Hi,I’m a 45 year old female living in Indianapolis and I live for fragrances. I’m new to this forum but not new to pheromones. I’ve been inerested in them for a long time, but I’ve never quite seemed to get the result I want from them. I remember once I went on this pheromone kick. I got every pheromone product I could find, no matter how pricey, including one that had no scent at all and was supposed to be the pheromones of a “young girl just coming out of the shower”. I was new in town then and had some time on my hands before I had to find a job so I decided to do some experimenting. I’m not one much for the club or bar scene but I did get out a lot wearing my layered pheromone concoction. I also added every oil that was known to have magickal properties of attraction as well as those scents that have been scientifcally shown to increase male libido like the fragrance of cinnamon bunns, pumpkin pie and vanilla. I’m not sure what the end result smelled like to everyone else but it smelled good to me. The only thing I noticed is when I was at a department store or a mall, little kids would follow me around to the point that I was starting to feel like the female Pied Piper. One day in the grocery store this little 6 or 7 year old boy jumped up, pointed at me and yelled out, “You’re absolutely beautiful!” His poor mother was mortified and so was I. I mean, really, would it have been too much to ask for him to be at least 20 years older? I wanted to be irresistible, not Barney the purple dinosaur.Right now, I am giving pheromones another try. I haven’t noticed anything special when wearing them and maybe I’m not sure what I’m supposed to be looking for. I recently got one that was very highly rated on this forum and I had to put on so much fragrance to cover the smell of it that I don’t see how I could possibly wear it outside the house, I can’t bear the smell of it myself. Trust me, I’ll be looking for some ideas on how to better wear this one. I am more than aware of the magical properties of scent. To this day I remember working at a college. I was in a deep conversation with a professor and I smelled this incredible cologne. Immediately, I lost all ability to speak. I turned around to face this new sensation and there was a young male student waiting to speak with me. I could not manage a solitary coherent word. I was totally dumbfounded. I felt I was in a dream-like state of instant infatuation. This has happened a couple of times before in my life due to scent and it is the sensation I want to project to others. I also remember being in a dollar store waiting in line behind a man who apparently had been sweating quite a bit. The muskiness of his armpits was overpowering, but incredibly intoxicating. I felt an amazing surge of sexual heat, my cheeks flushed red and I literally became weak in the knees. By the time he had paid for his purchases I was breathless and audibly panting. I am so glad the check-out clerk was moving extra slowly so he had time to get away before I could leave the store. In my present state, I just wouldn’t have been responsible for what I might do.I never knew this forum existed and I am excited about all the wonderful tidbits of information and experience I may find here. I’ll be reading through everyone’s experiences carefully. This is such a wonderful idea. I think pheromones hold promise but the proper type, concentration and use of them is both an art and a science. I want to learn all I can of both. There are fragrances I will always remember, the smell of which immediately transport me to a different place and time. I am determined to work with pheromones to create my own signature scent, so that whenever someone smells it they will instantly think of me. I want the pheromones to make sure that thought is always an enticing and a memorable one.So, hello, and thank you for the opportunity to partake of this exciting experience. Until,Loyalangel
Welcome to Pherotalk 
You said you have tried some products off here that smelled terrible? Can you tell us which product was that?
Try ISHINE. Very light product that works for everyone and puts them in a good mood. The OD factor is non-existent too.
Also, you might want to look into buying Instant Sexiness A or B. A is more alpha then B, so choose whatever suits you and your personality.
Hope that helped
Hi loyalangel, welcome to Pherotalk!
We’re excited to have you join us here on the forum, and I hope that you will find the products that will project the vibe you are looking for! I’m assuming that you are referring to Essence of Woman - the stinky one? If you go do a search on the Women’s forum, you will find some good suggestions by other users - the most popular are Pink Sugar and vanilla oil, I think! Please do share your experiences with us once you get your hands on some of the products, and good luck! I hope to see you around.
I am referring to EOW. Whew! I don’t see how anyone can find it alluring. I was trying to get away from myself. I am going to try the Pink Sugar, for sure. Nothing else seemed to cover it and I went through at least a dozen designer colognes.
