Yes absolutely. Wow.
Thank you for taking the time to clarify that Steve. That really is profound and while I’m still digesting it I get where you’re going and just wow.
Thanks again
Woooah…heavy…
I would say that, as an example, Dude A has a naturally, introverted, at ease, kick back, kind of personality, then, he wears IJ. It could be difficult for YOU to get into the Jerk persona, normally, but with the self effect of the none, that can push you in that direction. But then, socially, Dude A isn’t ready to demonstrate that bad ass Jerk persona. Doesn’t quite know HOW to… So, Dude A will likely fail…
But, if Dude A started off with AMMO and IG and IO, will these mone steps take him to the bad ass Jerk persona…? Likely easier as he gets comfortable with being the extrovert, guy in charge, opines on things, kind of guy. The guy, at this stage of his persona development, then, is more likely to succeed and pull off IJ supremacy.
So, I still say to P and Steve, woah… heavy…
Dude A wouldn’t actually fail if he was confident with who he is, thus loved himself completely. I say it all the time that I enjoy Ijerk (as a very extreme example) because it allows me (a nice guy) to still be who I am, because after all I love who I am, but now with a perceived bad-boy persona. That’s the key. You have to love who you are, or regardless what you wear, ultimately you will not get the results you were expecting and therefore continue to have to readjust and learn from those experiences. Many people will unfortunately just quit, but will have to start over again down the line. We cannot get away from overcoming the obstacles that we learn from, whether now, or later, eventually we will need to overcome them to continue on our paths of discovery.
That’s where I differ from congruency. You don’t need to be congruent with anything more than yourself. Some people are not comfortable with their own selves. For a while I had issues with IO and said it made me come across as clownish. Notice what I wrote though as having issues with IO. I didn’t have issues with IO, I had issues with myself. Once I got those issues with myself handled I could either take IO or leave it, but it was merely a tool for me to wield. I put the power back into my own hands by loving the clownish aspect of myself. Guess what? When I did that I had many ladies and men telling me just how great of an outlook I had on life and how I made their lives happier. I became one with myself and my behavior, regardless of how big or small it was, its still me. I love me so that means I have to love all of me, even my behavior. From there life just opened up.
PX.3 37.5mcg (P83)
App Points: Sides of neck
Weather: Low 70’s low humidity
Venue: Office
As I was driving into the office I was more relaxed and less stressed in a way. I took my brother to work this morning since he’s on the way to my office. I wasn’t inclined to feel that I had to keep a ocnversation up with him. I don’t have an awkward or bad relationship with my brother but usually on the drive in I try to make conversation with him cause we typically just do whenever I pick him up or I drive him home.
In the office I didn’t really notice anything out of the ordinary. My co worked asked me for some advice, but since the advice has something to do with the job I do, I just chalked it it up to that. I had no other noticeable reactions from the rest of the staff or clients that I met with today. Will test different dosages in subsequent days.
Mid day update.
My NT’s seem to be depleted more than usual. Considering that I actually got more sleep than I normally do, but the high mcg might have been a factor in this. I will try just 1x @ 12.5 mcg tomorrow and see if I notice anything.
Late Update.
I remembered the conversation I had with a FD over here and I just realized she told me things she didn’t really tell anyone else besides her family. She got accepted to a top med school program and she also told me about the new guy she’s dating, which she hasn’t really told anyone else about either. I completely forgot about that until I was going over the events that happened yesterday.
PX.3 12.5mcg (P83)
App Points: Sides of neck
Weather: Low 70’s low humidity
Venue: Office
I tried to linger around people today with no differences in reactions from them. It’s also been pretty slow here today so I am not able to really get anything out of the testing today. Will try again tomorrow and when I’m out and about.
It’s remarkable how actually doing something that is good for the body, like a full night sleep, can throw you off that way, huh?
Yeah its so much more refreshing I never knew. I’m also doing a little bit more of cardio now than just straight weight training and I’m reaping the benefits of that as well, some good sunshine, music and nature (as much as you get here in the city) can really make a good difference.
I was doing some calculations and a to go of ICM 2.0 would cost $25 per 5 mL. So I’m using your journal to discover if anyone would be interested in paying that much for something that the two of us believe works. However we are the only two that have tested it.
That’s how it is though with these types of things. Lots of people always want to test it, but then, for whatever reason, don’t. Could be the price point, could be many things, but it is what it is.
I do believe this should only be open to active reporting users with maybe one or two newer guys to gauge it a bit more. Your thoughts Mustang?
Yes! I would pay $25 to test it.
A broad range of ages, different regions, and different levels of game.
I think personally from what I’ve read around here the best candidates would be the ones who frequent this Journal. Not saying it cause of mine, but a lot of the ones who read understand a lot of the inner workings of how pheromones and the molecules work and how to apply it to every day usage. They don’t really follow the hype too much and know the capabilities and limitations of it.
smellymen, jesse, maiden, gentleman, jayarea, boogie, M&M are just a few I can think of in the top of my head, hap tap also has a broad range of people he encounters. As for the newbies, pherojack has come a long way and so does 1alpha. alpha also is in a ltr which would give you some invaluable data, jesse has his steady fwb while tg has exposure to new people every day. If josie ever comes back I think he would be an awesome candidate for it too, I hope everything is ok with him I haven’t heard from him in over a month.
I probably missed a few people but it would be interesting to know how these things work for them.
My two cents
I only read maybe the last 6 or 7 pages, but great journal. I was searching for something but I don’t even remember what it was. SLEEP. Maybe I’ll remember tomorrow(today ha), it had to be something you were testing though.
You have an idea of what it was?
If you saw weird designations for molecules its cause I am testing some putatives out with a sleeve on.
It was probably for the ICM that I’m buying from Steve
ICM is a great mix, pretty much all in one you want a product to do. One of my favorites.
only lazyness and worrying about getting it right prevents me from making my own batch. Buying mx330 and 303/304 as well.
All good products, I have 303 but haven’t tested, and MX330 works well too, I still have a decent amount of that left over.
PX.3 25mcg (P83)
App Points: Sides of neck
Weather: Low 70’s low humidity
Venue: Office
at 25mcg/spray I had co workers continously coming into my desk and speaking with me. It almost was like they would not leave and leave me the hell alone. They were just talking about the most random things and personal stuff that I had an inkling that this had P83 like results from this.
My co worker whom I worked for kept sitting down at my desk and just talked and talked. This new guy came in as usual and just talked and talked. This was the same effect I was getting yesterday.
The interesting notion of testing this was that I knew I smelled P83 yesterday. It just has that distinct smell for me and I’m afraid it might have skewed my results a little bit. I got fed up and pulled it out of its sleeve and lo and behold, it is P83.
Conclusions:
- Subjects stayed around longer, it has a cling factor coupled with a beta nol like expression without as deep connection.
- Steered the right way, can use the cling factor to good use.
- bnol like expression would probably work well with NLP and good suggestive techniques
I was looking at the disinhibiting factor that people spoke about but I think that it is just in context of what happens and in what venues you use this in.
I’ve started to understand the cost behind these and why AD doesn’t continue them, but I honestly believe if they had to bump the price up on a lot of these Mxs that people love, that people would pay for them. If resources are the issue, then yea I have no ideas hehe. I’m afraid I’ll fall in love with one(or all) of these then just want a boat load of it and be out of luck hahaha
It’s not neccesarily about the dollar cost of it, molecules have rolling blackouts and the research value you get from it trumps that.
Steve I would defiantly test it.