I am a gay guy that is currently a little overwhelmed and confused. I have probably done this the wrong way around, but I have already ordered a week ago, with my order arriving today in Melbourne Australia. I have just sprayed on a spray of ‘Mystery Boy’ and ‘Shine’ to get things moving…slight euphoric feeling to be gin with. I ordered a full bottle of ‘Mystery Boy’ and the pack of the small ‘ToGo’ samples which I thought contained 8 different ones, but it seems they have thrown in an extra one called P102…so 9 in total ‘ToGo’s’ and one larger bottle of ‘Mystery boy’. Looks like I won’t be able to use the $25 voucher as I have already ordered, but I do have a few questions as i had no idea that this would be so full-on in relation to information and products.
Let me start by saying that I thought that these products would at least list the ingredients on the packaging? How do you know exactly what Mones are used for each product?
I have read on these threads that some Mones can make yourself and others aggressive. can you please advise which products have this effect so I can avoid if possible?
The part that really confuses me as a gay guy is - should I be wearing Women’s Mones to attract Men or should I be Men’s Mones that other gay men would be attracted to?
Other companies that sell Mones list their ingredients that give you sort of idea which Mones are contained eg Androstenone, Androstenol, Androsterone, Androstadienone, Copulins, Estratetraenol, Oxytocin etc. One website even goes as far to state ‘The only pheromone that gay men should really stay away from is androsterone, as this is a very ?non-gay? male pheromone.’ If this is in fact true, how do I know which products I have already purchased contain ‘Androsterone’ to possibly avoid - and should I even be avoiding this particular Mone?
So as you can see, I am more than currently confused and would appreciate any feedback from those more experienced, in a world of over-information and what seems to be little transparency in the contained ingredients of the products I have purchased.
You can use the GC anytime - Its not limited to your initial order. You can also earn more points by sticking around and helping new users - TBH, we need more gay guys to help-out by sharing their experience as well.
Reading the store pages for each product incl the tech info nearer the bottom, will give you a good idea of the primary components and overall phero content for each product. Not all the secondary/steering components are listed, for commercial reasons - Rip-off merchants are rife in the phero world. P’s and MX’s are not normally listed (although some may be released later) as they are experimental products that are best tested blind.
The main mone associated with aggression is Androstenone and you do need some care with that around younger guys. This is where moderation/steering and your personality when wearing them is important.
At its simplest, gay guys are attracted to the same sort of signature that straight women go-for, so you won’t go far wrong by adopting a substantially male mix. There are a few individual mone/steering issues that will also shape things. Some mones are also very unisex in application and can help either sex become more comfortable with feeling sexual around you and reduce issues of confrontation/aggression etc.
Whichever site said to avoid Androsterone is talking absolute codswallop - Gay guys do go-on status mixes just as effectively as straight women. Esp the youthful/dashing/smart/sociable vibe of IG and the more mature “fatherly” vibe of A314-based mixes (are you spotting a few gay stereotypes there already?)
One of the biggest misrepresentations with pheros is the assumption that gay guys all go-on soft and largely feminine signatures. There will be some of course but IME gay men like sexual mones just as much as women and with far less of the complicating emotional/comfort issues that plague straight mixes. Some of the mixes that have produced a lot of interest from gay men in me include: MX297/TUTH, A314/IH/TUTH, TUTH/P96, A314/IH/P74 (guy crush from hell!) Ammo/IO/IH, and the non-AD product Edge. You just need to establish the dose ranges of your primary products that suit your situation/personality/body chemistry across your range of social/sexual interactions.
I should add that one advantage of AD’s not listing phero content on the bottles is that the products containing molecules that are banned in Australia (Androsterone is one) tend to slip under the radar at customs - I have seen far fewer instances of AD products being seized and customers getting hassle compared to other phero firms who do list contents.
Some have even had to go as far as introducing Aus-only formulas, without sometimes critical molecules in order to get by this daft restriction!
Thanks for taking the time to reply Mobocaster - I really appreciate it!
