ENFP and where do I find the mone correspondences?
I think the correlation between types and pheromone effects will need to be dug out of the posts. It seems like alot of work but if you need the results, we sure need to get started. But since AD has this site up for their research… they’ve got this done already, but in a real scientific way, not the way you or I would do it while standing around a water cooler.
I figure since AD has this site up for the research, they must do statistical analysis on each and every post. I know every post doesn’t give details in full, but there are probably over 300 different possible variables that go into every situation.
I figure that this master list of data that is parsed from each and every post is probably at the center of AD’s research collection from this site. We probably don’t ever get to see it, but they probably also only us PM’s to clarify ambiguities in their data collection, which is why you never see the clarification questions in the posts, you know getting better answers when we post with bad grammer.
Perhaps they could post some of the numbers for us so we could see the correlations that the MBTI has with pheromones. And which ones are Stastically relevant and which are independant and dependant.
Steve, Jasmine, MHarris, Mickaela, Tisha?
could you post some of this from your collected research?
Not a white paper per se, but throw us some bones?
My feeling too. I know what you mean. I actually tried to dig through the forum at one time because I don’t react to IShine the way most do. I wear it for other people when I wear it; but over 3 sprays and I get emotionally fragile - and don’t really get over it until the mones are looonnng gone. Then, I’m like: Wtf??? I wanted to see if I could find others with similar experiences and if we all had something in common - to see if it could be predicted. I love research; just this forum is so hard to find what I wanted/needed.
I also don’t find myself getting the same reactions that others get, for the same molecules, Instant Line, or MX’s.
However, I do see the effects of these on others, that sometimes correlated with others on the forum. I think it would be great to be able to dial in the mones to cause the desired effects based on the MBTI type you want to effect.
I know that my wife is ESTJ, with a strong S up against the wall. This is a wierd instance, the 100% S types.
While most people when put into a situation where there is an emergency or painted in a corner, they can set aside their preference shown in the MBTI 4 letter type, and use the other side. E can display I type attributes, S can display N type attributes, F can T, and J can P and vice versa. The types show what your preference is, not what you have to do, in cases where you don’t have a choice, and don’t get to choose your preference, you CAN do things you don’t prefer.
Here is the exception that I’ve read about. An absolute S, all questions on the Sensory/iNtuitive axis are answered with a Pro-S response, does not have the N type ability to fall back on. This is very well shown in conversation. The S type will have some things that really become apparent when looking for them:
- S-Type don’t prefer/like analogies. N-Types do. An absolut S-Type will never “GET” abstract analogies. Relating things that have nothing to do with each other will just make an absolute S-Type think that you are crazy and making stuff up, and lose interest quickly. They respond very well to the concrete comparisons. Like “I like apples better than pears.” “I don’t like loud noises.”,“Let’s go to a restaurant.”
S-Types use “CONCRETE WORDS”
SJ - Gaurdians use “SERIAL” conversations.
SP- Artisan types use lots of hand gestures while talking.
I want to find out if there are different strengths that align with MBTI types. Such as the different parts of the brain (Reptilian Brain/Old Brain/New Brain) being able to react to different pheromones based on the MBTI type of the person.
in other words, what if a certain MBTI type favored use of 1 of the 3 brains and as such only certain pheromones would affect him/her, because they produced a response in that portion of the brain.
That’s a puzzle and a a half. First, you’d have to determine the MBTI individuals; then do some extensive testing - given. Of course everyone can do the things they don’t prefer - this often results in conflicted behavior - but most will do what they have to, to survive.
On a side note, I don’t have an easy time dealing with “concrete types” - how do you - on a daily basis?
This forum and the people on it would only constitute a tiny start on that subject - considering how many would fall into any specific type.
Then you’d be looking at: whether or not any individual’s responses was the exception - what about bio chem? What if food intolerances (something I was looking at) plays a part in the effectiveness of any given mone? Blood type? What if these factors need to be determined first - to further specify MBTI types and responses?
