About myself..I am a 32 yo male, in ok to good shape, above average looking (with a nice smile…not boasting, that’s what some girls say..LOL). I am partly shy..I say partly because, I initiate conversations with strangers in a club less often, and even when I do, they die down soon. But once I get to know girls, I am very comfy and I start flirting. I would like to get sexual attention / encounters in a club (well, I had little success in clubs in the past and I want to change that ).
I went to this club in Dallas last night, and it happens to be a Spanish night. Because I want girls to chat longer with me, I sprayed 4 CTTM and 2 Ammo 2x before leaving for the club.
So, I am standing at the bar and this hot spanish chick comes and stands right next to me. As if without her knowledge, I can feel her touching me with her elbows and I thought maybe I need to give her some space and move a little further. But then, after sometime I can feel that she is touching again. This usually NEVER happens to me..so I stay there and let her have the fun . I try to start a conversation, but she acts as if she ignored me (I figure she wants me to try harder..and she got a whiff of my pheros at this time). I wait for 5 mins and try to start it again and this time she is more receptive. She immediately asks my name and we slowly start the conversation. After sometime she says that I am still young for her and she refuses to dance when I ask her.
So, I am thinking to make the conversation more deeper and go to the restroom and give myself 3 shots of IH and 2 shots of TUTH..and go back and stand next to her. But then, after some more chatting, she suddenly leaves. My big question is: Did I OD?
Also, I would have expected the CTTM and IH to increase the depth of conversation with her..I dont understand where it went wrong. I am still in the experimentation stage and I am trying to reach to conclusions on the use of pheros.
So, to all the wonderful people in this forum…You need to help a brother out…to reach his goal
Its possible that you od , but I think she realized you were younger than the men she typically goes after. Pheros only lower the inhibitions alittle, there still has to be something there. So if her age range on men is say over 40, your only 32 and she still has in her mind her “ideal” 40 yr old man.
I would put my female age cap at around 30, so if a 40 yr old woman was hitting on me, while there are other mid/late 20 somethings around, i prob wouldnt do anything with her.
Just my guess though. (you cant ever be certain what she was thinking)
OK, lets try to analyze the situation. You say you’re somewhat shy until you get to know a girl, and you said you want girls to chat longer with you. The pheros can help, but it’s still up to you to keep the conversations flowing and the girl interested.
Pheros are not magical bullets, they work more like greasing the wheels. The wheel will turn without the grease but may have a lot of friction. The grease eases the friction but something still has to provide the power to turn the wheel.
The HB that came up to the bar and elbowed you sounds like she may have been interested, but I don’t think you worked her right. When you first tried to talk to her did you say something that would grab her interest and attention? When she first ignored you, I think you may have waited to long to try again and that may have broadcast low self-confidence to her, which she may have associated with being young.
I think that most hispanic women tend to like their guys to be a little more dominant and aggressive. I think more so than caucasian women they want a guy that comes accross as strong and confident. They also tend to be able to handle higher levels of Androstenone than Caucasian women, so at 32 years old I do not think that you OD’d on 2 shots of Ammo and a later application of 2 shots of Turn Up The Heat.
You are on the right track with the pheros you’re using, but need to remember that you still have to put forth the effort and work the pheros. It’s up to you to get the conversations started and keep them interesting.
Mark, thanks for the detailed advice. But I was under the impression that CTTM (as the name suggests, others would try to initiate the conversation) and IH are supposed to keep conversations going. Is that a correct understanding?
Your right, that’s what they “help” in. She did touch you twice right? that could be HER way of initiating a conversation. If you dont succeed the first time, just keep on trying Make sure you experiment with how many sprays work for you. Try to get that sweet spot.
There are no pheros that will change a persons freewill, or make them do anything that they do not want to do, or do not at least have a predisposition toward doing.
If a girl is not used to opening guys (and most of them are not) CTTM is not going to change that. But, once you open them, they can become really talkative. Instant Honesty was designed to create a trusting feeling and allow for deeper and more meaningful conversations.
I think the pheros will definitely help you, but they are not going to overcome your shyness or make you into somebody you are not. There are a lot of self-improvement books for overcoming shyness, increasing self-confidence and just about any other obstacle you may want overcome. I would suggest at least looking into a book to help you overcome the shyness.
When I was younger I was shy, meek, timid, and afraid of girls and rejection. Once I discovered sex and realized that girls actually did like me, it was really easy to overcome and from then on there was no stopping me.
I’ve got a feeling that once you tame the shyness and put yourself out there you’re gonna find that there’s a that beast resides within! Good luck to you!
Whoah, sounded that you’re OD on the -none…
2 sprays of TUTH and 2 sprays of AMMO… wooohhh tough one…
You better throw in some IFM and IS…
If I were to wear those… everybody will be running away from me…
It sounds to me like the lady in question needed a littele more of an Alpha signal for her to become more interested.
We have to remmeber that the pheros will not do the talking for you, they will not replace the need for you to act accordingly, they will not replace the need for you to portray your self as smart, funny, interesting, confident, intelligent, high status or whatever it is the girl is attracted to.
This is only a suggestion, but if your a little shy then prehaps A314 would be a good phero for you to try.
You have to ask your self weather your behavior was attractive toward the girl before asking weather your Pheremone signature was correct.
When you spoke with her did she become engaged with your coversation?
When I was younger I was shy, meek, timid, and afraid of girls and rejection. Once I discovered sex and realized that girls actually did despise me, life became a living hell… but enough of my bitching. I think Mark nailed it with his analysis in post #3. I especially liked the part about the grease and the friction.
I just don’t think a woman rejects a 32 year old man for being too young. Mark’s probably right that it was a comment on your lack of self confidence. I want to echo what Daniel says here: I think “young” was a code word for not enough A314. A lot of the things that people are saying that pheoros alone will not do are, in fact, things you’ll find just flow naturally once you get accustomed to wearing two or three drops of A314. Phero_Admirer, adding more -none via TUTH may have actually made you seem younger, whereas adding more -rone via A314 might have caused her to reconsider.
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. I try to start a conversation, but she acts as if she ignored me (I figure she wants me to try harder..and she got a whiff of my pheros at this time). I wait for 5 mins and try to start it again and this time she is more receptive. She immediately asks my name and we slowly start the conversation. After sometime she says that I am still young for her 
and she refuses to dance when I ask her.
Make sure you experiment with how many sprays work for you. Try to get that sweet spot.