Yeah, LS has lightened up some. For example, you can discuss Ammo, A314 or Instant Female Magic openly–I have many times in the past and recently. However their auto censor removes the word “Androtics”! But that’s still a lot of progress for a forum originally conceived as support for LS products.
In fairness, I have been warned by Jasmin not to mentioned certain pheromone wholesalers and designers on the PheroTalk forum (also unmentionable at LS). Although PheroTalk is looser it is still not truly “live and uncensored pheromone talk.” Also, the censor algorithm here is really rough on noobs. Almost anything gets sucked in. And, yes, like LS, this is a forum primarily designed to recruit customers and support their products. It doesn’t belong to us (unlike other forums).
Ultimately if you want free and open discussions, you need a user group sponsored and directed forum, i.e., one unencumbered by commercial interests
pherotalk seemed to be almost wholly uncensored until recently with the spike in new joiners. I had thought the main purpose of the forum was to gather feedback about experimone type products in order to develop better consumer products, although I guess it’s handy for support too…
LS’s forum was extremely stingy with their policy about the discussion of 3rd party products, with the exception that a product gets slammed with negative reviews like phurlure.
Until recently they loosen on the censorship, and I suspect it’s because of the stall of their traffics a while ago. (Like 1-2 new posts per week!)
Still, the forum has no PM functions, very limited avatar size, and no reputation points.
Though despite those, I must say I love both stores. Both services and products alike. Bruce’s service is one of the best on the internet as well as Jasmin & MHarris’. I’d often combine products from both stores as well as other stores.
I’d call that “supporting their products”! Actually much of what goes on in this and the LS forum is more like coffeehouse gab. Lots of idle talk and chatter about trivial matters, e.g., dating and relationship problems, which have little to do with mone use, let alone support or feedback. Not that this is bad. PT would be really boring without some idle chatter about horndoggin’ and seed spillin’! It actually builds excitement and puts a human face for the mone experience.
I did get my 3rd Androtics order today. It only took a little over a week and they tossed in a nice goodie. The 2 prior orders took 4-6 weeks, so big improvement. Androtics is crankin’
Someone on this thread may have sugessed that L-S do not do any inhouse testing om their pheromone products.
It just so happens that i did place an order with them for a pheromone product and i did prompty receive an email reply from their administrator the next day advising me that the product had been removed from the shelves because it had not come up to standard after having been tested and several weeks later i did receive an email once again from the administrator who advised me that a new supplier had replaced the inferior stock.
He also included a list of some of the new effective products that i had the option to reorder.
I have since had communications with customers who have ordered some of the mentioned new stock and they have reported that they are more than happy with the quality of the products.
At one stage months before this, i did return an item i was not happy with after using it for several months and was immediatelly sent another new product which did arrive without me having to pay anyting at all except the postage cost of returning my original product.
SoE is awesome.
I think I posted mostly about that particular product, because of its ability to be consistant with results.
The mens version of SoE made me swoon.
Liked the Edge.
EW was quite the experiment, although after trying MX216, I have to say I get better results with 216 .
I had alot of fun there, comparing results, but the politics and who you agree/disagree with determines the atmosphere. Very clicky.
I call the place Hotel California.
I want nothing to do with LS… but they dont let you go. My posts are still in the archives last I looked.
Lor, SOE made you swoon? Do you think that it ISN’T the best thing to wear ALONE for a guy - when I used to wear it to work (WITHOUT Androstenone or A314) I would make heaps of new friends but found plenty of older people and bosses (including women) treated me like a ‘lightweight’. The general impression I got was that they thought I was mucking around - I would literally have to work doubly hard to impress them with my work (in contrast when wearing (2 drops+ of) A314 I can work like 1/2 as hard as normal and still be seen as ‘competent’ ).
