Below are some reports of people’s results with LESS THAN 2.5 mcgs of P75 .
I wonder if it might be worthwhile for Androtics to start the default dosages of P75 at 0.500 mcg/spray as Catlord wanted to specially order… They might find the sweet spot for this one in this way and the way it is done now (with people diluting the stuff on their own) might lead to inaccuracies in dosage reports…
What I like about this one from reading so far (I haven’t been able to try it much as I’ve been going to tried and tested products because of work pressures) is:
- it is friendly and it is masculine/strong at the same time.
I love Androtics’ products and wear them everyday pretty much. While they swing things my way far more often than not, at times it feels like I am going from one extreme to the other. From being a friendly presence (almost too friendly/‘non-sexual’ vibe wearing mostly the social pheromones) to being a sexual predator
(when I add the AndrostEnone ). It’s just tricky at times socially - it’s like walking on a tightrope or even going 4 steps forward and 2 steps back.
Now something which doesn’t push too much in the direction of obvious hits but consistently swings things positively like low dose P75 (say 2 steps forward and almost zero steps back) might just be what I need socially most of the time. Just an ‘enhanced sweat’ kind of effect minus outlandish reactions.
Low dose P75 + possibly some P96 (see Dancing Joker’s journal posts and provided it is affordable to produce) + perhaps P86 might just lead to a more balanced ‘sensual’ product socially. I always thought a key to a nice sensual mix is not too include too many friendly mones but at the same time AndrostEnone (and even AndrosteRone for me socially) seems to raise too many defences in others at times…
P75 … Oi!!!
tacitus (July 25, 2007):
“In some cases… really low quantities, below what you’d initially assume would be effective, will do a better job than an overdose …”
P75 … Oi!!!
tacitus (August 7, 2007):
“Consider using low ranges of P75, possibly 5 mu or less per application, in concert with the friendly phro molecules… most of the negative reactions sound like heavy overdosing… there are pheromones that you can apply liberally, and there are others that are like catalysts, only a small amount can have a dramatic effect in the right direction, and too much can throw the whole perceptual-behavioral balance… where most people will just shut down or want to escape your intensity…”
P75 … Oi!!!
tacitus (September 14, 2007):
“P75 is really gooood stuff… with this rock solid caveat, it must be dosed low, in the range of 1-2 mu per application, (total, all squirts combined) absolute maximum… what people are describing here is a bad overdose … because some pheromones stay nice and comfy in the 100 mu range does not mean ALL pheromnes have the same dosage response curve… probably 1-2 mu is the maximal output of a healthy young male human, so what seems conservative, 15 mu is like being in a close packed locker room with 15 rowdy guys, oppressive and intense… more does not always mean better, more can mean bothersome and creepy… ever been to a bad club or bar where you instincively felt you had to get out of there, like some f.u. social dysfunction is always on the brink of happening ?”
P75 … Oi!!!
tacitus (October 6, 2007):
"Waaay too much… only a pinch, maybe one or two mu [of P75] at the most… everybody is describing a classic OD "
ICM: Driven 2 Love additions soon to come!
iamstetchypanda (November 19, 2008):
“…Everything you’ve said has been spot on from the testing i’ve done. I prefer the ICM B mix. I add 2.5 mcg of p75 per spray and doubled the P83 for good results. The only time i will add in none is if i have alot of sexual trust built up (i.e. girl is ok with me removing pants etc). Anyways glad you revealed the secret ingrediants. Hope more breakthrous are made soon :]”
catlord17 (February 27, 2009):
“…6. P-75 has an incredibly small and microscopically specific range of optimal dosage, which is so finely graduated that I would have to give away too much information for my secret Panty Scorcher Mix to be precise enough for much value… the entire range seems to be under 0.15mcg wide, and it is centered roughly at 500 ng/spray…”
P75 - I’m a Man.
Warren (March 9, 2009):
"…My Experience
I have decided to take the – heretofore rarely attempted – low dose approach, rather than reproduce worthless descriptions of overdose . I diluted my P75 to sprays of 1.0mcg each. I then began to experiment starting at 1.0mcg and incrementing by 1.0mcg each day I wore it.
