In about four hours I’ll be attending a rather large beer tasting event in the downtown area of my town. There should be a rather large number of drunk women 
as well as the local bud girls and equivalent T&A oriented sponsors 
. I’ll be sporting 3 sprays of MX301 and looking to see how it compares to my experiences with Ammo as a standalone. Wish me luck.
oh nice! look forward to hearing from this
Close proximity as much as you can
The event was a beer tasting event featuring various micro and craft brewed beers helf at the local minor league ballpark. The booths were lined up along the concession area walkway. Upon entrance you’re given a cup which you can get unlimited free refills from any and every brewer at the event, so the women were good and drunk pretty quick.
I opened three sets yesterday. Set one was a very large group of girls that were apparently a bachelorette party. I got some interesting IOI’s from the Bride and the Maid of Honor (who was already married herself) but I ain’t that guy, so I shifted my focus to the other bridesmaids. All were friendly enough but two were showing fairly strong IOI’s, Both blond and about 23 or so. At one point a band was playing so the two targets went and started hoochie dancing on top of one of the dugouts…first one in a very “look at me” way then the other asked me to dance and we went up to join her. So I got a nice preselection display by having two young women grinding on me in front of a small baseball statdium full of people. Got them to accompany me in line for another refill, arms around their shoulders to display preselection, number closed one (the other disappeared as soon as I went for the number close on her friend) We made arrangements for meeting up later in the week so the bachelorette party could continue.
Second set was a mixed 3 set. Guy and two girls. Befriended the guy right away and got him talking about his favorite beers and how often he’s at the park for actual games. I was curious to see how three shots of 301 at 5mg none per shot would effect males. Guy really seemed like we were fast friends. Not as approval seeking as guys have been when I wear A314 or MX297 but just like we were quick buds.
Figured out which one was his GF and then started working the other. Had some good flirting but honestly this occurrence didn’t feel much different than when I’ve opened sets without mones at all. Girl was probably close to 30, I went for the number close which she rejected based on not feeling “comfortable giving out her number” but she asked me for mine instead. I won’t hold my breath, that’s usually something women do to be nice and get you to forget about getting their number so I’m not optimistic about her calling.
3rd set was awesome. There was a flipping amazon there that I’d been eyeballing for a couple of hours. About 6 feet tall in her bare feet and was wearing 4 inch heels. Short shorts with some very athletic and firm legs and breasts as large as my head. I’d say she was about a 7.5 face with a 9 body…just on a much larger scale. Poor thing was NOT having a good time. I could see guys turning their heads everywhere she went but no approaches. Not surprising, a lot of men are intimidated by a woman taller than they are. And some men enjoy ogling large breasts but can’t seem to find the sack to approach a woman that has them. Opened her girlfriends first, allowing my mones to take effect if they were going to. Peripheral vision confirmed her looking me up and down. When I did turn my attention to her she lit up like a little kid. She was WAY too enthusiastic, I didn’t have the heart to neg hard. But I did go for heavy compliance after a while. She went to refill my beer for me twice and paid for my lunch. Extracted to some seats in front of the dugout and got close for some comfort building. In spite of being a little insecure about her body because of her hight I managed to get her to stand on the dugout and do a dance for me again. Until security came and told us dancing wasn’t allowed up there and I should know better (security told me and the first girls we weren’t allowed on the dugout as well)
Drug her by her arm to a fairly private spot and had a little makeout session.
Got a number close as well and will be seeing her today where I’ll be checking to see if a shot of MX347 added to the 3 sprays of 301 will help with an F close.
To be honest between her compliance level, and how she giggled when I drug her around I think a good dominant signal like A314 or MX347 will lock her in. Woman is so big that men are scared of her, probably dealt with that her whole life as such she was incredibly responsive to being dominated. I wonder if the 347 will get the same “fallout” effect that A314 has been reported to create?
See now you got me worried about that fallout thing lol, I used A314 last night for the first time socially and had this crazy crazy effect on a beer goggle 9, but more likely an 8 blonde, my mates said she was very tasty though, I did a rather long and excited post about it which isnt up/approved yet. It was rather scary this doesnt happen normally moment(specially first time testing), in retrospect she was a bit toooo compliant, will be curious to see if she is a bit clingy/stalkerish, thank god I live 70 miles away haha.
Needless to say you can dump me in the hardcore convert camp.
That’s also my experience, it works better than MX302 in this way.
@ RADMAN513: teach me
Rad, Do you have A314 or just 347? If you’re meeting here relatively soon after application, 1 spray of 347 should give you the rough effect of 2 drops oil based
Currently out of regular A314, I figured it’s about the equivalent of two drops given the faster diffusion.
Well we met and hung out with some of my friends. Very amusing experience. She’s a jaw dropper, like I said she’s not gorgeous face wise but far from unattractive. She’s just a big girl and not in the “fat” sense. I’m talking playboy/pornstar proportions…just scaled way up to fit a 6 foot amazonian frame. Took her around to meet the group. Sported the same 3 sprays of 301 with a single of 347. Again given how intimidating she can be for some men she’s surprisingly very submissive in her nature once a man establishes a dominant frame. The 347 wasn’t needed for a leader of men vibe. Most of my guys are on the same page so there was a lot of tribal leader type displays for her benefit. Within an hour I was getting googoo eyes from her for the rest of the night. Went back to my place had a few drinks etc and she’s asleep as I type this. I’ll post as much as I can for now but with any luck I’ll be called away soon.
