New User looking for advise on Theories (lots of questions)

[darkvalor]

General Background
I have been reading some of the forums and come up with some ideas I wanted to see if anyone had imput on. I got the starter pack that comes with a small amount of each product and thanks to the customer service gentleman who told me about it. I have been debating how to mix and match them and some questions that people might advise me on. Links to specific posts that cover any of these would be appreciated. I have read a lot of the general info but its a lot to absorb and I am forgetful so sorry if I ask something covered somewhere obvious.

General info. I am a large naturally alpha male mentality 29 year old weight trainer. So I assume I have to worry more about ODing or using products that soften the more aggressive products. I also have no trouble getting dates and have a girlfriend I like so am much more wary about ODing and am looking at these products as a relationship aid instead of pick up aid.

General Questions
First because I have never used these before I am going to start with one spray in all mixes. I have read about ODing with some of them but are their any like shine or honesty where that is not a problem?

I read one of the research articles that mentioned women may not be receptive to some at first but will acclimate over time and start being affected. This raises the thought if you use a pheromone and your girlfriend becomes acclimated to it and was not before do you run the risk of needing to keep using it or making her feel less interested than she was at the start?

Do people recommend spending a day with just one or two sprays of each formula by themselves to see the affects?

I have seen when reading threads mentions of products that are gone and some of the formulas are very expensive because of lack of production. Does anyone know which formula’s have been perfected so we can expect them to be around and reasonably priced going forward? I am worried I will find one I really like, for instance I think I would really like Honesty but it seems like it may be too costly for while. I read the golden 13 but am unsure which formulas use them exclusively.

I read that honesty and openness use the same 2 ingredients just with different dosages. If they don’t risk OD any thoughts on using higher dosages of Openness to try to get the same effect of honest while we wait for the honesty to come back down in price?

Is instant jerk just a bad idea in an actual relationship?

Not to get into to personal a context but has anyone ever tried using any of the main formulas for “mood lighting” during sex. Like gentlemen for sweet or romantic sex, Openness or honesty for being adventurous and exploring new things in bed, or jerk for rough or BDSM type encounters?

Any formulas where one spray is just usually not enough?

Thoughts on Gentlemen and jerk as those seem to be the ones I am most unsure of when to use? And since they are seem very opposite thoughts on using them at the same time?

Combo Ideas
Situation Combo theories. I have tried to make use of all the products in the pack even though it sounds like I could just use A13 every day (if I get good results I think I may just have to buy that one), and maybe ammo on every date, I would run out to fast. So I tried to find the best way to optimize each product without running out of a key one too fast.
Also I have gotten honesty and openness confused in the past so if I got them backwards here please let me know.

Lunch or any public event where conversation and basic attraction is the goal over seduction.
A13, Ammo, Gentlemen, Honesty. I figure the Ammo makes you attractive. While the A13 and Gentlemen makes you pleasantly interesting and the Honesty improves the quality of conversation.

Romantic situations. This one seems obvious
A13, Ammo, Heat, and Openness. The A13, ammo and heat at 1 spray each does not look like it risks OD and an obvious combo. My theory is Openness makes a desire to be forthright with thought or emotion so might amplify the lust. Any opinions on adding honesty instead to open up emotionally or combing openness and honesty together? Also Many people seem to recommend shine in most combos but if you are alone together would it help?

Meeting friends and family.
A13 and gentlemen for appearing impressive. Ammo for your girlfriend. And Openness to get people talking but leaving out honesty because you don’t want to embarrassing conversations at first meets? Maybe shine to temper the Ammo and make you more impressive?

Important conversations
Gentlemen, Openness and honesty seem the best combo if you want to be genuine and get real responses on important questions.

Now for a specific situation. I do a lot of ball room dancing which gives me extended time with women very close to me in rapid succession. So I was thinking A13, shine, Gentlemen and openness to seem pleasant and appealing while starting conversations with strangers without anything mixed in that would cause uncomfortable situations like heat or jerk.

Finally a little jealousy can improve a woman’s attention. So only in situations where I am dancing or meeting with women I have gotten to know through the above combination to prevent scaring them off. Using Ammo, Jerk and shine to try and cause my girl to have a little jealous spark when she sees me with other women. Maybe adding Honesty or openness to get her more likely to want to act on that?

