Looking at some of the older posts, we find that a lot of testers discover that P75 makes them uncomfortable even to the point of giving them headaches. The views of renny are summarized thusly:
Many of the experimenters were using 12.5 to 60 mcg or higher. Tacitus (who in many of his postings applys unusually high doses of pheromones in general) concluded that people were typically getting overdose experiences and much smaller doses were more effective.
MHarris also advised much smaller doses for P75 and he gave us unusually candid descriptions of what he was going for with this putative:
Some people did get androstenone-like experiences at low doses and even at high doses:
I have decided to take the – heretofore rarely attempted – low dose approach, rather than reproduce worthless descriptions of overdose. I diluted my P75 to sprays of 1.0mcg each. I then began to experiment starting at 1.0mcg and incrementing by 1.0mcg each day I wore it.
Before that, however, I sprayed on a full 5.0mcg to test for self effects. I noted that it was arousing, aggressive, irritating and distracting. Provided with the right stimuli, I found the prosexual effects to be overwhelming. The psychoanalytic term, I think, is phallic aggressive. I will definitely be adding P75 – probably about 2.5mcg – to my What, no drum solo in the geezer version!?
Reps to you Warren. This is a perfect example of why everybody needs to test for themselves. What I think sucks can be great for someone else. I’m finding these undertested putatives to be more fun testing than the MXs. I understand guys who are new to pheromones wanting to use the latest and greatest mixes that Androtics can come up with. That’s the nature of why they found pherotalk to start with. After some experience though I hope most people will take your queue and try some of these less well known molecules. They can be very rewarding. I recently tried P78 and like it. After I did my report I looked to see how many reports have been done on it. ONLY 93 posts even mentioned P78. P75 has a few more posts that contain the string “P75” but only a handful are actual reports. Again reps and thanks for looking to the edge.
Renny, if you’ve still got your 2.5mcg P75, dilute it with some alcohol (or something innocuous like Instant Openness) and I think you’ll like it. For me, even at 3.0mcg it was losing its appeal.
If you mix 2.5mcg half and half with something else, you have 1.25mcg. If you then pour it from a cobalt blue bottle into a togo bottle you’ve got 1.0mcg (1.0417mcg to be more exact). This is a really nice amount to work with, using one or two sprays at a time, maximum total.
I like experimenting with the putatives. I’ve discovered some amazing effects – often overloooked by others (e.g. P86, P87, P80, P75, P103, P106). Then I can make my own mixes. I’m gonna have to try P76 and P78.
I will go back and try P75 some more. I’ve got a to go of P77 to test and I’ll have the P7x series complete. I’ve seen results from each of them so far, and now I want to try balancing some of the effects of each off the others. I’ll fer shure drop the P75 down to 1 mcg per spray and give it a go.
I have reported on this molecule twice, and nobody seems to have noticed. Once in it’s own thread, and once in my Liquid Lust thread.
According to my results and calculations, this molecule has an optimal range if less than 0.45 mcg width and the optimal dose seems to be between 1 and 2 mcg. My calculations were actually much more specific, but that’s between me and Androtics… if they ever get back to me!
This is definitely a molecule to pay attention to.
Aw… but, Catlord, those weren’t P75 posts – they were P-75 posts! I have to do a whole different search to find your stuff. Thanks for pointing it out though!
I actually have trouble following your “Liquid Lust” post. Your mathematical calculations seem to come in just below my subjective assessments of dosage. I don’t see how you apply a mathematical formula to something like that though…
P-75 and P75 are not the same thing, true, but… that’s how I write it.
It might help to know that the “doses” I come up with and post about in my LL thread are usually referring to the “per spray” in the Panty Scorcher mix. That mix is designed to be used at between 1 and 3 sprays, with 2-3 being most likely.
As for the math… well, that I really can’t talk about.
Great Report Warren. A little big for my screen though LOL
I am glad to see people playing with the older putatives again as well. My spreadsheets are getting lonely cause I hardly have anyting to add to them lately.
Looking forward to hearing more
Catlord your results on on my spreedsheet, I noticed you
I had previously considered the optimal ratio of P86 to P87 to be 5:1 as in my Sensuality Mix. But when I add even a small amount of P75, I need to reduce the amount of P87 or the P87 overwhelms the mix. The P75 seem to somehow potentiate the P87 effects.
50mcg of P86 with 6.75mcg of P87 and 2.5mcg of P75 was still too much P87. That is a ratio of 7.4:1 of P86 to P87.
What I found works well is a ratio of 20:1:1 of P86 to P87 to P75. In this case it would seem that the effects of P87 are about four times as strong when used with P75.
The best I can do toward explaining this is to note that the cold empathy of P87 can – in more than small doses – make people’s flaws stand out in a glaring way. The sense of confidence and self-satisfaction from P75 can magnify others’ emotional flaws and make them, by contrast, even more unappealing.