I agree with many of the posters regarding LS quality ‘service’ - delivery is quick and something is almost never out of stock. On the other hand, I don’t really like their most of their products - there has been little improvement/innovation in the products they have over many years. I get the feeling they aren’t that interested in pushing pheromone technology forward-as long as they keep selling, they would be happy if Chikara, SOE and NPA were talked about on their forum for another 10 years. Their forum is quite uninteresting because they are so ‘insecure’ about competing products (and even banned some posters including me because of mentions of competing products).
On the other hand, I do find it sometimes takes a while to get my ordered products from Androtics (but when I do get them often I get really cool freebies-thanks Jasmin ). I just like the fact that Androtics have all these new innovations, molecules and mixes for people to try-that is the type of thing that will pull the technology forward. I mean I think human pheromones were discovered in the 1970s and it took until 2005 for a company to come out with products that actually used consistent sprays of Androstenone (which is so easy to OD on for many users). I mean WTF. That’s why I prefer Androtics by a country mile-they are actually working towards progress.
I don’t have that problem when I wear SOE solo. People tend to take me a little too seriously so the extra friendly makes for better business relationships. However, SOE lacks the horny edge I oft crave, so a dab or two of NPA wakes it right up without destroying the friendly/social aspects.
For me, A314, really has the same problem as SOE–no horny edge. It also wakes up nicely with a few dabs of TE or NPA.
When i arrive at a house party or a casual function where i am not known to anyone except the principle person or one of the directors and i have a mix of few drops Alpha 314 and couple light dabs of Alpha 7 on with a spray of cologne i then start attracting subtle discreet looks from the females after i have been circulating for awhile.
I will then proceed to pick one that i find attractive or interesting and after introducing myself i find that this mix works very well in holding the attention of the girl or woman who most times will take over the conversation which at times seems to be going around in circles as they come under the spell of the mix with a little of my added charm to boot.
As it so often happens especially with young girls who are very eager to return to my abode to check out some of my fragrance creations which i have ready on hand to veiw and ready mixed in the spray bottles with my little name tags and labels applied.
Seeing as i have a good aray of designer fragrances spread out in my phero room also, this creates heaps of interest and the girls tend to hang around as long as they can most times even after dinner or a movie, as i also like to cook as well as mix pheromones and fragrances.
Yea I know what you mean about the lack of horny edge with those two products. I wish I was in your shoes and be able to get away with any NPA at work - it would make things a lot more fun for sure.
Here is some more on the SOE ‘lightweight effect’ that can happen for some people (only when it is NOT buffered by other things, of course, like A314 and/or Androstenone for example). To be fair some of the posts below highlight that one can make use of being ‘nice’ as well and I have included JVK’s response as well to be fair…
SOE – Too Nice? I wonder if some women are turned off with a guy with too much Nol…i.e. too nice, too wimpy, can walk all over him.
maybe i am wrong about it."
SonnyBlack (February 24, 2003):
“ive always wondered about this as well…I think girls see you as such (wimpy, weak, not able to protect them) when you have too much nol on. Ive worn SOE a couple of times and and I kinda noticed such reactions while doing so…or maybe it was just that im used to having naturally high levels of none and when I added nol it sorta freaked me out…”
bjf (February 24, 2003):
"the only time i have ever worn more nol then none i thought a bunch of guys behind me were considering robbing me and a girl basically felt "wht can u do for me, you couldn't take care of me" type-deal. Guys were nice, except for the guys who wanted to rob me
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. I am interested to see how women reacted to other guys with much higher nol to none/rone ratio"
Proteus (February 24, 2003):
"I tend to agree that with SOE you tend to be perceived as too nice - so especially when I hit the clubs if I use SOE I definitely use it with some -none, specifically JB#1.
But sometimes being perceived as " too nice " works great as you can move in on the ladies in kind of a stealth mode. Once I have her talking, which SOE is very good at doing, then I can use my skills to seduce her. If one approaches -nol products from this perspective, you can in many ways be more successful with women than if you use -none products because they are already "comfortable" with you and if your seduction skills are good, then the rest is easy. I think of it this way - -none, when it works well, will have her ready to jump you without too much work, whereas -nol may not induce this reaction, but from a percentage scale you can get to "talk" with a lot more women, and take it from there. So for the less skilled seductionists go with -none, but if you have skills, then I think -nol products are much better for you. Just my two cents."
franki (February 24, 2003):
"…The only problem with nol alone, IMO, is that when you are already a nice guy yourself, and you are only wearing nol, you are missing something. Personally I ALWAYS feel I am missing something when I don't put on the tiniest bit of none.