One spray of each accept jerk just for an intense date?

Working in sales. A13 and Openness.

Combo’s people would suggest or be interested in me testing
As a final note I do a lot of dance and I am good at it. This gives me an interesting situation where I regularly go into a room with a large group of single women ages ranging anywhere from 18-60 and can get any of them to spend 3-10 minutes very close to me in rapid succession. With the added fact there are slow dances like tango and fast ones like swing I can even control whether I will be hot and sweaty or cool and dry as that seems to affect the effectiveness of some products. So I can easily test any combination on a large sample size. Is there any non crazy combo’s anyone has ever wanted to test but just not been able to let me know and I will see if I can do a run for you. Though if its not one of the main formulas I have on hand or a specific experimental single pheromone I will have to wait till I have some spare cash or you want to donate some

If you made it this far thank you for reading all that I look forward to thoughts answers and advise.

[mobocaster]

@darkvalor

General Questions
First because I have never used these before I am going to start with one spray in all mixes. I have read about ODing with some of them but are their any like shine or honesty where that is not a problem?

I read one of the research articles that mentioned women may not be receptive to some at first but will acclimate over time and start being affected. This raises the thought if you use a pheromone and your girlfriend becomes acclimated to it and was not before do you run the risk of needing to keep using it or making her feel less interested than she was at the start?

Do people recommend spending a day with just one or two sprays of each formula by themselves to see the affects?

I have seen when reading threads mentions of products that are gone and some of the formulas are very expensive because of lack of production. Does anyone know which formula’s have been perfected so we can expect them to be around and reasonably priced going forward? I am worried I will find one I really like, for instance I think I would really like Honesty but it seems like it may be too costly for while. I read the golden 13 but am unsure which formulas use them exclusively.

I read that honesty and openness use the same 2 ingredients just with different dosages. If they don’t risk OD any thoughts on using higher dosages of Openness to try to get the same effect of honest while we wait for the honesty to come back down in price?

Is instant jerk just a bad idea in an actual relationship?

Not to get into to personal a context but has anyone ever tried using any of the main formulas for “mood lighting” during sex. Like gentlemen for sweet or romantic sex, Openness or honesty for being adventurous and exploring new things in bed, or jerk for rough or BDSM type encounters?

Any formulas where one spray is just usually not enough?

Thoughts on Gentlemen and jerk as those seem to be the ones I am most unsure of when to use? And since they are seem very opposite thoughts on using them at the same time?

Combo Ideas
Situation Combo theories. I have tried to make use of all the products in the pack even though it sounds like I could just use A13 every day (if I get good results I think I may just have to buy that one), and maybe ammo on every date, I would run out to fast. So I tried to find the best way to optimize each product without running out of a key one too fast.
Also I have gotten honesty and openness confused in the past so if I got them backwards here please let me know.

Lunch or any public event where conversation and basic attraction is the goal over seduction.
A13, Ammo, Gentlemen, Honesty. I figure the Ammo makes you attractive. While the A13 and Gentlemen makes you pleasantly interesting and the Honesty improves the quality of conversation.

Romantic situations. This one seems obvious
A13, Ammo, Heat, and Openness. The A13, ammo and heat at 1 spray each does not look like it risks OD and an obvious combo. My theory is Openness makes a desire to be forthright with thought or emotion so might amplify the lust. Any opinions on adding honesty instead to open up emotionally or combing openness and honesty together? Also Many people seem to recommend shine in most combos but if you are alone together would it help?

Meeting friends and family.
A13 and gentlemen for appearing impressive. Ammo for your girlfriend. And Openness to get people talking but leaving out honesty because you don’t want to embarrassing conversations at first meets? Maybe shine to temper the Ammo and make you more impressive?

Important conversations
Gentlemen, Openness and honesty seem the best combo if you want to be genuine and get real responses on important questions.

Now for a specific situation. I do a lot of ball room dancing which gives me extended time with women very close to me in rapid succession. So I was thinking A13, shine, Gentlemen and openness to seem pleasant and appealing while starting conversations with strangers without anything mixed in that would cause uncomfortable situations like heat or jerk.