Confidence & de-negging
I’ve worn P75 to the strip club a few times. On a couple of different occasions a dancer was asking me to buy her drinks. This usually pisses me off (if I haven’t offered first). Still I feel bad about saying no. And if I do say no, even afterwards I’ll feel uncomfortable and annoyed. On these two occasions, however, I just explained that in this economy I can’t afford to buy drinks for ladies anymore. Usually, in the past, the lady walks off acting kinda insulted. Wearing the P75, however, I not only feel comfortable refusing, but both times the ladies sat there and continued talking to me as though nothing had happened. Neither of us were offended. That’s the way it ought to be, but it never was before. I didn’t even notice at the time – it wasn’t until later that I looked back and realized something truly revolutionary had occurred.
Yogalefty referred to P75 as the “not intimidating” phero. It seems the the wearer and those around him are impervious to intimidation.
I noted elsewhere:
It would seem that the PUA technique of negging would be undermined by the P75 making the target immune to having her confidence undercut. I believe that – in small amounts – P75 annihilates the insecurities that cause woman to throw up a bitch shield to begin with. Perhaps this would render the use of the negging technique unnecessary. I hope a more experienced PUA will share his observations on P75, negging and bitch shields…
Emulsifying TAC and TAA
The third attribute of P75 that I want to comment on is its ability to nullify the problems caused by wearing TAC and TAA together. I discussed this breakthrough in great detail in a post on the TAC vs TAA thread
I just want to mention it again here on a P75 thread because it is such an important discovery about P75. For me it is probably the most important characteristic of P75. I have been looking for a long time for a phero that will allow me to comfortably wear TAC and TAA (Instant Shine) together.
The effects I get from TAA(20mcg)+TAC(20mcg)+P75(2.5mcg) are pretty amazing. It is a combination of social presence and relaxation and confidence all together forming a very positive state. I want to encourage others to try it. I suspect that it can become the base for a number of different mixes by adding one or two additional guiding pheromones, depending on the situation and desired outcomes.
I have experienced situations (2.5 mcg) in which the pheromone seemed very dominating and even threatening to the other males in the area. Only after spending a lot of time “talking them down” from their threatened feeling did they relax and open up. This does not happen to all males, but to see a big beefy guy respond like this to a smaller guy who is a lot less beefy (me) is kind of strange.
I had an experience with P75 where I was adding it to my Sensuality Mix. I wanted to try including TAA and TAC along with P75which makes them work well together. I had tried this successfully once before using 2.5mcg P75. I have previously suggested 2.0mcg as the max optimal dose of P75. I made it just a little more because I didn’t want the very negative effects I can experience when I combine TAA and TAC. Well, my finger kind of slipped on the spray bottle and I tried to compensate, but I probably got closer to 3.0mcg. Plus – I had forgotten – I had used a little P75 several hours earlier in the day, so there may have been some residuals. Apparently, I got a too much.
Things went well with the woman I was with, but in a very subtle emotional way, things were just not right. I am actually concerned I may have permanently damaged the relationship. There was a sense of complacency and disinterest in each other that I have described before, a subtle “I don’t need you” attitude. I think this would be great for getting over a breakup, but it is hard on romances and friendships.
There is a very delicate balance. On the one hand, a small amount of P75 gives a man the confidence that absolutely prevents him from becoming a needy, clingy, whiny, nervous beta. On the other hand, just a little too much and he experiences an attitude of such self-sufficiency that any interest or capacity for intimacy is much diminished. I believe the effects are similar on women/others.
P75 has a greater lasting effect than any other pheromones that I have tried. The P75 experience seems to leave a permanent mark on my personality. I am talking about increased confidence, here. There have been threads on A314 discussing this outcome. People, who use A314 regularly, will often notice that if they forget to use it, they still retain much of the sense of confidence and status the A314 gives them. It becomes “a way of life”. It makes sense; once you achieve that mindset, the experience is self-reinforcing. With P75 the experience is more so – so much more so that I need much less P75. With most pheromones, as I become comfortable with the effects, I will tend to use a little bit more. With P75 a little bit more is way too much. I had previously diluted my P75 down to 1.0mcg. As a result of the experience described above, I have diluted it down to 0.5mcg per spray. That amount is very helpful, and I wear a half an mcg on most days.
I have shelved the “adding TAA, TAC, P75 to my Sensuality Mix” project for now. I’ll come back to it later, no doubt, with much less P75.
I agree with you 100% on the A314 statement. Your statement is very profound. There have not been much documentation on permanent changes occuring when using pheros. I have experienced the A314 effect. Its true! P75 may be a better substitute in respect mixes than NONE.
I am very interested in P75 now. Dang it, I just got my new order today to!
I love P75 IN SMALL DOSES. It works REALLY good as a replacement for Androstenone. I can vouch for it making for some really animalistic hot and heavy sex.
I bought a 30 ml bottle at 2.5 and I’ve tried it up to 12.5 mcg and 2.5 to 5 works GREAT for me depending on the woman and ths situation. I swear that androstenone is easier to buffer, though. Buffered, P75 is really awesome. It does bring the stares from women in particular.
