I’m 36 years old and I’ve played with pheromones for a couple of weeks now. It’s time that I become more disciplined about logging my results and to focus my goals.
Without pheromones people perceive me nice and harmless. They see me as someone who would be a good family man, a good father, and a good husband. People who meet me instantly think I am very reliable person they can trust. The problem with this is that I really don’t want to get married or have children.
My biggest “problem” is that I attract women who are ready to get married and have children. Even if I tell them up front that I don’t want to get married and have children, they don’t believe me. I’ve even been told things like, “you are the type of guy who wants to get married, you just don’t know it”. I end up having short relationships with these women but then when they realize that in fact I’m not a marriage type of guy, it becomes messy.
Here are my goals with pheromones:
To be perceived as less harmless when people meet me.
To be perceived as more masculine.
To be perceived as more edgy and polarizing.
To attract fewer women who are looking for marriage/children.
To attract more women who are just looking to casually date and have fun.
I want more of a “player” vibe and less of a “gentleman” vibe.
Besides pheromones, I have been working out at the gym. I’ve been doing cardio (interval training) 3 times a week and weight lifting 3 times a week and I’m developing a nice body. I’m not a muscle man by any stretch of the imagination but my body is definitely better than most guys my age. I still have a little bit of a gut but it’s almost gone.
Also, without pheromones, I tend to attract women between the ages of 22 and 36. I don’t know if pheromones will change that age range at all.
A married woman told me, “You would do better at a coffee shop”
Last night I went to a bar with a couple of friends and a married couple that I never met before. Since I went out with people I knew I used a more conservative pheromone mix.
1 Spray of Instant Openess to my Throat
2 Sprays of Instant Openess to my wrists/arms
1 Spray of TUTH to my stomach.
We were in our group hanging out most of the time but near the end of the night I wanted to give the pheromones a test. There was a group of three girls just hanging out and talking that caught my interest.
So, I walk up to the girls and introduce myself. They instantly become friendly to me and we talk a little bit for a few minutes. After a few minutes I realize that the girls are enjoying chatting with me but none of them are physically attracted to me. So I politely excused myself and returned to my friends.
My friends asked me how it went and I told them that none of the women in that group were into me. At that point the married women in the group told me that I’m not the kind of guy that will attract a women in a bar. She told me that I would do much better coffee shop.
Oh well. I think I defiantly need more -none in my mix to add more of an edge to me.
Metal … it may be that you are relying too heavily on your pheromones
and possibly trying to push them into projecting the vibe you say you want to present.
To ‘seat’ of what you say you want to become or at least be seen as rests in that area between your ears. If you aren’t walkin the talk of a player it’s highly unlikely that any amount of pheromones will help.
Not sure which of the products you own but you might consider I-Jerk & mx292 to start with. See how those affect you - test 'em out a little then move into some that more -none based.
Even then it’s your attitude + whether or not you act your attitude.
You may want to try a different application point for the Turn Up The Heat for effective diffusion. You could also use another spray, try and find your sweet spot. Instant Openness does put people in chatty overdrive, however, they are easily led.
I went to one of my local bars last night so I wore a conservative mix that I know won’t put people off.
1 Spray of Instant Openess to my Throat
1 Spray of Instant Openess to my wrists/arms
1 Spray of Turn Up The Heat to my stomach.
While the female bartender was serving me a drink, she paused and said, “What’s that smell.” I don’t think she was referring to me or my scent but I don’t know for sure. I wondered if it was the pheromones but I talked to her many times during the night and it never came up again. Another consideration is that I used to talk to her before I wore pheromones so I wonder if she detects a difference in my scent.
I talked to a married couple I know for quite a while but they have always been chatty even before I started wearing pheromones so it’s hard to tell if instant openness contributed to this.
The guy to the right of me started talking to me out of the blue. He chatted and I listened to him for quite a while. I have noticed that more people chat away when I wear Instant Openness compared with before I started wearing it although it did happen occassionally without pheromones.
The interesting hit came later in the night. There was a guy and a girl at the far right of the bar socializing with a number of people at the bar. But I never spoke a word with them because I was busy talking to the people around me the whole time. So the guy/girl gets up and says bye to the people they were talking to but completely ignore me since I never spoke to them. After they walked past, the guy decides to go to the bathroom and the girl moves back and stands right behind me. Then she puts her hand on my back with a slight sensual rub. I turn around and she introduces herself to me. Then she asks me a few rapport questions and asks for my facebook info. She gets a pen from the bar staff and I write down my facebook info. She tells me that she doesn’t live in the area and she is leaving tomorrow but she wants to hang out when we get back. It’s very clear that she is very attracted to me. She writes her phone number and name on another napkin and then gives me a hug before she leaves. I was going to text her my number when I got home but I lost the napkin she wrote her number on at some point in the night before I got home.
Number is gone. I think I might have left the napkin on the bar and the bartender might have cleared it when I wasn’t paying attention. But I’m not really 100% sure what happened to the napkin.
I should have stayed in because it was a work night but I really wanted to play with my new toys, especially the Jerk. Last night I went to an after-work party in Manhattan and I got there around 9PM.
