p75 vs p80

P75

Initally tested with 2.5mcg.

I like this. Definitely masculine, definitely sexual but I can see it working that way more from a Power/respect angle than just pure sex.

This is Calm, centered, benevolent masculine power. Think of a Chairman of the Board that actually has time to talk to and care about his staff – even the lowliest pleb.

There’s no irritability and no particular desire to take action or get things done – just a calm feeling of well-being. It’s good to be the King J

Certainly an impressive result from a minimal dose. Everywhere I go I catch girls looking at me – maybe I’m just checking them out more and therefore noticing, but I think it’s more the self effects and Superman body language I’ve got going on.

At 5mcg I felt a ‘None OD like warmth spreading over me. But I didn’t care :slight_smile: I was THE man, so it was just bad luck for anyone who didn’t like it…. Would probably stick to 2.5mcg though unless I had it buffered with socials.

P80

This on the other hand seemed much darker to me. Even at only around 18mcg I felt in a dark, pheromone fog. I felt decidedly unsociable and almost unwell – maybe it just doesn’t agree with me. Hadn’t tested anything that knocked me around like this except for P83 initially – and that wasn’t unpleasant.

There is a degree of arousal there but it’s just so damn dark that I think I’d need to be locked in a room with a ready and waiting woman to use it. Can’t imagine myself actually talking to anyone long enough to pick up with this.

I think Diane likened this to Androsterone. If it is, it’s certainly more the old style A314 – “do as I say and then leave me alone”.

I did notice that I moved in a much slower, more fluid way. Sort of like a tiger prowling around the jungle. Similar attention and looks to P75 - also as a result of my body language.

It certainly had a very masculine vibe to it, but I can see this getting intimidating really quickly. I tried at increased dosages (30mcg) and still didn’t like it. I don’t mind projecting a strong, masculine vibe, but this seemed way too serious to me- not something I could be congruent with if I was using it as an attraction tool.

The biggest downside for me, though, was longevity – all the effects seemed to wear off in about 45 minutes!

So the story to date…….

I choose P75. Everyone is different, of course, but so far this is longer lasting, more cost effective and more user friendly. I might at least try P80 with some socials to see if it can be softened, but that test might have to wait a little…. My purpose in testing these was more to see if I could run a lower ‘None dose in addition to one of these and appeal to a larger cross section of females.

On that score, I don’t think P80 is going to work. Although Androsterone is a good buffer for ‘None, this is too scary already without beefing it up even more.

P75, on the other hand, strikes me as closer to what I think of when I think of Androsterone – with an additional ‘None like sexual effect. Much more promising, at least for what I want.

But of course, in the interests of science I’ll try both with some Instant Jerk :slight_smile: I’ll just make sure I let you all know before I do it with P80 - that way if you don’t hear from me for awhile you’ll know why :open_mouth:

Great report! :slight_smile:

I like both P75 and P80 but I like P75 enough to have a 30ml bottle of it at 2.5 mcg. I made a mutant version of Steve’s ICM .05b with P75 and it totally changed the vibe of the mix. I used half the amount I’d have used if it was ~none so that could have been why it was so much more social than sexual. I may revisit it with P75 at the same amount as the ~none just to see how it goes.

I’m glad you replied, Snoop. I know you’ve tested both of these and have used P80 successfully.

Did you get any of the problems I had with it?

I’ve noticed that if I wear it above 25 by itself I get into the same issues you had. It is pretty easy to buffer with alpha-androstenol or TAA, though. Gives you a nice approachable alpha feeling and lightens the phero funk considerably.

Right now I have my P80 at 50 mcg because I plan on trying it in an ICM …1a batch but I’ve been distracted by playing with oil based mixes for the moment.