P83 + Ammo + IS= Avoidance?

Dosages:

2x Ammo (regular strength)

3x Instant Shine (regular strength)

37.5 mcg P83 (@12.5 per spray, 3 sprays)

*P83 bottle was unused for about 4 years, it was togo size. It didn’t look like there was any evaporation, as the bottle was still full. So it’s unlikely humidity affected it.

Report:

I’ve almost exclusively been wearing Ammo combined with Instant Shine because I love the effects, and that combination seems to be perfect for my body chemistry. Anyways, last night I thought I would change things up and add some P83 to the mix. Since, my mix was sexual because of the 2x Ammo and also the environment I was going to be in (nightclub), I decided to go with 37.5 mcg of P83. I would have gone lower, but I feel like anything under 25 mcg wouldn’t have been enough.

Now, typically upon me entering the club with my phero signature, I get DIHL looks and great reactions from women. They flirt with me, touch me, and all that stuff. This time, however, things were essentially stagnant. There was a woman there who I knew that typically responds very well to me, and she absolutely refused to interact with me or dance with me. What happened was my friend (who is friends with her) was pointing me out to her, telling her to go dance with me, but she would not even come into my proximity. The weird thing, too, is that she gave me a free drink randomly? Very interesting.

Another woman actually pushed me away from her space (keep in mind I wasn’t even interacting with her, looking at her, or anything). She just comes from behind and pushes me away; I barely even saw her. Again, she was weird as well. 10 minutes went by and she begin dancing intimately with me, but honestly, she was doing that (dancing, not pushing away) to all the guys: so I can’t really credit it to pheromones.

The rest of the night I felt like I was not being noticed at all. I was still having a very fun time dancing and everything, but I was getting almost entirely ignored by the women there. Even my guy friends seemed “off” and didn’t have as much as fun they normally do. Definitely not typical for me, and the only thing that I’ve changed is the P83.

Conclusion:

I think that P83 is a very complex molecule: it seems to intensify the pheromones I already had on. This makes me wonder if it theoretically “doubled” the Ammo I had on, as if I were wearing 4 sprays of it, causing an OD. I didn’t notice women dirty talking me or dropping inhibitions like others have reported. I may need to play around with the dosages, but the molecule may not be right for me. It seemed to intimidate some women, causing them to just generally avoid me. I feel as though the molecule is too aggressive. I know that Jasmin, years ago, said Androtics is considering putting P83 in TUTH (TUTH and P83 together post #8). I hope they’re very careful with that. :wink:

I would say it is too much P83 - Not so much intensifying though, more creating discord with the effects of the other elements in the mix.

20mcg would IMO seem quite enough with that amount of Ammo - At @40mcg P83, I’d normally be looking to pair it with a fairly overt TUTH-based mix, esp in a club.

Why pair 40mcg of P83 with TUTH though? Just curious, because if 2x Ammo cause those results, wouldn’t TUTH make it worse with P83?

No - the P83 helps people get through the physical drawback/intimidation that can happen when exposed to overt sexual or status/sexual mixes. With a more balanced, social or less overtly sexual mix its much less of a problem, so a lower dose that always does better. Go too high on the P83 there and people become almost like they are wary of you.

I find that with TUTH or TUTH/A314 its P83 in the 40-60mcg range that works best, or if IJ is involved, higher still - 60-80mcg. Its not till you get over approx 100mcg that P83 starts getting counterproductive on everything.

This is for a fairly uninhibited environment, clubs and the like - not polite social or work.