems to get embarrassed and asks me if I can hear her stomach. I lie to her and say not really. Obviously a bad answer as she proceeds to ask others if they can hear her stomach rumbling, which results in people in the class teasing her about it.
Overall, I’m not too sure of this mix. As far as IOIs, the girl directly next to me gave off a few signs. A little hairplay throughout class, whenever she spoke it was either the teacher asked her a question, once to make a comment about someone’s phone and to me. Whenever she spoke with others, it was a conversation I was having with someone else and she had jumped in to comment. For the other female, I didn’t really notice too much as she was pretty much out of my line of sight. That and 70% of the time I was studying off my phone for another class.
As for others, well… the class can be very talkative and it can be hard to get the chance to say anything. Usually when I go people talk over you or you don’t get to say anything regardless of who you are. Unless you’re the teacher or you’re talking because the teacher has asked you specifically about something. I found that with 353 I was able to get my comments in more, not every time, but more definitely more often. I would say normally for anyone, you’re going to get talked over or ignored 70-80% of the time. I’d say for me it was around 35-40% that night whenever I said anything.
Can’t really say how this stacks up against other MXs as this is a first run and I did have a mix on earlier in the day from LP. Besides the scent, I’d say it seems to have potential.
MX297, 1.5ish sprays. I say 1.5 cause for some reason the first spray on the bottle always seems to spritz out and doesn’t seem to be a full spray.
Added on like 8 inches of a LP scent + phero mix
Same night class. It felt like I got a lot of status hits from the two most talkative guys. Girl who has been sitting to my right, sat next to me again with seats on the opposite side of room open, while the side I was on was getting filled. A lot of positive body language from her. Body facing my way a lot, body mimicking and receptive to my questions. I guess you could say there was a sort of mutual interest type feel to the conversation. She asked a few questions about me and I did the same. The overall mix gave off a some status type feels to it. The guy to the left of me was really friendly, talked a lot about himself and went out of his way to do me a favor. His attitude towards me felt really “beta”-ish in comparison to the other people in the class. The other guy also acted more beta towards me in comparison to the past like 8 weeks or so.
There was a ceiling fan on and we were in a smaller room than normal, so I’d say there was great diffusion and doors were closed. Can’t really say how much of it was 297 and how much of it was from the LP, but both of em seem to work and blend well together. I actually liked the way I smelled after a half hour or so. 2 hours later I felt like the combined scent was really awesome smelling which is a bit ironic since I think both of them solo don’t smell particularly wonderful. I don’t think I’ll use 297 for a bit. Going to use the LP and probably work on making sure 353 is a dud for me.
So I’m bored and I’ve been drinking and apparently I haven’t been reporting enough. =/
I’ve been wanting to make a mix but I haven’t been able to get all the putatives and stuff I want. That and I can’t afford to get the last few things I need in unscented so we’ll see how neroli mixes with LP scents. Downside with Androtics and LP, their products are not always in stock. You never know if they will ever be back in stock which is truly unfortunate. Anyhow, I’m going to go over some of the MX’s I’ve used a few times, tested a bit but still haven’t gotten quite a handle on. Not sure if I’ve reported on them or not and a bit not sober to go over and check (a couple glasses of Jameson will do that to you) so here goes:
MX138: Ok, I think I reported on this one. I believe I got this one as a freebie. It’s a very uplifting, happy, carefree mix. I think I described it as IS on steroirds. That’s pretty much what I think it is. IS amped up, although I feel a more carefree attitude to it. If I were to compare IS and this, IS would be happy, pleasant. MX138 would be cheerful, carefree and happy go lucky.
MX172: This was one of the more… difficult mixes to get a handle on. I still don’t really know what this mix does or what it was intended for. It made me fairly laid back. Chilled. Well, most of the time. There were one or two occasions where it made me agitated and I found myself grinding my teeth. I think it may have been a mood amplifier for me.
MX171: Same as MX172 although not as pronounced. It was much more subtle.
MX173: I have no idea wtf this does or is supposed to do. Used about 1/2 a ToGo and I have no clue. For me it was just like wearing nothing.
MX301/302: I know this is Steve’s mix. His “you smell like sex” mix. I found that this didn’t really fit me too well. Perhaps a bit too much for me. Or maybe too little. Either way, it was very hit or very miss. I couldn’t find my optimum dosage but I have some more left. I have a feeling I don’t really wear this well.
P83: By far one of my favorite single molecules out there. I think people have described it as an attractant, somewhat sexual among other things. For me, I guess I’d describe it as interest at this point. I wouldn’t say it would be a replacement for something like -Enone, but it seems to work well in combination for me. It steers it better IMO. Tones down the -Enone, and directs all that rawness in a more efficient manner. Like the difference in aiming a mossberg pistol grip 12 gauge and using the same gun with a stock and longer barrel trying to shoot at clay targets.
MX313: I think this is part of the raw-power package. I think I mentioned something about this before. Scent is something I am not terribly fond of. It also happens to be a scent that I believe many Asians are not fond of which makes it terribly hard to test. It has the same scent as MX353 which got really bad results with Asians for me whereas 292 got great results. I’m thinking scent has a huge factor here. I’ve only experienced positive results with this once and it was only among non-Asians. Even then, I would remain skeptical and take that with a grain of salt. I just don’t think the scent really matches with me too well.
That’s about it. I think I’m going to go pass out. Waiting on P96. Hoping to use a few of the molecules and untested mixes I have lying around since I will be able to get out more. Been stuck in library for the past 3 months studying. Hope everyone is doing well.