I was wondering, wouldn’t more MCGs at higher levels cause an OD? I mean as the MCGs go up when ordering the price goes up but wouldn’t too much be a bad thing and would 4000 MCGs be a super OD? I was just wondering because I REALLY wanted to get a higher concentration of P83 at either 25 or 30 mcg and I thought if I were to test let’s say 100 sprays (2500 MCGs) wouldn’t that be an OD?
Yes, too much of a phero causes OD & wont get you the effects you’re after 
The fact that they sell phero’s in those concentrations has nothing to do with OD’s. The P’s & E’s aren’t used like the consumer lines which are “ready to use” in the bottle at appropriate concentrations & ratio’s. The higher concentrations of P’s & E’s aren’t used like the instants, you’d never apply 100 mcg straight none for example.
Advanced users & customers buying for commercial purposes buy at higher concentrations so they can make phero mixes where for obvious reasons (dilution factor) you need high concentration of the individual components
That makes a lot of sense I never thought of it that way. like for example instead of using half of the bottle for a mix, someone could use just a few drops at higher concentrations.
Thanks!
It makes you wonder if theres pheromones out there that you could wear 150-500 ugs of in order to garner optimal effect. Its funny how the main 3-4 mones that guys/gals wear we tend to only be able to wear the least of in comparison to the majority of the putatives. I suppose the big 3 are like adam and even and the rest of the putatives are like descendants of sorts.
There are phero’s that are easily wearable in higher doses It’s not the actual concentration that’s important really when comparing different phero’s, the potency in receptor binding & bioavailability is what determines the efficacy.
Meo-EST is the “happysauce” for women usually when wearing 150mcg or above.
EST needs quite high doses to show effects. Most women need at least 75-100mcg, I usually wear 150 but I’ve worn over 200 with great results.
Thanks for the infor but how do you go about discerning the potency in bioavailability and receptor binding. What about wearing it at 75-100 mcg how does it compare. and I was wondering how much est it takes for you to get a decent response from men? I want to try using est for a lift.
I was a medical researcher before I went into clinical medicine so I have access to various metabolome & chemical data bases For the standard phero user there’s not really a need to know or discern the bioavailability. That’s just needed for scientific research & discriptive purposes etc. As a user all you really need to know is the dose you apply & then observe for effects & note at what dose you are getting your optimum effect. That dose is where you get max bioavailability & efficacy, but without sophisticated lab equipment, assays of your own baseline androgen & enzyme levels you can’t calculate bioavailability or receptor binding.
I start noticing responses from men when I get close to ~100mcg EST, but I get great responses with 150mcg+. At the higher doses women also respond.
Why do you want to try EST? I mean what effects are you hoping to get? You may feel a mood lift but not like the ones you’d expect from eg IS or TAA.
EST is pretty much as feminine as you get, it’s more so than cops in my opinion. Cops can be used for social proofing but EST would give you a soft & feminin vibe, not one that said you’ve just been shagged. EST is produced in high amounts by women whilst pregnant. When women wear EST men respond by being all protective & helpful, they show “nesting” type behaviour…
I’m not saying that TAH & EST are the same, but TAH also has a feminine vibe and there are a few guys who have tried smaller doses of TAH (up to 10-15mcg I think) and the responses they got from women was a good social one… they were that great guy friend that listened when they talked, almost like the gay male mate…but they never got any hits in terms of IOI’s etc. I would imagine EST would give a guy similar effects.
Okay thank you that clears things up for me. I know Realm uses EST in smaller quantities so I was just throwing some ideas out there.