Well- I found out about this site this past weekend, and after spending a handful of hours reading the forums, my curiosity got the best of me and I decided to take the plunge and put in my first order
Thanks to the wonderful folks at Androtics for the speedy service and free gift (a To-Go Ammo) - I spent nearly $300 () because I was so intrigued by the possibilities of these products and from the feedback on these forums. So I went ahead and purchased:
(so basically the entire consumer line ) - Unfortunately the Instant Jerk and CTTM were out of stock so I’ll have to wait until my next order to get those. I’m excited to start testing and experimenting with various mixes to see how they go!
I’ve been reading these forums a lot over the past few days and doing a lot of research, but the wealth of information (often times contradicting info from different people’s perspectives) can be a bit overwhelming. I have a bunch of questions that hopefully some of you ‘veterans’ can help me with (either I couldn’t find the answers, or just got confused while reading people’s opinions, lol).
I’m Asian, 25, male, and have been reading people’s experiences regarding how Asians produce less anone than others, but far more -rone than others as well. Some say that this means Asians should try to use more anone products to compensate for this - so stuff like AMMO and TUTH. But on the flip side, Asian girls generally prefer higher -rone and are repelled by lower anone, from what I read on here - correct? So would the proper usage be (for an Asian guy): higher anone products on caucasian girls, and higher -rone products on Asian girls?
Or can someone just recommend product mixes that work on both races (just to save me any further confusion? haha) - Any mixes/products I should avoid?
I understand a general important rule here is to experiment using one product at a time (before mixing) - to figure out the “sweet spot” in terms of ideal dosage and area of body for spraying. Are there certain areas that work best for certain types of products? I’ve tried to find some sort of consensus through my readings on here but to no avail (seems to be all over the map). And how exactly do we know how many sprays/dabs work best? Will it really be that blatantly obvious when we experiment between days where we put more on, vs days where we put less on?
OD - I hear some people say that it’s ‘good’ to OD and to not be afraid to OD, while others have differing (negative) experiences - with people blocking them out, or achieving the opposite effect that they wanted to. Which is the right answer? lol
Does sweat cause the pheromone products to essentially ‘be useless’? I only ask because I was curious as to whether these would work at the gym, but people here seem to suggest that sweating would only negate any benefits the products have since it washes it all away. I play a lot of beach volleyball so I guess the pheromones wouldn’t do a whole lot on the sand under the sun huh? And if this ‘sweating’ theory holds true for the gym, wouldn’t it also hold true for the clubs as well? We all know how sweaty it can be on the dance floor, but tons of people report hits because of the pheromones while at the club. Any takers?
How long should I look to reapply the products before they start wearing off? I’ve read that their lasting power ranges from 3-4 hours or so?
When people say “1x to the wrists” or “1x to sides of neck” do they mean 1x to each wrist/side of neck, making it 2x total? (this one always confused me)
Does spraying onto clothes work as effectively as spraying onto the body? I know the body chemistry/heat obviously enhances/changes the smell’s aroma, but what about clothes?
I think that’s about all I had for now (sorry for the essay, haha) I made a big investment into spending quite a bit of money onto these products, and I’ve done a lot of research on these forums but it just gets so overwhelming with all of the information out there. So any help would be greatly appreciated Looking forward to becoming a regular on this fantastic community! (the skeptic in me says “let’s hope these things work!”)
I’ve tested most of the consumer line and MX’s as well.
My BT is 0, Physically fit.
I know by physiology I produce more -none than the average “asian”. Technically pacific islander, but whatever.
I’ll answer the questions based on your numbers.
1, 2) For me 2-3 sprays with any -none products have worked well. Recently cause of the heat I’ve been experiencing a higher diffusion rate than when it was cooler out. I seem to get the best effects when its warmer out. Since I don’t go for a specific type, and pheromones enhance only your natural game, I dont really wear it for targeting specific ethnicities.
