No reactions yet from IS, IFM, IO, IH, TUtH or Ammo: what am I doing wrong?

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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I’ve not had any luck at all with any of the products I’ve bought so far. I have IS, IFM, Alpha, and I picked up some of the travel size of IO, IH, TUtH, and Ammo. No matter how little or how much I use in any combination or alone I don’t get any reactions. So either I’m very inattentive or I’m doing something wrong.

But, despite the apparent lack of success so far, I’m intending to buy another batch of a different pheromone. Haven’t decided yet which one but right now I’m taking a serious look at a double strength Ammo or CTTM2.

Before I buy anything or make a decision on what to buy when I do, I wanted to get some input.

I’ll give a little summary about myself again to save you all the trouble of hunting down where I’ve said this before :wink:

I’m 30 years old, 6 feet tall, and 220lbs. and I’d say I’m attractive and I have a well rounded personality. I’m a hell of a guy, just ask me, I’ll tell ya. :wink:

I’ve never married and have had very few relationships, but those I did have lasted far longer than they should have (young “love”, heh). So here I am at 30 with a sausage fest of a social life and doin my best to change that. My goal with pheromones is to ease interactions and if possible increase the likelihood of meeting new and interesting women. I want to “settle down”, so to speak. But I’m in no rush to get married either, I want to be sure we’re right for each other before making any big decisions.

But the first step is meeting women. The main reason I’ve had so few relationships is because I’m “picky”. It’s pretty much all or nothing with me. If you’re pretty and have a great personality but you smoke/drink/get high/have kids, I’m not interested (which sucks because pretty and interesting are a hard combo to find :stuck_out_tongue:). Or if you’re smart and funny but I have a hard time looking at you that’s not gonna work either.

My options are rather limited, mostly by my own choosing. I do not drink, smoke, do drugs, nor do I have any kids. I expect at least that much from the women I date and these days, that combination is just seemingly next to impossible. I also want to meet a girl who I find attractive (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) and is intelligent and has a good sense of humor.

The next obstacle is that I have a huge problem with the bar scene. It isn’t mine. So I’m extremely wary of meeting women at bars and similar environments. I’m not a party person or a thrill seeker. That’s not to say that I don’t like to have fun, just that I tend to be more of a laid back person.

Hmm… My summary has turned into more of an autobiography of my dating life, but whatever. ^_^;

Anyway, my first purchase was IFM soon followed by IS and Alpha. I tried many combinations of the three and even tried them alone with different doses. IFM, from what I’ve read and been told, is more of a female relaxant so any reaction from that would be rather difficult to notice.

IS and Alpha, however, should have a noticable effect but around the people I spend most of my time I have seen nothing. I know how these people react to me generally and when I use pheromones I don’t see any difference. They all smoke like chimneys though, and from what I’ve heard that can affect their receptiveness to the pheromones.

I then bought IO, IH, TUtH, and Ammo in to-go sizes to try them out. Unfortunately the only “hit” I got when trying them was a waitress at a bar (was playin pool with friends) and she was likely just looking for a tip. That same night I also got a very cold and rude reaction from another girl that I was just trying to make friendly conversation with while waiting for my friends. I was hoping she’d be talkative and play a few games with me until they arrived, no such luck. I’ve actually never had a woman react that badly to me in my life.

I’m out of Ammo and have very little IO and IH left (I don’t have much use for TUtH right now) and the others aren’t really producing what I would call results (at least that I’ve seen) so I’m wondering if I shouldn’t try something else.

I do notice one thing when using Alpha, people avoid me. I just recently noticed this and just now remembered it. I’ve tried adding IS in increasing doses to see if I can counter that effect a bit but it’s not working and I don’t feel like taking a bath in the stuff :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe I alreay give a feeling of “out of your league” to people and the Alpha intensifies it. I notice that waitresses don’t make a habit of checking on me much. I’ll go an hour or so between refills because I have to track down the waitress to get them to do it :stuck_out_tongue:

Looking around the room I see no one looking at me or giving any indication that I’m even in the room and those times that I do happen to see a girl looking at me she doesn’t do so for long and never again afterward. So maybe I’m giving off a big “scary” vibe or something else. Maybe I’m somehow giving a “creepy” vibe. T_T

So anyway, that’s the rundown of my situation. Any thoughts, questions, comments, suggestions, whatever, are welcome. :smiley:

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The way I see it, you know whats wrong with you, but you just don’t want to do anything about it. And you seem to be the ‘passenger’ in your life. You need to become the driver. What you need to do is become friends with as many people as you can (but you should still have standards for them, but not to high or you’ll look like an arrogant ass) and get contacts through them. If you’re not a ‘bar’ person, go somewhere else. Join some clubs/gyms/etc around your area. And smile :smiley:.