Since abstract thought is commonly thought to be a ‘higher function’; maybe it’s not a matter of preference, but a matter of wiring? Then neurology plays a factor. Which is aspect is the largest bias or determining factor? You may be looking at so many sub-categories, (like accurate blood typing) as to be non-viable. What about nature vs nurture? The how and where someone is raised may have even more impact than all of the rest, as being the conditioned responses to survive in a given environment. Domestic environs vs the outside world. The suburb being conducive to safety or a violent area? A city with a cultural balance that’s easy to develop interest in the abstract or a city in which just staying alive consumes the individuals thinking time? These could be factors in the process of learning ‘what methods are useful to my survival’. Remembering when young, we often need to survive on our own; outside the influence sphere of those that are there to raise and protect us.
Is the “S” type response to the world at large their nature, or the result of learning how to cope with their immediate role models and the response of the surrounding culture to them?
I’m also an ISTJ, i thought i was the only one here at first lol
I am very into astrology, and what i found interesting is the analysis they gave for ISTJ is very very similar to the characteristic traits of water signs (Scorpios, cancers, pisces)
Im wondering of any more of us water signs got the same result
I am SO NOT a water sign. Not even close.
lol okay cool, i was just curious
So your another ISTJ? I guess that makes 3 of us so far.
If you trawled through all the posts (
); I’m sure that you’d find more of us. I know it’s highly complimentary, and all; but most hardly ever touch on their potential, or even just their strengths. I know I felt a little smug reading that - who wouldn’t? I’m an Airhead, btw.
me too!
I love MBTI.
I’m an ESTP, “promoter without peer”
well, lets say yes and no to all those questions.
check out this site that has some of Sheldon’s work.
Tracking, Vol. 2, Part III, Chapter 8
He did correlations between physical charactoristics of people and their types.
He used I-E, S-U (U is N), and T-F in his dichotomy charts.
It’s a bummer with the weight thing. Turns out that S is like a fatty curse. But the good thing is that the curse is more pronounced in men than women, women had much smaller variances than men. And I’m a man, and not an S type, so maybe I don’t need to worry about fattening food anymore.
But, the MBTI is based on results of over 20 million, Sheldon’s work only used like 50,000. So maybe it isn’t the biggest population base for statistical analysis, but the results were observations.
I’m reading into the MBTI so much more lately. I got some more books besides Keirsey’s Please Understand Me II. Which is awesome. You will understand all the stupid people in the world a little better after reading it, and think of them as not being as stupid as you once thought they were.
Some things are a matter of wiring. I think the S-N is what you are born with.
The other 3 preferences are learned in stages. One as a child, one as a puberty teen, and the last as an adolescent/adult. So you aren’t born with all 4 letters, some are grown into, and some may be thrust upon you, but in the end it turns out that they aren’t on you, it is you, and it can’t change, well maybe it can, but it doesn’t.
S to the concrete fatties y’all. I’m a big N.
I think there is some real neat numbers for this forum.
In the world at large, the ratio of S:N Types is around 70%S:30%N.
The other axis E:I, F:T, J 
are all around 50%:50%.
But to the contrary, the results from this forum show
9.5 S:40.5 N
a 19%S:81%N split
(some people like Carrie, European5, and LucidDreamer were split between 2 types, that’s where the .5’s come from)
That is far from normal, showing that N types are either far more likely to post here. But what that means??? Are N types more receptive to mones, or are N types just looking to try new things? What could it mean?
And do certain molecules work on certain types better than others?
I’m not an N but I love trying new things absolutely..
Realised I didn’t actually post my type, I’m an ISTP…
My faves tend to be androstenone like Ammo, IG, together with beta androstenol - IH etc..
It could also be that these types are more likely to share what there personality type is, or have an interest in the subject vs the other types having less interest.
At the same time too the website could act as a filter making it so that the N personality is more likely to participate on a forum where as the other personality types would have other interests.
I’m an ENTP but sometimes I revert into an introvert INTJ like in a phase..
Always found this stuff interesting, I have a more qualified test from university as opposed to a web test.
The test is quite simple sometimes, there are ultimately only 4 questions. E/I, N/S, F/T, J/P. Once you have those 4, You can stop testing yourself. Once you have those answers the fun is in learning what it means and using it.
I’ve wondered about people (like myself, I sit on the F/T fence, Sometimes identifying with the ENTP-INVENTOR (Rational) as much as my main type ENFP-CHAMPION (Idealist)) who are sitting on the fence, does that make us seem moody, like when a situation arises and from experience we know that our preferred skill set doesn’t work well, we dig deep and use our non-preferred skill set to power thru situations where we have learned we have to use our non-prefered way.