Thanks for the suggestions and thanks for welcoming me! I do indeed feel welcomed!
Thanks for the welcome. Yes, I am referring to EOW. On me is smelled really sour, like mildew. I couldn’t really find anything to cover it up, including Opium which is prety strong. After about 12 different parfums I was able to get some relief from it but I can’t possibly leave the house positively reeking of fragrance. This is, after all, the midwest. I am liable to be shot. I am certainly going to give the Pink Sugar a try, that was suggested to me and that I read more about on this forum. If it can cover the smell of EOW up, I’m all for it!I look forward to learning so much here and once again, thank you for the warm welcome!
Hi loyalangel
Welcome to pheromotalk
Pheromone are a little different then scents that evoke memory. Although scents can evoke emotion like the scent of grandmas apple pie that is more by association. Pheromones are molecules that travel through the olfactory system to the brain triggering certain neurotransmitters in the brain and evoking a emotion. People respond to the emotion they are feeling on a subconscious level. Pheromones can be carried in the scent of crap and still evoke this emotion. (not that they are LOL) It has little to do with the actual scent
ROFL Smells like buttcheese doesn’t it ? Sometime I wonder myself how anyone could compliment me on my scent or anything else when wearing it but they do.
There is a trick to applying it. Of course a good cover scent is a given. Pink sugar if you like sweet foody scents is out of this world. It has a power all its own to make men’s eyes roll back in there heads and cause attraction. You apply your EOW then wait 10 to 15 gag worthy minutes for dry down then you cover it with your scent. This helps prevent bleed through of the buttcheese scent.
Since you into scents a lot I am sure you know sometimes even when covered certain scents seem to stick in your nose palette. You may need to sniff some coffee grounds to get a true indication that your covered well enough to go out confidently. Keep in mind though that quite a few women here who have used mones for years including myself have gone out with EOW and no cover and people still say “Hey you smell good what are you wearing” Its hilarious really.
I suggest you start with the basics. One of the Instant sexiness products and Ishine. IH is also a great one. If you have questions just ask.
Pheromones are really fun and useful for so much more then just attraction. I think your gonna love it here. I look forward to chatting with you.
Tisha
Hi Tisha,Thanks for the tips. I am definitely going to get right on the Pink Sugar. If it can cover the smell of EOW I’m all for it and then some. And, of course, you’re right, mones and scents that evoke memory are two different things. My mad scientist brain, however, insists on believing there must be a way to combine the two. I guess it’s just the alchemist in me.I have a couple of questions. One, how do I go about getting my $25 certificate? And, two, have you ever mixed mones with a lotion before? Do you recommend it? Ok, that’s three questions, but the idea of mixing some mones with a favorite lotion of mine keeps nagging at me.I really appreciate your taking the time out to reply to my noob post. I really feel welcomed here and I’m ready to absorb every bit of information I can get.loyalangel
Hi again! I know I’m not awesome enough to be Tisha, but I thought I could try answering some of your questions.
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You gotta wait for the lovely Mick to come around - it usually takes a few days at the least, but hey, it’s worth it, right? She’ll give you her welcome and let you know if you got it, I’m pretty certain that you qualify
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I’ve seen threads regarding mixing with lotion - I’m going to order EOW soonish, and I’ve already bought some lotion specifically with the purpose of spiking them with cops in mind.
Hmm, if I can find some of the threads, I’ll be back to edit this post, but try searching the Women’s forum, some of the older threads are super helpful. -
I know that some members will put the lotion on their hand, add the desired amount of eow, mix it up a bit and apply - you get slower diffusion but this way, you can spread the dose over a larger surface area and control how much you spike the lotion. The method I’m keen on trying is mixing the eow right into the tub. You gotta let it ‘cure’ for a few days, I think, but lotion is supposed to be great at masking the stink. Lotion with shea butter/vanilla would probably be effective!
I hope this helps a little!
