Pheromone highlights in bar/club settings

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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This is my new journal and I’m retiring my old journal. This journal will primarily focus on the effectiveness of pheromones in bars/clubs and tweaking my pheromone ratios to improve how people respond to me in bar/club environments.

I’m not going to give detailed hit reports in this journal. I’m just going to summarize my findings.

I typically like to experiment with higher levels of anone than most people. So most of my combos I go out with will contain a high level of anone. This works for me because I’m more of a laid back and passive guy. I don’t have the male aggression that most men inherently have. I’m a straight male with some feminine traits and the anone helps balance that out.

Base Pheromone combo
1 Spray IJ to the Stomach
1 Spray of The Edge to the chest covered with The Beat Cologne
1 Spray of 50mcg P83 Sprayed on stomach
2 Sprays of TUTH to my sides.
1 Spray of IH sprayed on stomach
2 drops of A314 on Arms
My experimenting over the past year has led me to this base pheromone combination. I get good hits with this and similar combos. I’m not sure if this one is better with or without IH as a buffer.

Sweet Spot
1 Spray of Instant Jerk
1 Spray of Turn Up The Heat (Optional)
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists
I’ve got some of my best hits with this mix without and without the TUTH. The instant jerk seems to be enough. There were times when a women would just throw herself at me although that doesn’t happen as often as I would like. :slight_smile:

If I didn’t like experimenting with pheromones, I would stick to this mix and be done with it. I think its fun to try out new pheromones though.

Maybe I’ll use this one as my base mix and try my new putatives when they come in one by one.

To be less harmless and more polarizing
ProfX's pheroadventure
To be less harmless and more polarizing
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Wow. Pha pha pha pha PHERO BOMB!!! :open_mouth: I must put out a lot of androstenone naturally because I’d be Hulking out with as much androstenone as you have in your mixes there. But hey, whatever works! Keep up the great reporting. :slight_smile:

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[quote=“metalTree, post:1, topic:37263”]

This is my new journal and I’m retiring my old journal. This journal will primarily focus on the effectiveness of pheromones in bars/clubs and tweaking my pheromone ratios to improve how people respond to me in bar/club environments.

Thanks, I can’t tell you how many times I tried to read your previous journal, bro… it’s long. :slight_smile: Now, this time, I’ll be able to following from the beginning and keep pace.

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[quote=“MVKBUGATTI, post:3, topic:37263”]

I had the same problem when I wanted to review my previous results of different pheromone combinations, it was a pain to sift through the excessively long posts. I didn’t want to miss any important nuisances that could have been affected by the pheromones. But it was too much.

This new journal will definitely be more concise. Now I think less is more.

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Yeah. The reason I like wearing high doses of androstenone is because I feel invisible without it. With it, I feel like I have a real presence and I like that feeling.

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Hi metaltree. I used to follow your old journal. As I don’t get nearly as much chance to go out to bars/nightclub I have very little chance to experiment so it’s very hard for me to come up with an effective mix for that environment. The old MX101/Pheroproof filled that niche for me very well though.

Anyway, to increase presence I would like to see your experiences with adding P79 and TAF to the -none mixes that you use. You can use 10-15 mcg of each in 1:1 ratio. I have noticed that during daytime P79+TAF is pretty effective in garnering presence by itself. You can also try just P79 with your A314+IJ mixes. I am curious to learn about your experiences.

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Thanks for the tips. I’ll think I’ll put TAF and P79 in my next order. Anything that will increase presence is worth a try.

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Friday Night with IJ, P83, IH, A314 with no cover scent

Pheromones
1 Spray of Instant Jerk to Stomach
1 Spray 50mcg P83 to stomach
1 Spray of Instant Honesty to chest
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists
No Cover Scent

Summary

  • Overall Effectiveness: Good
  • Dance Floor Effectiveness: Very Good
  • Quality of Bars Visited: Some good, some bad
  • Quantity of IOIs: Several
  • Blatant Hits: 2
  • Approached by Women: 0
  • Successful cold approaches: 0
  • Failed cold approaches: 0
  • Makeouts: 0
  • Hookups: 0

Blatent Hit #1
I’m standing at the bar watching the Duke/Purdue game. A girl comes next to me from behind to ask the bartender for a napkin. As she does this she puts her arm solidly around my lower back and presses her breast into the back of my arm very solidly. I was taken by surprise and froze like a deer in headlights.

Blatent Hit #2
I’m dancing on the dance floor and this girl bumps into me as she walks by. Then she bumps into me again even harder and then just stands there next to me without doing anything. I complement her outfit and she is all over me after that. She is pressing her body against me as she talks, she touches my crotch once and she touches my ass a few times. I failed to close but it was obvious that she was massively attracted to me.