I really don't believe in the theory that too much nol (on its own) makes one too nice…"
jvkohl (February 25, 2003):
“Some people may be forgetting that -nol has been shown to effect hormone levels (luteinizing hormone:LH, and follicle stimulating hormone) in women. This effect is always beneficial in other mammals; it is the typical response to pheromones from the opposite sex. An increase in LH will be followed by an increase in testosterone, which is very effective with regard to increasing libido, in both men and women. SOE may be too nice, but it also provides a nice push in the right direction: towards increased interest in sex.”
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Futurist (January 7, 2006):
“…Scent of Eros – This has a pheromone formula that gives off social effects, such as chattyness. Wear too much of it and you will seem overly wimpy. A good product, but doesn’t serve as a sexual attractant as it claims to. However, if you are a clint east wood type guy, a biker type, a body builder, etc, then this will likely take away some of the intimidation you produce in women and make you more attractive…”
I’d found L-S’ customer service to be remarkable - absolutely top-notch. And products like Scent Of Eros, Primal, and NPA definitely did work as advertised.
Yes RE Scent of Eros different courses for different horses i say it is good stuff, and an abundance can give a little bit of a wimpy attitude/perception derpending on ones dress, bio-rythms, dynamics and mood at the time of impact, also taking into consideration the personalitys of those whome may be influenced by its sublime properties.
Usually a drop of added concentrated Androstenone however can certainly add to the dynamics of this baby and give a more broad spectrum positive type of sexual result Ie moving one out of the just friends zone.
I have found two of my Smartmones products that i specifically ordered to give me the SOE effects seem to work very well that is my Spaceland and some Androsterone at 7.5 mcg spray size in 30ml.
Just a very small amount of none and 60mcg spaceland with 15mcg rone from these two give me excellent results amoungst my favourite Asian girls.
I have ordered some P74 @ 25mcg per spray so i am going to experiment with some of this for awhile with the above formula that i am already pleased with.
Work as advertised? I can’t even find what kind of effects the products have, as Androtics has… Instant Honesty, Ammo – all have fairly good statements on Intended Use… I can’t find the same for LS..
Obviously you didn’t look more than a few seconds. The link is only on every dad burn page! The Pheromone Library is designed as a resource for LS products and contains an enhanced description, suggested use, dose, mone ingredients, carrier used, etc. The info is concise, accurate and free of BS. For example, read about Scent of Eros:
The phero library is really helpful and I learned alot on there. Its one of my favorite parts of the site. I wish someone would update it a little the womens section is lacking a bit. LS does seem to cater to men products a bit more. You can only click on maybe 2 products in the womens section and get a good discription as to what a product may do for women.
Scent of eros is a good example. The womens version is different but we have to look at the mens link and pretty much guess the rest.
Other then that its a great place to learn alot about mones.
Yes I am interested in how you will go comparing the effects of P74 + Alpha-Androstenol vs Androsterone + Alpha-Androstenol (1:4) (the classic ‘SOE effect’). You should try 50 mcg of P74 if you do try it. I believe the results are quite similar between the two combos.
Love Scent need to get some quality new products in and not rely on the old standbys of NPA, SOE, Chikara, etc. Otherwise, Androtics will just dominate.
). I just like the fact that Androtics have all these new innovations, molecules and mixes for people to try-that is the type of thing that will pull the technology forward. I mean I think human pheromones were discovered in the 1970s and it took until 2005 for a company to come out with products that actually used consistent sprays of Androstenone (which is so easy to OD on for many users). I mean WTF. That’s why I prefer Androtics by a country mile-they are actually working towards progress.