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Well you look cute.

Its kinda hard to tell if your doing something wrong because I dont know what you have done with each product.

How much was the most you wore at a time of each one ?

Did you wear more then one at a time ?

What enviroment did you wear them in ? Was the bar the only place ?

What kind of reactions where you hoping for or expecting.

IFM is hard to see in most cases on its own unless your around bitchy women.

A314 ups your status but you mostly have to do the approuching or at least look ope to them approuching. You would be wearing your “Im picky face” when you out without realizing it would you.

Make eye contact and smile more, have a open body stance. Just for testing purposes you dont have to date anyone you dont want to. First get mones to work then look for Miss right.

Try it around people you dont know as well. People closest to us know our natural mone sigs and have preconceived notions about us. It takes more time to reprogram those notions.

I cant suggest what to get until I know how you used what you had. The main thing is how many sprays and what you used with what>

Tisha

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Give up move to a high mountain and become a monk. That combo ain’t gonna happen unless you’re willing to rob cradles or date born again Christian virgins. The college I teach at is 60% women. Among these women 30% are single mothers, with the median age at 20. Judging from the percentage of students missing the day after 4/20 (stoner holiday for you OF), I’d have to say most are into drugs and/or alcohol. And these are smarter and more motivated women compared to the general population.

I suspect with such infinitesimally small odds of finding a “qualified” target to test your mones on, you’ll never know if anything works for you.

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seems it looks like that your a nice guy. but i get the feeling you are kind of tightly strung. Women dont like that much. There is no stronger turnoff than appearing desperate. The grass is greener on the other side all single guys want to be in a relationship and all married guys want to be on the prowl. It seems you know what you want that is good, but the answer is what the women want. i’d like the answeer to that. Maybe try instant jerk. It seems you know yourself very well and that you cannot change, You can change your appearance, dont appear desperate. My two cents hope i didnt offend. Good look on your search.:slight_smile:

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I’ve used the following:

Combo #1: IS x 3 (sides and front of neck), A314 x 3 (one behind each ear and one between wrists)

In addition to that I’ve tried between 1 and 4 sprays of IFM to the back of my neck. I’ve also varied the IS between 2 to 6 sprays and only varied A314 by adding two more drops around my neck.

Combo #2: IO x 2 (one side of neck), IH x 2 (opposite side of neck), Ammo x 2 (front of neck and chest), IS x 2 (back and front of neck)

With this combo I’ve tried varying the sprays of each but never more than 4 for any single pheromone. Also I should note that the majority of these are on my neck because it was winter and that was the most exposed part of my body. Now that the weather has warmed up I have sprayed some on my forearms as well.

I’ve also used some just by themselves with varied doses at different outtings; between 1 and 6 sprays when using a single one.

The environment I’ve used them in have been a bar I rarely visit (where that one chick was snippy with me), the bar at which I play on a pool league (I don’t “know” many people there), going out on day long shopping trips (mall, book stores, etc…), during birthday outtings with friends (usually a restaurant then some randomly decided activities).

Most of my experimentations have been done at pool league. I go two nights a week and I’ve tried (and mostly failed) to keep track of what mixtures I’ve used when on those nights. The second most common is when I go into town shopping around. Never know when I might run into a woman I’d like to talk to when I go out like that. Haven’t really paid close attention to weather conditions other than “damn it’s cold” though.

The only things I’ve noticed from my experiments at league are that the waitresses tend to avoid eye contact with me. I’m not really aware of what my expression is, in any situation really. So it could very well just be that I don’t look “open” enough. I do laugh and talk with my friends and the people I play pool with so it’s not like I just sit there with a constant dour expression on my face and scowl at anyone who gets near me, heh. But when I’m watching a teammate play I tend to focus on that and my “natural” facial expression is likely not that inviting. shrug I’ll have to ask one of my friends to pay attention to me when we go out and see if they notice anything I’m not paying enough attention to.

Regardless I don’t seem to get many people in general to make and keep eye contact with me. I noticed that a long time ago so I ended up developing a really stupid habit of breaking eye contact first to give them a more superior feeling or some such so they feel a little more relaxed to talk to me. I’ve been tryin to break that habit for a few weeks now and I’ve been doing good (few occasional slip ups) but now I’m back to having a lot of people avoiding eye contact. I try to smile before they look away but I’m usually not fast enough :confused:

When I do talk to people they tend to be receptive, haven’t had much trouble with that throughout my life so far. But it’s that initial “it’s ok to talk to me” thing that I can’t seem to get across. I’m always open to talking to someone but I’m not always open to starting it myself. And yeah I know, I’m a guy, I need to get over that.