Before that, however, I sprayed on a full 5.0mcg to test for self effects. I noted that it was arousing, aggressive, irritating and distracting. Provided with the right stimuli, I found the prosexual effects to be overwhelming. The psychoanalytic term, I think, is phallic aggressive. I will definitely be adding P75 – probably about 2.5mcg – to my Sensuality Mix. More on that in future posts.
**The first time I wore 1.0mcg, I went out shopping with my son. I didn’t notice any difference in him. Women really seemed to notice me. The the girl (cashier) at Staples couldn’t take her eyes off me. She was very prompt and helpful in waiting on me. (We didn’t buy anything – just asked a question.) Women noticed me, but kept their distance – they didn’t follow us around or
become excessively talkative or anything. No stalkers. Men seemed ambivalent. The young man at Radio Shack was very cool, but quite alert to our presence. Myself, I felt a little spacy, not alert – but I did not experience this on subsequent
occasions. **
**I continued my experiments at the gym where I generally wear 10mcg TAC and 10mcg P124 . I added P75 to this mix, incrementing on each visit.
ONE mcg . I noticed people around me more, especially females. They seemed to notice me a little more, too. I seemed to notice just a little of the empathy effect typical of P87 . I believe I was a little more alert than usual. Definite eye contact and IOI look from a woman I passed on the stairs. This is unexpected for me at the gym. I am not the athletic type.
TWO mcg . Again, a couple of IOI type glances from women. I am more aware of people around me and vice versa. Brief conversations with a couple of men (they initiated), which is very unusual – I usually just keep to myself here.**
THREE mcg . Nothing noteworthy to report. I noticed other people and felt relaxed and confident as I had previously with P75 . Fewer positive reactions from others, but nothing negative.
FOUR mcg . I felt a much stronger sense of relaxed, presence, and I felt mildly competitive toward other males which I hadn’t noticed before in this circumstance. When I arrive, the man at the front desk makes me wait for a minute before he checks me in. No big deal, but it never happened before, and it was unnecessary. I get the sense he has to prove that he won’t submit to my powerful presence. I am more aware of females than before and they seem to notice me.
FIVE mcg . Whatever machine I want to use there is always someone else using it. How does P75 do that!? A woman points out that this machine is broken (not obvious) but she is about to leave the one she is on. This is unexpectedly courteous, but I look back at her a second later and she completly ignores me. When people walk past me, they pass too close, disrespecting my personal space. Eye contact from a couple women, but no additional conversation.
Conclusions
P75 is definitely an overlooked gem. It has as much or more to offer than androstenone. It seems to have gone under-appreciated because it requires very small doses and early users consistently overdosed, giving it a bad rep.
I definitely like 2.0mcg of P75. Four or five mcg starts to weird people out in subtle but definite ways. **In low doses it is both sexy and social. It has many of the characteristics of androstenone , but I experience it as both smoother and sexier. It
consistently and definitely makes me feel quite relaxed and confident. In one and two mcg doses, it gets positive reactions from females and respect from other men. **
Finally, Steve, thanks for turning me on to P75!.."
P75 - I’m a Man.
Warren (March 9, 2009):
"Renny, if you’ve still got your 2.5mcg P75, dilute it with some alcohol (or something innocuous like Instant Openness) and I think you’ll like it. For me, even at 3.0mcg it was losing its appeal.
If you mix 2.5mcg half and half with something else, you have 1.25mcg. If you then pour it from a cobalt blue bottle into a togo bottle you’ve got 1.0mcg (1.0417mcg to be more exact). This is a really nice amount to work with, using one or two sprays at a time, maximum total…"
P75 - I’m a Man.
catlord17 (March 9, 2009):
"I have reported on this molecule twice, and nobody seems to have noticed. Once in it’s own thread, and once in my Liquid Lust thread.
According to my results and calculations, this molecule has an optimal range if less than 0.45 mcg width and the optimal dose seems to be between 1 and 2 mcg . My calculations were actually much more specific, but that’s between me and Androtics… if they ever get back to me!
This is definitely a molecule to pay attention to."
What would happen if you try all the pheromones all at once?
catlord17 (March 28, 2009):
"I have a lot of stuff, and I have worked with all of it at once. In my experience, the effect you get depends not so much on what you have on, at that point, but on which ones are at what strengths.