‘The main mone associated with aggression is Androstenone and you do need some care with that around younger guys. This is where moderation/steering and your personality when wearing them is important.’
Are you able to elaborate more on which ones contain ‘Androstenone’? I understand and can appreciate the need for secrecy for competitive reasons, but would still like to know exactly what I am taking; which should be possible without disclosing the relevant % of each type of mone.
‘Reading the store pages for each product incl the tech info nearer the bottom, will give you a good idea of the primary components and overall phero content for each product.’
Using ‘Mystery Boy’ as an example, I can’t find any ‘tech info’ you refer to?
For now, I am happy to have a play around with different combinations, but am a little nervous when I am not confident with exactly what I am playing around with. As an example, 5 out of the nine ‘ToGo’ mones from the Ultimate Pack all disclose the same single ingredient (Instant Openness, Instant Shine, Instant Gentleman, Turn up the Heat and Instant Honesty) - which is SD38B. How can they all offer different outcomes if they all have exactly the same list of ingredients? From a business perspective, unfortunately from this end, it looks like a slick marketing initiative…to the uninitiated. I just read your ‘Customs’ theory in your second post; and while this theory may be credible, surely you would be able to confirm for sure if this is the case?
I also noticed that one of your employees ‘Jasmin’ sports a Co-Avatar with Richard Branson. Is Mr Branson involved in this business?
As far as my experiences so far, I have been feeling really nice all day. 1 spray of Mystery Boy & Shine this morning and 2 sprays of Openness early this evening. So far no people interaction, but there will be plenty of that over the coming weeks…for now I want to see how it make ME feel first, before I unleash myself on the world.
My original plan was to see how mones interact with Lucid dreaming as I am an avid LD (Lucid Dreaming) Enthusiast…stay tuned for that one! But I have a feeling that I will also be having a lot of fun in ‘Reality’ with these mones as well! The most noticeable effect so far is that nothing really seems to faze me today, with my eyes feeling a little sleepy all day, but my mind and body never feeling tired at all. I can’t wait to try the mones on a night out with dance floor lights/lasers, good company and a few drinks!
And yes, I agree that unfortunately Australia can be that annoying cousin when it comes to Customs. Many things that are legal everywhere in the world, are currently categorised as illegal here…like Medical Cannabis (even CBD that contains no THC that is curing Cancer, Epilepsy and Diabetes etc). It’s mostly a great country but other aspects are embarrassing to say the least!
I spend a fair bit of time on a Share-Trading forum and am currently not working, so I may have a bit of extra time to report back with any updates if interested. Thanks again for putting aside the time to respond…it’s not only good business but it also demonstrates good character in a world where we are all becoming time-poor
The Androstenone products are Ammo, TUTH and IJ - With Ammo being the most moderated/balanced, least potentially problematic product, TUTH the most determinedly sexual and IJ, the highest dose/most aggressive None product. There is also a tiny amount in A314 - As steering, so unlikely to greatly affect the balance of any normal application.
Mystery Boy would be the one with no tech info! Most of the rest do have it though. Broadly, MB is based on the standard Ammo formula with extra steering - have a search for the various Mystery Boy alternative/replacement threads - quite a lot of info was let-slip when it was off sale.
SD38B is the alcohol solvent - common to almost every cologne, perfume and spray phero out there!
Its no theory about the customs issues. AD might be my main phero source but I do use other firms/phero sites and there has been a lot going-on about the change to a hard-line approach by Aus Customs recently. Its all down to their interpretation of the Steroid laws, so quite meaningless in any phero-related context as the doses are orders of magnitude smaller and there is very little chance of someone doing a viable, non-lethal extraction. Quite a few of the competition have also become rather coy about their ingredients because of it.
I don’t work for AD, I’m just another member here! - BrianF and Mickaelia are the main staffers on here now, Jasmin very occasionally but she is no longer as involved in the public side of things.
You can also earn more points by sticking around and helping new users - TBH, we need more gay guys to help-out by sharing their experience as well.