Finally a little jealousy can improve a woman’s attention. So only in situations where I am dancing or meeting with women I have gotten to know through the above combination to prevent scaring them off. Using Ammo, Jerk and shine to try and cause my girl to have a little jealous spark when she sees me with other women. Maybe adding Honesty or openness to get her more likely to want to act on that?

One spray of each accept jerk just for an intense date?

Working in sales. A13 and Openness.

TBH, the best way to start with pheros is to test each one on its own to see how it works for you and in your range of social situations. It seems to me that you are bordering on over-thinking things and that can be very counterproductive/wasteful when starting out. Starting from square one with single pheros would be far better - And yes, dancing is a brilliant environment for testing. Before my foot trouble started, I got some of my most impressive results dancing, from both socials and sexuals - oh and I’m merely an adequate dancer at best.

OD is mainly an issue with none-based pheros - Ammo, TUTH, IJ - Although IJ is more or less a managed OD product in its own category. Socials are much less of a problem and you can use them more freely. However very high doses of IS/IO/IH can leave you feeling a bit giddy or drained after a while.

You can become innured to the self effects of some pheros but you are the one getting the highest dose IS is probably the one that builds tolerance quickest. Subjects are different because they are exposed to a lower and less constant dose. Also pheros do not replace or overcome basic personality, so you still have to back-up any initial impressions with substance. Stopping/changing mones as you go along won’t change that.

Yes - Testing your own self effects first is an excellent way to proceed.

No, not really - Anyone who has been here any time has seen favourite formulas come/go or get changed. So if you find one you really like, lay-in a small stockpile to see you through any dry spell. Some MXs have been released but others not - Beyond basic ingredients, AD do need to protect their formulae, so we can’t expect them to tell us what is in each mix or MX.

IO is mainly alphanol whilst IH is mainly betanol - Using high doses of one will not replicate the other. Using equal doses together can be fun though!

IJ - depends on the relationship. Remember that IJ is not entirely a sexual product, more an attempt to communicate a particular type of personality. IME, some women love this and respond very positively but many more are repelled and some guys react very badly indeed - strong/overt none is fickle at best and IJ is about the most polarised AD product I’ve tried yet - half the time I get superb/jawdropping results, the other half I have to deal with grief/fights etc! More solid relationship qualities might be better conveyed by other status pheros.

Yes, certain pheros do have very useful properties during sex and this applies to socials as well as sexuals.

There has been a lot of debate on what to use alongside IJ and you do need to bear in mind it has 5x the none of any other standard phero - So you would need pretty high doses to tame or steer it - which often wrecks its primary effects anyway and increases the chance of (say) an IS “crash”

Combos - I presume by A13 you mean A314?

A314/IG? I’ve noticed quite a few people using this one recently - thats a lot of rone and all I can see the IG doing is moderating the A314. Why not use less A314 in the first place, or IG alone for a lighter smoother/more social effect?

Ammo goes reasonably well with A314 and IH goes superbly - I’ve found that the basis of many a good mix. Generally use less A314 to start with if you are using Ammo.

A314/Ammo/TUTH - I’d tend to go high on the A314 and just use a small amount of TUTH. That steers A314 in a very sexual direction and is very effective with women in their 30s-up IH/IS can help here but this is one mix best kept simple and to the point.

Don’t mix too many pheros at once to begin with - You can end-up sending an over complex and confusing signal. Simplicity as in two or three products max is often far better at getting the message over.

A314 and IO in a mix together? I find that they comprehensively wreck each other and even AD advises IO as the product to reduce the effects of A314 - check the store page. If you are tempted to use these two together, try using less A314 overall. IH/IS is much better alongside A314 and still loosens tongues very well. Also, IO/IH together is the official replacement for CTTM2 and whilst that works well, it is also a lot of nols and can over moderate none to the point of ineffectiveness.

Ammo and TUTH together - yes, you are pushing 30, so you can make use of more overt mixes but you do need to find your sweet spot first then substitute carefully - Too high a none proportion can still work against you in some situations.