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Hi metaltree, looks like you got some great results. I am interested in your feedback if you had ever experimented with adding these to your mix.

  1. A314 + IH + IS causes a celebrity effect for quite a few people and you already have 2 of the components in your mix. Have you tried adding IS?

  2. You have sometimes used both IJ and TE. Have you replaced IJ with TE in your mix from last post? What changes?

  3. What if you replace P83 with MEO-EST or use both together? MEO-EST can also have a celebrity effect.

  4. For presence have you tried low doses (2.5 mcg or less) of P80?

  5. Have you tried low doses of P93 (<=5 mcg). I think more attracts older unless buffered when it is attractive even at high dosages, much like -none.

This is apart from my earlier thoughts of adding P79 and TAF to your mix.

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I have a togo bottle of IS that I received for free with one of my past orders but I never used it. I think I’ll add that to my mix tonight and see what happens.

Yup, I’ve experimented extensively with IJ and TE/NPA. I did a lot of experimenting with IJ last fall and lately I’ve been using TE or NPA a lot. Here are my conclusions:

  • IJ is superior to TE for generating blatant hits and DIHL in bars/clubs although TE is pretty good as well. But the hits with TE are usually more subtle.
  • IJ combined with TE is no better than IJ alone for generating blatant hits.
  • 1 spray of IJ can rub some people the wrong way but 1 spray of TE never rubs people the wrong way.
  • I can’t wear 2 sprays of IJ because 2 sprays of IJ can sometimes lead to a very crappy night where everyone seems to avoid me like the plague.
  • I can wear 3 sprays of TE in bars/clubs without any problems.
  • I can wear 1 Spray of IJ with one spray of TE but it’s no better than IJ alone.
  • Doormen occasionally get angry at me when I approach bars wearing IJ but I don’t recall that happening with TE.
  • I have strong hits with IJ where a girl has been massively attracted with her hands all over me and then literally ran away after a few minutes. That has never happened with TE.
  • I am comfortable with wearing on spray of TE when I go out with friends or hang out at a local bar because it has never weirded anyone out. I would not feel comfortable hanging out with friends wearing IJ.

I have MEO-EST on order at 62.5 mcg/spray. So I will be experimenting with that soon. SnoopyAce’s reports on MEO-EST sold me on that pheromone.

I don’t have P80 but I might order it in the future.

I have P93 on order at 12.5 mcg per spray. Perhaps that’s too strong but I will be experimenting with that soon too.

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Thanks for your insight on IJ and TE metaltree. Ofcourse TE has half the amount of -none (6-7 mcg/spray) than IJ (12.5 mcg/spray), yet why you are able to use 3 sprays of TE and not more than 1 sprays of IJ is surprising and interesting. I will need to experiment with IJ, which so far never interested me enough to purchase it.

Regarding your use of IH, I wonder if you have played with CTTM. I always found CTTM vastly superior for attraction than either IO or IH, from which I barely ever notice results. I do get compliments about my eyes, nose or other facial features when I spray -nols to my face or jaw (but to be fair I get that with -none as well).

-None application to jaw (or sometimes chest) works great. A314 is best applied to back of ears (or sometimes chest). CTTM to hair. Any comments about efficacy based on application points?

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I never tried CTTM.

Personally, I don’t think application points are all that important except for diffusion rates. From what I read in the forums, if you want a product to diffuse fast then you put it on the pulse point of your wrist or the pulse area of your neck. If you want a slower diffusion, you put it on your chest or stomach away from your pulse points.

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Saturday Night with IJ, P83, IH, IS, A314 with Body Kouros cover

Pheromones
1 Spray of Instant Jerk to Stomach
1 Spray 50mcg P83 to stomach
1 Spray of IS to Stomach
1 Spray of Instant Honesty to chest
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists
Body Kouros Scent

Summary
Overall Effectiveness: Good
Dance Floor Effectiveness: Excellent early on, fair later in the evening
Quality of Bars Visited: 1st bar great, other bars not so good.
Quantity of IOIs: Several early in first bar, very few later in evening
Blatant Hits: 0
Approached by Women: 1
Successful cold approaches: 1
Failed cold approaches: 1
Makeouts: 0
Hookups: 0

The first bar I went to had a crowded dance floor and I was getting all kinds of IOIs and attention from women. I was quite amazed at the attention I was getting. But I went to a few more bars after that and the IOIs pretty much stopped.

One girl approached be later in the evening but besides that, I was not getting any IOIs at all. Maybe the 1st venue was just a superior bar with lots of single women on the prowl. I don’t know.

The pheromones are definitely doing their job and creating leads for me. I’m blowing most of my opportunities because my brain freezes much of the time and many women don’t like my social awkwardness.