You need to know what it’s like to OD, its just as you progress in your usage, it will be vital to know so when you’re formulating combos/mixes. You know your personal OD point.
Unless you’re sweating profusely, the pheromones would work. I believe it was tisha who said that for that amount to negate the effects, you would look like a slob anyway. Moreover, (if you showered prior to any of these activities) the natural pheromones would be there as well. Again, you would have to test it out. I carry a to-go bottle of tuth on me so that I know when to repply, if I know i’ll be out for a while, i’ll bring a bottle of whatever I used with me, or spray into an empty to go bottle I have.
You’re right, warmer weather, 3-4 hours.
1x means 1 spray and they rub their wrists together. The number are the total sprays. Some people might term it differently but that’s how I do it. If you’re confused, just ask.
As per clothes, I’m not too sure, never really did that. I found that pheromones work the best with your own body chemistry and its better applied that way. Plus you don’t know how it will diffuse just incase you have to reapply later.
Good luck and keep testing, there are so many things you can learn/accomplish with the help of pheromones.
Quick word of advice, IS IO IH are all socials. IO and IH are -nols with IH being 70% alpha, and IO 70% beta, and the remainder the other.
Women need to feel comfortable with you, regardless of how sexual you make them feel or bring yourself out to be, so don’t forget about the power of these socials.
I think I did the exact same thing when I stumbled upon androtics (while reading up on the mones from oceans 12 or 13). My dad flipped a shitt saying you can’t trust this “scam” but I was like theres no f-ing way all these people dedicate their time to writing long-ass posts about something that doesn’t work. So reading # 1) It seems like you made a little mistake because asian girls are more sensitive to a HIGHER none signature not a low one. Also, you can’t really choose who your mones will affect so finding your sweet spot is the best way to go about it. Like you could tailor a mix to one ethnic group but for everyday apps you should definitely use a mix that gets you the most amount of hits.
" how exactly do we know how many sprays/dabs work best? Will it really be that blatantly obvious when we experiment between days where we put more on, vs days where we put less on?"
A famous quote from pherotalk “MORE mones does NOT equal MORE hits” so the misconception that wearing more will get you blatantly obvious is not true. Actually, for socials theres no real limit but I feel it comes to a point where adding to much becomes counter-productive. So basically, finding the best application point and your own dosage will work best for you. If you’ll read the noobie tricks they’ll show you how to begin testing your mixes 1 at a time starting with 1 spray and so on. Socials last about 4 hours-ish so I’d say try 1 spray in the morning, and then when they wear off you can re-apply and do 2 sprays. So that way, you can compare the mornings mix with the afternoon one (also take into account that there may be some residue) so if you like the “2 spray mix” of the afternoon, you could add like 2 and a 1/2 the next day and go from there.
“Are there certain areas that work best for certain types of products?”
If you like self-effects, applying close to your nose is a good idea. For example, alot of people but a dab of A314 right on their upper lip to get self effects along with on their wrists for diffusion around other people. the thing with wrists, is that you can “aim” them at people so they get a more intense whif of your pherocloud. the back of the arms are a good spot for socials because even though they don’t have pulse-spots, they diffuse around you reallly really well. Things like IFM (A1 in particular) might affect you when your purpose is to affect other people (women in particular) so alot of people put it on the back of their necks. Same with CTTM or Honesty. You don’t want to be the one spilling the beans on something or constantly blabbering so consider applying those away from your nose as well.
When I’m in the gym and I’m wearing Jerk (since thats all I have left) I get real sweaty but I also get great pumps. Same with A314. As long as you’re not sweating buckets, the pheros stay on you I just try not to wipe my “sweat” aka pheros off of where I applied. Plus, I find that as your body heat is elevated diffusion is increased. Some of my best hits came from leaving reapplying right after leaving the weightroom.