I arrive at the lounge and the party is is full swing. The dance floor is completely packed so I go to the bar area and order a drink. I just stand there sipping my drink and casually observing the crowd looking for IOIs.
I notice this girl about 10 feet in front of me with a medium length black dress and I instantly found her to be attractive. I saw her look at me but she was really subtle about it so I wasn’t sure if it was an IOI or not.
I walk up to her and compliment her on her dress and she is immediately interested so the look she had given me was in fact an IOI. A conversation naturally follows and she presses her body into me when she talks to me so it’s 100% clear that she is interested in me. It turns out that she will only be in the area until the end of the weekend and I’m not going to be around on Sunday so there is not much time for us.
We end up spending the next 5 hours together and we are getting along great. She was there with her friend and another guy. The four of us left the place and went to another lounge. We spent many hours just sitting on a couch together and with our bodies leaned up together and her legs on top of mine.
We had a few little kisses during this time but it was clear that she is very conservative and doesn’t randomly hook up with guys. (Or that is what she wanted me to believe.) She was definitely comfortable with me so the -none in the instant jerk was not putting her off. Her friend and the other guy were completely comfortable with me too and I even exchanged numbers with the guy to hang out with another time. So the IO and IH definitely did a good job buffering the Instant Jerk.
During the conversation she was asking me questions about my relationship patterns and it seemed like she was screening me as a potential boyfriend. This doesn’t make sense since she lives on the other side of the country. I make it clear with my answers that I’m not into LTRs and she is surprised by that. She tells me that I seem like the type of guy who wants to be a husband. ARGH!!!
At around 2AM, we all split up and went home. We looked at each other, had a tiny little kiss, and parted ways. At this moment it was still 100% clear we were both attracted to each other. We tentatively decided to hang out this weekend.
Definitely a fun evening though I’m paying the price for staying up late last night. I wouldn’t be able to make it through the day without nodoz.
The thing that is dissapointing to me is that I’m still coming across as harmless even with all the -none in the Instant Jerk. I am so tempted to try 2 sprays of instant jerk but that will probably be an instant OD.
At 35 you could probably pull of 2 or MAAAAYBE 3 sprays of IJ. You can always buffer with other pheromones.
I think its great that you’ve come this far and are into self improvement, I think you should definitely read Neil Strauss’ “The Game” if you have the chance. I see similarities between you and Mr. Strauss
At 36, I can use around 30mcg plus of -none with no problems. Use plenty of socials ( at least a 2:1 ratio) and you’ll do fine. Pherophreak has been known to use 100mcg -none and he’s still a babe in arms.
As mikotorocks says in his sig strip, don’t be afraid of the Jerk, you control it, not the other way round. Fortune favours the bold
If the jerk doesnt do it with you ( don’t forget smartmones recommend 4-6 sprays IO to one of jerk!) one of my favourite mixes is this
3xA314
4xIH
3xShine
3x heavy ammo (15mcg none straight away)
If things are getting hot, then I’ll top that off with 2-3xTUTH, that’s another 5-7.5mcg -none. Yes, it works
I definitely want to try higher levels of -none to see what happens. I was also thinking of going heavy on the -none without buffering to see what happens. But now that I think more about it, that is probably not a good idea.
Last night I went out again. The night started off with a bang but quickly deteriorated. I wore the following:
1 spray of TUTH on my stomach
1 spray of IH to my wrist
When I arrived at the nightclub it was pretty empty. Early in the evening, I was standing at the bar near a guy & girl talking to each other. The girl sees me and brings me into their conversation. Then she starts ignoring the guy and she seems attracted to me. Our bodies are touching as we are talking. She tells me that she is going to another place with that guy and she invites me to come along with them but I declined because the guy was trying to pick her up. We exchanged phone numbers. I think this is a pheromone hit because the girl approached despited being in an active conversation with another guy.
Early on, I got looks from a couple of women but I didn’t act on them. Then once the club started getting more crowded, I completely stopped getting signals all together. It seems like in crowded places, a stronger pheromone mix is required to stand out.
I cold approached several women and went down in flames every time. None of these women had any interest in talking to me at all. Before I started using pheromones I noticed a similar pattern. Women typically are more friendly to me early in the evening and become progressively less friendly as the evening progresses.
Everyone should try to OD on -none at least once, just so they know what to look for, go out unbuffered with a load on but beware, guys can get aggressive, especially when drunk.My advice, stay sober that night!
That does sound like quite an experiment. I’m toying with the idea of trying that tonight. I’m thinking of 2 sprays of IJ covered with cologne and also 2 sprays of TUTH. That would be 30mcg of -none.
Just recognise the fact that it may affect you as well, watch for signs of increased aggression or anger and bite down on them. Plus,there are ladies out there who will react very well to that amount of -none, particularly if you are still in control
Have fun, looking forward to hearing your results.
Thanks! If I get self-effects that will be a good thing for me. I’m way too passive and non-aggressive so I could use a bit of aggression and anger in my mix.
If women often seek you out as Mr Dad then I’m guessing you’re high in the main proponent of Instant Gentlemen (Alpha betanol?) and probably doing well in the -none department as there wouldn’t be a date without some sort of attraction eh?
Mones surely will help you, but dont forget to work on body language, language, etc.
Best of luck, im gonna stick around this thread for a while.