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3 Local Bars - Pheromone combo did nothing

I went to 3 local bars tonight and I decided to go with a more conservative mix (Lower Androstenone mix than usual). I wore the following pheromones.
1 Spray of The Edge
1 Spray of IH 2X
2 drops of A314

I struck up conversations at all 3 local bars but people reacted to me like they did in my pre-pheromone days. I think that pheromones are useless to me unless I go with a really high Androstenone dose that is not buffered too much. I spray of the edge buffered with IH 2X was apparently too weak for me.

I think I’m going to start going to the local bars with IJ in the future and throw caution to the wind. Having people react to me like they did in my pre-pheromone days sucks.

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Don’t let it get you down MT!

Have you ever heard of Confirmation Bias? Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sometimes you may just have an off night. I remember nights when the pheromones were not working as I thought, but in retrospect it was a number of factors. And I was shutting myself out of the picture. Remember, if there were no pheromones you would use your own natural ones and have to do the same thing, talk and meet new people. Which takes guts!

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More thoughts about last night - neighborhood bars

Last night I was at neighborhood bars instead of the typical meat market pickup scene type bars that I usually go to. The sexual mixes are great for the meat market type bars but I suppose they are not that good for local neighborhood bars that are more social and less about mating.

For these types of bars, perhaps I should drop the A314 and anone altogether and try to find some social mixes. The stand offish vibe of A314 is not bad for meat markets but is probably not what I need in the more social settings of neighborhood bars.

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Yeah, I heard of Confirmation Bias. I try to avoid that my being aware of what the baseline is of how people generally react to me with my natural pheromone signature. I typically look for deviations from that baseline. Last night, everything felt like my baseline. It definitely wasn’t a bad night. I enjoyed being out. It was just a typical weeknight out that would have happened with my own natural pheromone signature.

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Thursday night at a crappy nightclub that used to be good

Pheromones
1 Spray of Instant Jerk to Stomach
2 Sprays of TUTH to my sides
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists
No cover scent

Summary
Overall Effectiveness: Fair
Dance Floor Effectiveness: N/A
Quality of club Visited: Sausagefest, room with dance floor closed
Quantity of IOIs: few IOIs
Blatant Hits: 0
Approached by Women: 0
Successful cold approaches: 0
Failed cold approaches: 2
Makeouts: 0
Hookups: 0

Had one social hit that was unusual. A guy from Europe comes from behind me out of the blue, puts his arm around me, and starts chatting with me. Then his girlfriend comes out of the bathroom and he introduces me to the girlfriend and leaves her with me for a little while while he socializes with other people. So I chatted with his girlfriend until he came back.

Had one warm approach after an IOI that seemed like it was going really well. But eventually she asked me to buy her a drink so I’m not sure if she was flirting to get free drinks or if she was interested in me. ???

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Friday Night - the Hookup that almost happened

Pheromones
1 Spray of Instant Jerk to Stomach
1 Spray of P83 - 50 mcg to my tomach
1 Spray of IS to my back
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists
The Beat cover scent

Summary
Overall Effectiveness: Excellent
Dance Floor Effectiveness: Excellent
Quality of bar Visited: Excellent - always get multiple hits at this place
Quantity of IOIs: Countless
Blatant Hits: Many
Approached by Women: 0
Successful cold approaches: few
Failed cold approaches: 0
Makeouts: 0
Hookups: 0

The hookup that almost happened
I met this girl who was instantly attracted to me big time. My brain didn’t freeze like it usually does so everything was going really smoothly. She was all over me and after about 1/2 hour of flirting we had agreed to go back to my place since she lives on the Jersey shore which is too far away. She wanted me really badly. Then…

Jersey Shore Girl: “One thing. I’m not a one night stand girl, I’m looking for a relationship.”
Me: “Well, relationships are not my strong point.”
Jersey Shore Girl: “That’s okay. We can still have fun tonight.”
Me: Cool
Jersey Shore Girl: “Wait a second! What do you mean by relationships are not your strong point?”
Me: “I don’t do relationships.”
Jersey Shore Girl: “Forget it then!”

At this point she angrily walks away from me over to her sister (who had already approved of me) and I’m just standing there stunned. I was not alone for long because almost immediately a group of three girls came within inches of me and were all giving be IOIs but I was in no mood to interact with anymore women at that point.

I’m thinking this didn’t make any sense. She lives over 2 hours from me so it would be impossible to have a relationship. She obviously wasn’t thinking logically at that moment.