Spraying on clothes make pheros last longer, but the diffusion is not as great. So it’s really your choice.. Hoppe this helped
I would also suggest that you go through the testing phase of all the spray products first before starting A314, because the effects are subtle and might be missed if you aren’t at least a little experienced in knowing what to look for. Maybe go through the feeling out phase with instant gentleman before trying a314 since both products are based on Rone and have some similarities.
As for it being good to OD…yes and no. It’s good to OD once with each product, this can give you an idea of what your sig is doing under normal circumstances but taken to an extreme. EX a small amount of TuTH can send a nice sexual vibe in the right situations, an ideal dose can be a VERY powerful attractant, an OD can give off a sleazy vibe that makes women uncomfortable. The thing to consider is don’t go an OD in an environment you have to go to regularly. Doing a none based OD at work or school can add up to more than one bad day.
Thanks for the responses everyone, I really appreciate it! They all helped a lot.
I have one question with regards to “testing phase” and finding your sweet spot - the link jesse provided (Pheromone F A Qs) recommended testing one single product for 7 days each with varying doses to find the sweet spot. The problem for me, is right now I’m currently unemployed and don’t encounter a lot of social situations (the only place I really frequent on a consistent basis is I go to the public library maybe 3-4 days a week to study for my LSAT). It’s hard getting together with friends regularly because I live pretty far from everyone, and it’s hard ‘testing’ because I’m not really in a situation (like work or school) that I go to on a consistent, daily basis.
Wouldn’t it be difficult to ‘gauge’ my sweet spot for each product given my situation? Anyone have any recommendations on how I can work around this?
And any other advice would be greatly appreciated they’ve all been really helpful!
First I like Steves method for finding the sweet spot.
1 spray a day for three days, then 2 days off, then 2 sprays a day for 3 days etc until somthin bad happens.
As for testing. If you don’t have a regular spot to go to daily that CAN make it tough. I would suggest making a list of places you’d like to test at. Stores where there might be some attractive women working etc. find places in close proximity so you don’t waste your mones alone in the car. Shopping malls are great, especially perfume counters at department stores. Spray on some mones and go shopping, even if just window shopping, ask clerks a lot of questions and make sure you get to interact with them for several minutes to let the mones take effect. Going grocery shopping, getting a haircut, stopping by the bank etc. just list all the errands you would normally have to run during a typical week and try to condense them together.
I will say during and actual job hunt is NOT the time to be experimental, one or two sprays each of IG and IH period to get hired lol.
Another Q - When it comes to OD’ing, does it only impact certain products (i.e. TUTH or AMMO)? Namely the more ‘sexual’ types? I presume the OD can result in almost a repellant to girls who may sense that you’re coming on too strong.
But does this also apply to the social mones? (i.e. IO, IS, IH) can you OD on those as well, and what kind of effect do they have on people when you OD? (I just can’t imagine IS making others ‘too happy’ or making yourself come across as “too happy” to be a bad thing :-P)
None based products can cause angry reactions, sometimes they can cause ghosting where you’ll feel like the invisible man from the way people avoid you. It can still produce hits bot those hits will be REAL rare but very extreme. I once OD’d on TuTH recently and spent most of the day with an 8 foot personal space zone that people tried to stay out of, save for one woman that started subconsiously fondling her own breast while talking to me.
Rone can be overly intimidating in high doses.
instant openness OD can do a couple of things, it can seem so social that it beta’s you and gives the impression of being weak, approval seeking and somebody that tries real hard to make people like them. or it can created a very silly ditzy sort of mood where people almost act high.
I’ve never experienced an OD with IH though I assume it’s probably similar to an OD in IO, likewise I’ve never experienced an OD with Instant Shine.
- I spent nearly $300 (
) because I was so intrigued by the possibilities of these products and from the feedback on these forums. So I went ahead and purchased:
) - Unfortunately the Instant Jerk and CTTM were out of stock so I’ll have to wait until my next order to get those. I’m excited to start testing and experimenting with various mixes to see how they go!