Fallout is just something I’ve read about but have yet to experience. If and when I find one that I’d like to keep for the long haul I may try excusing myself after sex to apply a drop on the right side of my chest so that my application point is right next to her face when I come back to bed and lay with her. But again, not something I want to induce just to see if I can, I don’t want fallout if I’m not prepared to deal with it and as of this moment I’m not.
MX301 with A314 is great! A good androsterone product really enhances the overall effect of it the mix, you will like it alot I wouldn’t use more than 1 drop personally though, I like it as more of a background aspect.
What’s your typical combo for the 301?
Also if you’ve tried A314, AMMO, IS mix before, how has that differed?
So far, I’ve found this mix to work perfectly as a stand alone. I find it brings more IOI’s than AMMO by a mile. I couldn’t get much of a response to AMMO, but this one is great. I hope this mix never leaves.
I may be wrong or reading too much into various posters enthusiasm but it seems like a very heavy feeling that 301 is a better Ammo than Ammo. And 297 seems more popular for status than A314 (probably because it’s both more obvious and less intimidating)
I wouldn’t agree so much on that. Versatility that A314 and AMMO produce are top notch. Although I am partial to MX297 as a standalone, can’t really rely on it enough to keep a pretty stable phero signature in situations where you normally interact with people day in and day out. I think its more just blatant hits, I believe strongly that picking out social interactions through knowing behaviors are way better than getting quick hits with mones here and there. It’ll be better off and you won’t be using it as a crutch but more of a good support shoe. It’s great to keep testing new test mixes, but for the most part if you want something along those lines, use what is out there, find the basic responses for you, learn how they really work, then venture out to ExperiMone land, where you can start really working on making great things happen. If that happens you can tailor it to YOUR personality (not speaking to you directly rad) and not the other way around.
Radman, that’s some interesting results there. I’m curious to see how things turn out with her. If I may ask, since you use a lot of PUA lingo, have you noticed significant improvement in your ability to attract/pull with the mones? Also, since i’m a n00b, what school of pickup works best with mones (Mystery, RJ’s NLP, RSD/Natural game, etc.) or a combination of all pickup methods? Thanks
Honestly almost any school of pickup would/should work with most mones. Some mones will enhance certain aspects more than others..ie IO is great for opening sets and keeping women in a talkative state while going through attraction. Rone based products like A314 and MX297 lend a credibility to most of your DHV’s and make flipping value/attraction switches easier.
IH is better for the comfort stage and can be really helpful in the seduction stage as well. Now of course you can’t get up and excuse yourself every couple of minutes to change up your sig so you want to go with a product or mix that works with all three stages.
Now if somebody is new to both pheromones AND pickup, I’d suggest STARTING with the Mystery Method (including variants like Magic Bullets and the Style Life Challenge). The info in Mystery/Savoy/Style’s school of game on microcalibration and reading IOI’s is invaluable for being able to detect if and how your mones are working. I’ve seen guys in the field and in day to day life that are lonely and depressed and totally oblivious to (what seems to me to be) very blatant signs of interest/attraction from women. Then they don’t act and mone about how no women are into them. Same with the mones, if you don’t know what you’re looking for, odds are you won’t find it.
The right combo of mones will probably add 10% to my game, maybe slightly more. By that I’m talking both about the results (success rate) and the process (amount of effort required)
Note that I’m not saying the Mystery Method is the best system, just imo the best starting point…pickup 101 if you will. And the most helpful for somebody wanting to learn about pheromones and their effectiveness.
The ability to spot and interpret facial expressions, changes in voice inflection and body language is an essential skillset if you really want to test pheromones and recognize which product of mix is right for you. From that point, you can progress as you like, I think Vin Dicarlo’s stuff is very good and easy to incorporate into the M3 model without changing it up too much. Then RSD, David D, Carlos Xuma…haven’t read too much from Ross so I can’t really comment on him too much.
I tend to stay away from ammo. Just doesn’t work all that well for me, and the scent isn’t agreeable to many people in my area. Don’t know why I like it.
My typical mix
Either 1 drop A314 or 1 Spray IG
20-40Mcggs P86
1-2 Sprays MX 301
Probably going to start adding P83 in there. It just makes sense.
Sometimes I’ll just go 3 sprays of 301 solo. Lately I prefer to keep the mixes simple.
I’m going to try doing 1 weekend of AMMO and 1 weekend of 301. Compare results and see what happens. I’ll be in Vegas soon so I wanna make sure these mixes are good to go.
I feel MX301 has led to many more hits than AMMO by a mile- in social settings. On a side note, wore AMMO today at work- thought a little lighter mood would be better today- ended up just having short temper- wondering if its the -none. Anyway, P51Mustang has a great point that I didn’t think about. A314 is a better mone for the workplace for me, where subtlety is better for me than blatant in your face type of hits. It’s just too much of a distraction to have hits all the time as MX297 may produce.