Random Notes

  • My results may have been skewed by the venue. I always got hits at this place and I even got hits at this place before I started using pheromones. (Much fewer hits without pheromones though.)
  • I dropped IH from my mix. There was one weekend in the past where I got a lot of compliments from women while wearing IH but that hasn’t happened since. It must have been a fluke. :frowning:
  • The tractor beam was in full effect. Women seemed to be pulled towards me like they were in a tractor beam.
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Bitten and Cast aside - Meatpacking District

Pheromones
1 Spray of Instant Jerk to Stomach
1 Spray of P83 - 50 mcg to my tomach
1 Spray of IS to my back
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists
The Beat cover scent

Summary
Overall Effectiveness: Excellent
Dance Floor Effectiveness: Excellent
Quality of bars Visited: Good
Quantity of IOIs: Many
Blatant Hits: 1
Approached by Women: 1
Successful cold approaches: 0
Failed cold approaches: 0
Makeouts: 1
Hookups: 0

Random Notes

  1. I think this is the most effective mix yet. IS seems to work better than IH but I did get a really strong hit during a previous weekend with IH instead of IS as the anone buffer. But I think this mix is more consistent.
  2. I have MX301, MX302, MX352, TAC, MEO-EST, CTTM2, and P93 that I need to test. I think I’m going to stick with Instant Jerk/A314 as a base and try to find out how each of these products affects the base mix.

Best Hit
This turned into a long posting but I think the pheromone combo led to a situation that never happened to me in my pre-pheromone days. So I decided to describe it in detail. Basically two girls ended up competing with each other for me. I hope it didn’t strain their friendship but it was a huge boost to my ego. :slight_smile:

I enter a nightclub and immediately go to the dance floor without ordering a drink. Within a couple of minutes two girls appear in my line of site about 15 feet in front of me. One of them is an edgy New Yorker with a lip ring and a sexy mini skirt. The other one was her friend from Austria who was conservatively dressed and leaving the next day.

So the girl with the mini skirt comes over and confidently takes my hand. She brings me back to where her friend is standing and the three of us are dancing in place. Then she starts to grind me and realizes that I don’t know what I’m doing. She starts to give me dancing lessons and explains that when a woman is grinding on you, you are supposed to grind back. She continues to rub her body against me and correct my dancing mistakes. Finally she says, “You are really hot but you have no rhythm.” She casts me aside to her friend from Austria and finds another guy to dirty dance with.

I start talking to the girl from Austria and she immediately takes a liking to me. We talk for a while and eventually go to the bar. We spend the next 30 or 45 minutes together talking, kissing, and dancing. We end up in an empty booth upstairs and i have my around the Austrian girl as we talk.

The girl with the miniskirt eventually comes by with a guy and starts dancing in front of us. Eventually she ditches the guy she is dancing with and starts talking to her friend. Then she pulls me out of the booth and starts grinding against me. As she talks, she moves her lips really close to mine and she rubs my crotch with her hand while the Austrian girl is watching.

The Austrian girl comes out of the booth and the miniskirt girl tells me to go downstairs and dance with another girl. Then she talks to the Austrian girl for a few minutes while I’m just standing there. I’m feeling very unwanted at the moment. I tap the Austrian girl on the shoulder and tell her that I’m going downstairs. She grabs my arm and says, “I’m coming with you”. So we go downstairs to the bar area and leave the miniskirt girl behind.

At the bar area, I continue to talk to the Austrian girl and I eventually ask her if she wants to bring me back to her hotel room. She says, “Maybe if I wasn’t sharing a hotel room with my mother.” Since she was traveling with her mother and leaving the next day I realized that a hookup was logistically impossible. But she wanted to dance and didn’t mind my lack or coordination so I went to the dance floor with her.

At one point we are dancing and we both have our arms around each other. The miniskirt girl comes behind the Austrian girl where the Austrian girl can’t see her and she is dancing with another guy. She slaps my hand and I don’t react so she slaps my hand even harder and I give her a confused look. The guy that she is dancing with must have been confused as well. But I continue dancing with the Austrian girl.

The miniskirt girl stops dancing with the guy she is dancing with and gets the Austrian girl’s attention. Then she pushes the guy she was dancing with into the Austrian girl and tries to get them to dance with each other. They both comply and start dancing together.

Then she grabs on to me and starts grinding me again and rubbing her body into me. She says again, “You really hot but you have absolutely no rhythm.” I tell her that I like her lip ring and she responds, “It’s great for blowjobs but you are not going to find out since you have no rhythm.” I don’t respond. I just shrug my shoulders and stay quiet.

Then she starts getting very sensual with me and bites my neck an holds on to the skin with her teeth. I am completely taken by surprise and yelp out in pain in an embarrassing way. She just looks at me shakes her head in disappointment and walks away.

A little while later she comes up to me and asks if I’ve seen her Austrian friend and I told her no. My guess in the Austrian friend got pissed at her and just left. I will never know.