I wonder if people who are right on the line can seem sort of Bi-Polar if they are continuously flipping back and forth between types. Like EXTJ where N/S is close to 0. Flipping between ESTJ-SUPERVISOR (GAURDIAN) & ENTJ-FIELDMARSHAL (RATIONAL)
SP-ARTISAN
ESTP-PROMOTER
ISTP-CRAFTER
ESFP-PERFORMER
ISFP-COMPOSER
SJ-GAURDIAN
ESTJ-SUPERVISOR
ESFJ-PROVIDER
ISTJ-INSPECTOR
ISFJ-PROTECTOR
NF-IDEALIST
ENFJ-TEACHER
INFJ-COUNSELOR
ENFP-CHAMPION
INFP-HEALER
NT-RATIONAL
ENTJ-FIELDMARSHAL
INTJ-MASTERMIND
ENTP-INVENTOR
INTP-ARCHITECT
Some letters are Biggies. The S/N is the biggest I think. There is a large wall between N types and S types for communication. N types using abstract communication and S types using “Concrete” communication. (see Keirsey, Please Understand Me II) after that, for relationship things you can mix it up. Kiersey said that the most solid relationships are N-N or S-S because they can talk the same language, seems important. But he also said that relationships are better with an I-E, one person being an I, the other an E.
Any relationship can work, and if you understand these things about personality, you can really start to understand people. The same sentence can mean 2 very different things to people of different personality types. Just as different situations/environments can be verrrrrry different levels of comfort.
If anyone would like to know where to get the .pdf version of Keirsey, Please Understand Me II send me a PM. I always buy them hard copy at Amazon and give them away as gifts to people. It is an AWESOME, MUST READ BOOK, that should be up there with the Holy Bible, another book that too many people don’t read.
Here is something to help with other people, from the book The Art of Speed Reading People", by Paul D. Tieger and Barbara Barron-Tieger.
These were the lists in the book, another highly rated book by me.
see a table attached as a .pdf
These will help you identify OTHER PEOPLE, based on knowing YOUR MBTI Yersonality Type
Extraverts may see Introverts as:
• secretive; too private
• impersonal and unfriendly
• withholding and self-absorbed
• slow and uncooperative
• socially awkward
Introverts may see Extraverts as:
• too talkative; apt to shoot from the lip
• intrusive and pushy
• superficial and disingenuous
• hyperactive and overwhelming
• rude and bossy
Sensors may see iNtuitives as:
• flighty and erratic
• unrealistic
• impractical
• having their heads in the clouds
• too complicated and theoretical
iNtuitives may see Sensors as:
• unimaginative and uncreative
• boring; resistant to new things
• stodgy: sticks-in-the-mud
• lacking vision
• simplistic
Thinkers may see Feelers as:
• illogical
• overemotional
• weak
• hysterical
• irrational
Feelers may see Thinkers as:
• cold
• insensitive
• uncaring
• inhumane
• hard-hearted
Judgers may see Perceivers as:
• lazy and/or unproductive
• chronically late; apt to miss important deadlines
• not serious enough
• irresponsible and unreliable
• procrastinators; incapable of making decisions
Perceivers may see Judgers as:
• rigid and unyielding
• inflexible and stubborn
• controlling
• apt to regard things as too black and white
• apt to make decisions too quickly
foxybx,
have you found any mones that have self effects for you? Good and/or Bad?
I’m asking because and ISTJ is very close to an ESTJ, and my wife is an ESTJ.
I’ve found that she reacts very differently to pheromones based on hormone levels, go figure huh. But the differences in hormones I’ve seen are based on:
- Her specific baseline hormones (everyone is a little biologically different)
and then, - Is she using hormone birth control (pills/IUD)
- Time of month (menstrual cycle)
- Pregnancy (go figure, but big change in reactions when she was pregnant last year.)
And non-hormone factors
5. Medication. Adderall-Active/Sexy, Vyvanse-Active/Sexy, Wellbutrin-Hornier, SleepAid-Libido Killer.
6. Food. If she’s hungry she’s grumpy, If she’s just eaten she is happier.
So based on how many of these factors are in play, I get different results using the same mones.
Thanks a lot, this is very useful and especially teaching others.