Thank you, Spinach. This helps a lot! I love the lotion information, now I can get in my “lab” and start experimenting. I am wondering about the Instant Sexiness A or B. I see all they have in stock right now is A, so I guess that settles the question of which one to buy. I am an Alpha personalilty, but I really would like to come across as less so. Do you have any experience with Instant Sexiness B? I like your name because I really love spinach, and I’ve never even known a guy named Popeye. It’s just one of nature’s unfortunately highly underrated but positively magnificent foods. Until,loyalangel
Aww, no problem. 
Hmm, A has been described as the alpha, sexy ‘Angelina Jolie’ vibe while B is the flirty submissive ‘Marilyn Monroe’ vibe, so you’d probably like B better - but try both if you can, cause it’s good to know if you can switch between the two! I have a To Go of both, but I haven’t used them yet, I’m waiting until school starts again (sigh! 
Still a few weeks to go! ) but reading the journals and older threads, if you have time, will hopefully help you get a good feel for them. I’ve been going through the 2yrs+ older threads, so if something comes up that I think you might like to read, I’ll PM you.
Thanks, Spinach. I want to try them both, but I guess I’ll start with the one that is available first. I wonder what would happen if one was to wear both at the same time? Would they cancel each other out? I’d like to project both facets of my personality. But I am so new at this, I want to just learn all I can and experiment all I can. Your answer really helped me understand both versions better.loyalangel
I wore EOW to work today. I didn’t use a drop of it, I just kind of rubbed the empty dropper on my pulse points. I gave it about thirty minutes to dry down, nauseous and gagging every step of the way. I don’t know if it was the smell or something else about EOW, but it really was a test of endurance to sit through that dry down. I don’t have Pink Sugar yet so I tried a bottle of Mark’s (Avon) Sassy. It is a fragrance I really liked when it came out, but stopped wearing it last year. It covered the EOW really well and I was able to layer Britney Spears Curious In Control (one of my faves) and CoCo Chanel on top of it. After that I didn’t smell the sour smell all day. I also applied fragrance products with mones to my armpits, but not the EOW, though. I’ve read that the French prefer the pheromones of the armpits to deodorant so I thought I would give it a go. I’m thinking about trying the EOW there, but I’ll wait to the weekend so if it’s a bad idea, I won’t have to sit through it all day at work. I can’t say that I noticed anything different at work today. The guys who always flirt with me, flirt with me still, although I did notice one of them taking really deep sniffs when he was around me. I’m going to try Victoria Secret’s Rapture as a cover as well until I get the Pink Sugar. I have lots of fragrances so I haven’t tried them all, but I know which ones can’t cover EOW. I’ll keep you abreast of the ones that do. I also put a few drops in a bottle of sandalwood lotion that I have. At first the EOW wasn’t noticeable but it became noticeable throughout the day. I would just apply a different lotion to my hands throughout the day to mask the sourness and that worked really well. loyalangel
Well, I know that A is heavy in TAL while B is heavy in TAH. So if you wore both, in a way they could cancel each other out, but ladies have done that and still have gotten results. I haven’t really looked into wearing both much, though.
Thanks, Spinach. I’ve been surfing the forum and it seems like there are so many things I want to try. I can see how a girl could easily go broke with mones, but I know I won’t be satisfied until I try a lot of them. I just wish more of them were in stock. Oh well, I will try what is available. You know, this could even make going to work fun, just to see what effects mones have on my coworkers. I am so glad I found this site. I have wasted a lot of money on mones that just didn’t seem to do much. Now I’m like a kid in a candy store. The forum members seem really confident in the efficacy of Androtics products and that is a huge plus for me. Also, all the info here is incredible and there are such friendly people here willing to share experienes and advice. Now I don’t have to go at this blind anymore, I can actually have a plan based on the documentation of others.loyalangel
Stuck in the house thanks to the nasty weather. Nothing to do but experiment with EOW and read the journals of the other posters here. Woohoo! Snow Day! Wondering how to make paragraphs on this thing so everything doesn’t run altogether. Any help on that would be DEEPLY appreciated. Tried covering my EOW with Liz Claiborne’s Spark and layering with Elizabeth Taylor’s Passion and Chanel’s Christalle. Kinda loving myself right now. I smell very sensual and can’t smell the EOW at all. Applied EOW to my armpits and after a while couldn’t smell an offending odor at all. I am going to experiment more with that for sure. I’ve noticed that older fragrances have more covering power than today’s lighter fruitier ones. Still experimenting, though, I have a lot of them to go through. Getting really big smiles and conversation from delivery men coming to my door even though it’s a really, really crappy day. “Excuse me sir, is it the mone I’m wearing or are you just really happy to see me?” I must admit I am just fascinated by all this. I’m like a kid in a candy store. Still waiting for my coupon so I can try out Instant Sexiness and Instant Shine. Can’t wait to see what those added products will add to people’s reactions.Thanks bunches to everyone who is sharing information with me. I love the advice I’m getting and reading the posts and journals. Until,loyalangel
Welcome to Pherotalk Loyalangel!
