I’ve had such good results with MX300, that I approached p74 with a similar sunny outlook. However, I’ve worn it on several different occasions (downtime alone wth boyfriend, b-day party with friends, to class layered on top of MX300, on a trip to have boyfriend “meet the parents”), and I haven’t seen any change in the behavior of others, nor have I experienced any self effects.
I know that’s a really short report, but I know we’re supposed to report the “duds” as well as the hits. Also, does anyone have any suggestions as to what I might layer it with to achieve the desired effects?
~ Smelly
EDIT: forgot to metion that I’ve been using 3-4 sprays on wrists, neck, hair (when doing 4 sprays, I double up on hair)
i remember when P74 came out i had to be among the first to try it.
i remember getting alot of hits until i OD’d on it at around 60-100mg.
it might be good to use the search for really old posts on it, so that you can view how it was approached in the beginning.
might serve as inspiration to try something different with it.
Sorry for the lack of specificity. I have a 12.5 mcg spray fixed in lightly scented Neroli. I am using 3-4 sprays, for a total of 38-50 mcgs. I’m spraying on wrists, hair and neck; when I do 4 sprays, the second one is to the hair.
thats actually a really nice dose.
oh and your lucky-
i got an industrial sized unscented.
i smelled like feet.
:o
results were worth it.
as i remember using it, i didnt get the kind of hits that bowl-you-over,
they were the kind of hits that you enjoyed because they were pleasant and uplifting.
nothing sexual, nothing overwhelming.
when you first start out here, you look for stuff you see mentioned in the posts;
when you dose yourself and then go on with your day, eventually you notice things that arent typical for you personally.
this has nothing to do with the forum and what others get.
when you see nuances that are not typical for you, hits will become much more obvious because after a few months you have adjusted your eyes to them.
take other’s suggestions with a grain of salt.
they are accurate,
but accurate for them.
Putatives are very different then the mixes. They take some practice to be able to test which is why we suggest waiting till you have used the consumers and the experimental mixes for at least a few months (actually Jassy said a year LOL) before jumping on these. They are not always easy to pick up on.
Tips for picking up on signals.
Body language is a important indicator with the putatives. People wont tell you how they feel you have to be able to pick up on it.
Use it aroud those you know well. Its easier to see behavior changes in people who you know.
Before you spray it on, note your mood and feelings. Then use it and see if you pick up on anything for self effects. The change with putatives will be more subtle in a lot of cases.
If you have TAF use 1 spray to the chest to focus the P74 more. Sometimes this helps you see effects.
Dont get discouraged when it comes to putatives. If you dont see anything put them a side and revisit them once you have more experience with the other products.
What I notice with P74 is a lack of stuff… lack of aggression, lack of bad mood, lack of irritation, etc. Where I saw the greatest positives was when I was around irritable people and then sprayed P74… instant harmony.
Maybe when I was being overreactive with someone completely socially unaware, but otherwise, nah…
2-6 months of usage with better known mixes or products for men. Maybe a month or so of playing around for most women. Maybe not the higher testosterone women. Estrogen seems to perk up the senses (smell, at least ), including the social senses.
Ohyeah, and I might’ve said a year at some point to scare off people from wasting precious new molecules. We had a problem with that for awhile, and it was driving us to the brink of bankruptcy. We need to make sure they go the right people. Some are crazy-expensive to synthesize, and we always want good data.
Putatives, if they end being valuable molecules that are actually pheromones, are just the same as any other pheromone. Just as easy or not to pick as anything else. Everything was a putative once, including alpha androstenol and estratetraenol (in fact, they’re still viewed as putative pheromones in the scientific and academic literature).
The main thing to remember is to get a scent package with putatives, since it helps them to project further. (Smelly did this, which is good) You can smell a skunk a mile away, but a hobo from only a few feet since human scents and pheromones stay don’t project very far. Many of the problems we’ve seen with putatives involve getting them naked, but pheromones need all the help they can get to reach as many noses as possible.
Usually around the 50.0 mcg range… but I don’t use this with a projector, like neroli (gawdawful asthma with that stuff). When I used to spray it on hubby’s keyboard it was also around 50.0 mcg every 2-3 hours.
With MX274 I don’t use as much. With that 2-3 sprays every 6-8 hours. This is an awesome social ice-breaker, even if you know you are going to be in some awkward meetings of people you are not sure of. It is great for good feelings all around and leaving people feeling you are their long-lost sibling. I can’t say enough about this product.
So I tried p74 with MX300 again on Tuesday, and I think I may have finally seen something in the way of effects-- or at least, self effects.
While walking down the hall, I saw a friend of mine behind two professors. Normally, the sight of Profs makes me all formal, but this time I had the urge to go touch her and put my arm around her… so that’s exactly what I did. She told me about computer problems she was having, and I held out my hand and told her to squeeze it and breathe deeply. I then steered her to the seat next to me, and generally felt all “girly close” with her throughout the interactive session.
I wasn’t really conscious of treating her differently at the time, but now that I look back 2 days later, I do think that I was unusually “bond-y” with her. She’s my friend, so touching her isn’t unusual, but I’m not generally that touchy-feely, especially in class…