The answer is anything but cut and dried because that means you can get all or any possible responses depending on how you mix. I have trued a mix called “10E”, standing for “10 mcg of everything” and it’s like mixing all the colors of the rainbow together - results not good at that level because of such wonderful inclusions as P-75, which should be worn at around 2 mcg or less at a time. But without P-75 overdosing, let’s say I was to wear 10E but only 2 mcg of P-75, the effects are pretty good.
Overall, it’s like having a very specific color that is so subtle that it has no name… not quite magenta, or pink, or purple, but… something. The more pheromones I use at once, the more subtle the effects become because it’s like a symphony playing, not just a Sax, or a Sax, a guitar and drums. Thus, symphonic mix."
In Mark-in-dallas’ 15 March 2009 journal entry he wore a diluted mix of 1 spray of about 1.8 - 2.0 mcg’s of P75, and 3 sprays of MX272.
He thought the 1.8-2.0 mcg’s of P75 brought out another layer in his lady friend he had not see before - she was more touchy-feely, cuddly and sexually open than he had ever seen.
P75= Eye contact, mr gentleman
renny (April 7, 2009):
“Hey Yoga, you talked me into giving P75 another try. I diluted to 1 mcg per spray and have been wearing 1 or 2 sprays for several days.”
P75 P76 Torsion vs Tension
renny (April 16, 2009):
"I took the advice to dilute p75 down to the 1mcg per spray level. Did not have the same crushed temple feeling at one or two sprays that I got from heavier applications. Also should note that my original testing was done using plain cologne as a diluent. The new test was done using Androtics cologne strength P75. Seems a bit smoother using the P75 and allowed me to go as high as 5 sprays or 5mcg without ill effect. That shows me like nothing else ever has how important diffusion can be.
Effects on others. It’s a friendlier vibe than I recalled. Get lots of boistrous joking from customers. Reminds me a little of using Turn Up The Heat and Instant Honesty together, not as frequent or over the top as that mix is. I called that a sort of weekend hunting camp vibe. P75 is more of a Tuesday coffee break recounting of the hunting camp. Still not getting the kinds of hits others are but it’s not as harsh on me as it was at heavier strength."
Tonight’s Self Test: 1.25 mcg P75
catlord17 (April 16, 2009):
"Tonight’s Self Test: 1.25 mcg P75
9:14 PM: Okay. Just applied 1 spray of P75 @ 1.25 mcg /spray to my neck a few minutes ago.
I am noticing that it’s making me tired. My eyes feel funny in that “brain shutting down, I am gonna fall asleep here” way. Very surprising from such a small amount of P75, since 10 mcg didn’t do this to me.
9:39: Have noticed that my lower right eyelid is spasming. That’s always a sign that I am sleep deprived and am going to “crash” soon. However, I slept from 6 am to 5:30 PM. I should not be this tired. Also, tiredness seems to be wearing off slightly, and is being replaced by a sensation in my chin, lips and neck of coolness… slightly reminiscent of the feeling I get in my lips when I am starting to get drunk. Very interesting.
9:58: I am starting to notice that my mood is shifting. I am feeling more upbeat, happy, and I am smiling and laughing more. Face, chest and neck still have this sensation of being “chilled”.
10:25: Mood has stabilized around “neutral”. Slightly tired feeling still present. Lower lip, chin, front of neck and upper chest still feel “chilled”.
11:22: faint tiredness, faint “chilling” left in lower lip… effects seem to have dissipated for the most part."
P75 Experiments
catlord17 (Mary 2009):
"P75 Experiments
I have been experimenting with a bottle of P75 that gives 1.25 mcg /spray and have discovered that P75 all by itself has good effects at 1.25, 2.5, and 3.75 mcg /spray. Effects appear to be markedly different depending on the race of the subject. The general populace seems to like 1.25 and 3.75 mcg a lot… hispanics seem to prefer 2.5 to 3.75 mcg and respond best so far from my testing at 2.5 mcg . Experiments are ongoing.
Almost forgot… self effects are good at all three doses, but seem to be most positive for me at 1.25 or 3.75 mcg /spray.3.75 mcg makes me very strong and powerfully present in a masculine sense."
P75 Experiments
catlord17 (May 2009):
“…I special ordered a bottle that delivers 0.500 mcg /spray, but the lowest they could go was 1.25 mcg /spray. For me, 10 mcg is very bad, and even 5 mcg is a negative effect on me.”