I am sure I kept you waiting long enough but I know my team very well and they are really good at handling these situations.
Not everything you will use you will get the handle of the first time you use it sometimes it takes a bit of practice.
My boyfriend is very good at taking the smell of pheromone no matter how hard I cover them and I do have a good bit of sweet and expensive smells.
We were going through a rough patch and I wanted to mix cops and some P83 to spice things up as he felt I was growing distant and being not so affectionate.
I put 3 drops of the cops in my lotion and two drops of P83 in my hair gel and he never knew I used mones that day. The evening worked out even better than I expected but since that was the only time and it was on impulse, I am not sure if it was the mones.
So yes i have tried it and I think silly kitty have as well.
I hope to see you around the female section soon.
Your gc was issued!
Thanks, Mickaelia! Today is like Christmas and New Years and Valentine’s Day all rolled into one. I got my coupon! Thanks so much for starting me on my adventure into the world of Androtics. I know my foray into mones will be challenging, but I’ve got so much information here to help me on my way I know there will be fewer challenges than there will be more opportunities. I am so excited, I can’t wipe the big happy smile of my face!loyalangel
hi I just want to chime in with my 2 cents on EoW and pink sugar. I ordered it on line after reading how much everyone liked it but I absolutly hate it. I have tried the bubblegum cops but to me it doesn’t smell like bubblegum at all. It does mask the smell of EoW but the other day it was literally making me nauseous:confused:. I had to use a babywipe to try and get rid of the smell while i was out, i carry them for when i have my grandson, however my daughter said she loved the smell and couldn’t smell the cops. lol. I think it is just personal preference on smells. I had 4 to go bottles of instant sexiness a so i spiked 1 with half a dropper of EoW and love the smell, it seems to cover nicely when it dries. I also love it without the cops too. I also put i full dropper in 4ml of armani code perfume and also love it.
I never get the musty smell from it just the rotten grape fruit smell, lol.
I want to try it in lotion as well but am allergic to shea butter so am having a hard time finding one to use. ah well.
Hi Angel!
I’m not Tisha either but I’m here, lol, so take it for what it’s worth!
Instant Sexiness A (TAL) and B (TAH) can be worn together. They don’t cancel each other out or they wouldn’t be used together in past mixes like MX135. It’s more of a balance thing. Say, like me, you’re an alphababe…Instant Sexiness A is my personality naturally, so np being congruent with it. So you’d think that would be the one for me. You’d be right, it suits me but only to a point. For me, because I’m already bent that way, it can be too much of a good thing. I can scare people, lol! So, I make sure to use it judiciously. It might not work this way for everyone, but I associate TAL to Androstenone for women. Another gal may be alpha as well but can wear more IS/A than I can because she’s effected in a more positive way. And other ladies who are less alpha may benefit from the confidence boost, sassyness, provided by IS/A.
Instant Sexiness B is softer, more playful, though still confident. I’m a TAH girl primarily, it does me good to take the edge off my, um, assertiveness, lol. Though a few times when I’ve TAH’d out I’ve gotten a little pulled under by it. Meaning that it can make you feel vulnerable/emotional. This can be due to the circumstances, your mood, the company you’re keeping/their reactions to you, the dosage, what other molecules you wore with it…lots of variables here if ya get me. Girl, you’re gonna have fun!