[tisha23]

Hi there

I read one of the research articles that mentioned women may not be receptive to some at first but will acclimate over time and start being affected. This raises the thought if you use a pheromone and your girlfriend becomes acclimated to it and was not before do you run the risk of needing to keep using it or making her feel less interested than she was at the start?

No not really. Your natural identifying signature will remain your just enhancing it with signalers.

If attraction was based solely on pheromone communication you probably would need to use it forever but its not. Pheromone wont change how a person feels about you on those other levels of attraction. So suppose a person dislikes you. With mone on they may be nicer but it wont make them suddenly start liking you. Behavior changes, not core values and beliefs.

Do people recommend spending a day with just one or two sprays of each formula by themselves to see the affects?

I suggest you spend a few days with just one mix at different dosages and in different environments as well as trying different application points. Keep a journal to track this or at least jot it down so you know your best application points and dose range for each mix.

I have seen when reading threads mentions of products that are gone and some of the formulas are very expensive because of lack of production. Does anyone know which formula’s have been perfected so we can expect them to be around and reasonably priced going forward? I am worried I will find one I really like, for instance I think I would really like Honesty but it seems like it may be too costly for while. I read the golden 13 but am unsure which formulas use them exclusively.

There is no way to predict how long a product will be around. Once you know mones you can replicate to some extent though so I wouldn’t worry to much. The consumer products are more long term then the advanced ones though. So products with names like Ammo Tuth etc etc stick around. MX’s and putatives are in testing and come and go.

I read that honesty and openness use the same 2 ingredients just with different dosages. If they don’t risk OD any thoughts on using higher dosages of Openness to try to get the same effect of honest while we wait for the honesty to come back down in price?

IO has 2 pheromones in it. IH has 3. They are ratio based but IO which is anol predominate will not bring out the same effect as IH which is bnol predominate. Its the bnol and the third un-named molecule that adds the deepness to IH. If you use high doses of IO you go closer to the product Spaceland.

Is instant jerk just a bad idea in an actual relationship?

IJ especially now without the added copulins is just a high dose of anone. Its raw aggressive and pushy. It has no depth so I think for a long term relationship it could be a bad ideal. Of course its going to depend on some on the relationship and whats its based on.

Not to get into to personal a context but has anyone ever tried using any of the main formulas for “mood lighting” during sex. Like gentlemen for sweet or romantic sex, Openness or honesty for being adventurous and exploring new things in bed, or jerk for rough or BDSM type encounters?

Yes you can use mones to set the mood during sex.

Any formulas where one spray is just usually not enough?

Most of them unless your really young and in your teen years. Just watch the anone containing mixes closer.

Thoughts on Gentlemen and jerk as those seem to be the ones I am most unsure of when to use? And since they are seem very opposite thoughts on using them at the same time?

IJ gives a pushy womanizer player vibe. Use it in clubs when picking people up and trying to give a wild boy vibe. In my opinion its most effective for one nighters and lose slutty women. That’s just my opinion for years research and testing though. I think TUTH is far superior.

IG is arone based and less aggressive then A314. Its the more peaceful mature strong alpha male. Always good for use in my opinion.

As far as good combos its going to depend on what works with your natural chemistry so testing is important. You seem to have the gist of it though although you combos overlap to much in some areas. Go more simple with mixes. Its not as effective to layer lots of premade mixes as it is with single molecule mones. 2 to 3 tops is best.

So for lunch instead of using A314, ammo, and IG pick one as your base. All three have arone in different ratios and your changing the vibe of each when you overlap like that. So depending on the vibe you want do

A314/IH for respected deep alpha leader.

Ammo/IH for a cool fun interesting vibe.

IG/IH for a mature focused trusting connected vibe. ( I like this one)

IJ wont cause jealousy unless she has a tendency to be jealous. More then likely it will just piss her off and see you as not good long term material. P83 and ammo for sparking some jealousy.

Important convos I would leave off the IO.

A314 and IG together is overkill. Pick one as your base and work around it with putatives and socials.

Remember because this is important. More is not better with mones. Keep it simple when working with premade mixes.

Tisha