Let’s go further…there’s the reaction of your target audience please take a bow, my dear…you might find that you like the self effects of one better than the other…but your pesky target responds better to the other Instant Sexy! So, that’s when you can combine them to get the best effect…for example… if IS/B makes you feel a little ditsy but your man responds well to it…spray it to the back of your head…and a shot or two of IS/A right up front to your neck/chest. That way you can huff the IS/A and be less effected by the IS/B while it still works it’s magic on your guy.
As always, no matter what works for me, your mileage will vary. Every one is different and there are too many variables for a one size fits all sure shot recipe.
EoW is a bugger, lol. The stuff you’ve got is the newest batch and is much less stinky. It used to smell a lot worse believe it or not! As Tisha pointed out, dry down is of the utmost importance…maybe I should say living through dry down…you have to live through it to get to the good part!
The lotion trick is a good one as long as the lotion is strongly scented…same with mixing EoW into perfumes…pick a strong one…and remember no matter what you’re spiking with EoW…it blooms…and will smell stronger after sitting for a few days. Pink Sugar is an old standby and favorite for covering EoW and to use for mixing in EoW as well. It works great and most men/people go crazy for it. Though I’m not one of them, lol. Sweet and fruity scents are good covers as long as they’re heavy enough.
I don’t, however, recommend mixing IS/A or B into your perfumes. That would dilute the molecules too much. It doesn’t work the same way EoW does. Same with adding pheromones to body lotion. It dilutes the pheromones and inhibits diffusion too much. For optimal effect your best bet is to apply your body lotion first (with or w/o EoW), allow it to absorb, next spray the pheromones and then the perfume on top to cover the whole she-bang. Rather high mcgs of molecules are required when adding them to cologne/perfume in order to compensate for the heavy dilution. It’s something you might be interested in when you get a better handle on how this all works. Though I have to say I prefer layering molecules to compositing them as it gives me more options/flexibility. There are oil based pheromones available out there if you’re interested in trying some. (Google is your friend!)
I agree with you about the older perfumes being able to cover EoW effectively. I’ve found several that can. Scents that are practically considered “old lady” like Opium, Fendi, Chanel No.5, Shalimar. Although I prefer to think of them as classics and they really do the job. Fendi will cover a rotting corpse, really…seriously, lol. Royal Secret is another one, covers anything. One night I covered a cacophony of smells that woulda knocked out Oscar de La Hoya with that one. And, yes, I also love Armani Code! The thing about EoW is you know what it smells like so you’re self conscious/hyper aware. You might think you stink but others don’t perceive it that way. There have been occasions when I think I might be smellin’ a little ripe but no one has ever told me I stink. Thank you, Jesus. As far as where to apply it, I do the underarm thing with that and mones as well. There are concerns about Androstenol converting to Androstenone but I don’t perspire a lot so I don’t really worry about it. Though if I was a guy going to the gym, I’d leave all Androstenone products at home. As it is there’s enough of that naturally flyin’ around the gym to blow up the entire western hemisphere!
I have to say even though I have a ton of fragrances, and several older favorite ones that I adore and still wear, over the last decade I’ve gravitated more towards boutique vendors unique scents and now shop there almost exclusively. I’ve kinda lost interest in the newer designer stuff 'cause I find most just don’t live up to the hype. I also don’t like smelling like every other woman in the place. I enjoy creating “scent memories”, for others, by blazing my own unique silage trail!
Ya know, you might like to give Scent of Eros for Women a try, one of my favorites. It contains Androstenol and copulins. It has a nice pleasant scent, (no cops smell at all!), and is very attractive on it’s own…and it’s light enough to be covered with another fragrance should you wish to do so. I love it and often wear it alone or use it as a base adding other molecules on top.
Anyways, welcome to the forum, Angel. I hope that helps you out some. Good luck and have fun! I’ll look forward to seeing you around the forum.
Bella