Do further clarify that last, I mostly see women in two places, out shopping and at league. At league there aren’t many attractive women I want to date but I do enjoy talking to them and seeing if these pheromones affect them in anyway that I can see and count on later. But when I’m out shopping I feel like I’m bothering them if I talk to them. Maybe I’m just over thinking that or something but I’ve had more female friends than male friends growing up and I’ve had to listen to the countless stories of “some weirdo tried talking to me…” and I just don’t want to be that weirdo, ya know?

I also have no idea how to reassure a woman that I’m not a “knotch on the bedpost” kind of guy.

Eldros: I don’t see those things as what are “wrong” with me, I have no problem with the way I am. Just having trouble finding a good place to meet women with similar viewpoints and lifestyles.

Gegogi: I’ve met 6 women that fit those criteria. The problem with those women vary. Two moved off a long time ago before I grew the balls to ask them out. One is married, one is seeing someone and I know the guy and don’t wanna fuck things up for him. And I’m not the other two’s type, it happens and that’s fine. So in a small area where the only thing people have to do is screw each other and I’ve personally known 6, there are likely plenty more and if I eventually move to Houston I’m pretty damn sure I’ll find more :wink: Besides, I’m not looking for those exact specifications for women I want to wear pheromones around, just explaining what I’m looking for ultimately.

I recently joined the writers guild here and at the first meeting I attended there was one attractive woman and a bunch of much older women. I know nothing about that one woman though, she left before I realized it (was too busy gettin info from other members). Shame on me, right? heh. I wasn’t there to meet women, just turned out that I found one of the other members to be an attractive member of the opposite sex. Unfortunately the club only meets once a month. I did find out that she writes scifi like myself so there’s something I can talk to her about. I forgot her name though. :confused:

Aaaanyway, there’s some more info. Does that help? Is there anything else you need/want to know? Or are you ready for me to shut up already? :wink:

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Tisha asked some great questions and should have given you a few things to think about. Probably Gegogi too.

A little bit of both is usually the case with new users, epsecailly the inattentive or slightly socially unaware part with guys. Most of us have had to really learn to observe and think about what is going on around us to see the effects of the pheromones.

From your description you are a little big and that can come across as imposing if you do not smile a lot and come across as very friendly.

And depending on how your interactions go with those women who fail the smoke/drink/etc. test comes across or your demeanor, facial expressions and body language are when you are around people who are smoking, etc., picky can be interpreted as uninterested, sour, angry or snobbish to anyone who is around. Not just the smokers.

There is no telling what caused that but if you 'none dose was a little too high … that could do it. Or even if it was primarily Turn Up The Heat which can come across pretty strong.

Well, A314 plus personality or natural phero-signature can push people away. This can happen to me. Happened today. People were friendly as long as I stayed socially engaged with them but when I went silent they kept their distance. Well, one female actually moved closer once her husband left. I usually use Instant Shine or Instant Honesty to offset this.

The bottom line is that you now realize what was happening. This tells you three things. First, the pheromones do work. Second, you are having some trouble recognizing the signs when they are working but are only picking up on it later. Third, the alpha is intensifying something about your personality that pushes things away. I kinda guessed at earlier but you go into it next line:

I obviously do not know you but I might guess to say that there is something about your demeanor that may project this basic message even without the pheromones. Maybe it is the fact that you do not like bar scenes or do not care to be around smokers/drinkers/moms. My guess is that your body language and demeanor are projecting this and the pheromones will only enhance whatever you are projecting. They do not create an “all new” you.

Same as above. Be outgoing and friendly. They will respond the same.

99% of the time these products will not make the women flock to you while you just sit there. You have to interact, be engaging, friendly, smile, etc.. If you just stand around looking at women expecting the pheromones to bring them to you, you can give off a scary or creepy vibe. Being big will only intensify this effect.

Sorry - had to run.

Don’t get me wrong - I am not trying to be harsh by any means. You said that your relationships tend to last a long while so obviously you have a lot going for you. You just have to look at what you are initially projecting to people with and without the pheromones in order to get to the point where you can develop a relationship.

As far as the next round of pheromones go, I would recommend going back to the social products: Instant Shine, IO and/or IH. And probably some Ammo to round it out.

Read Tisha’s thread “What pheromones can do and can’t do” and Renny’s “Stupid Noobie Tricks”. Again if necessary.

Hope this helps some.

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Bosshank: Thanks a lot for the input. This all gives me a lot to think about. I definitely need to pay more attention to my interactions, facial expressions, and try to remember to smile.

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Merzikain, everyone that has contributed so far are some of the most experienced pherousers on here, so I’m not sure I can add much that hasn’t already been touched upon.

I pretty much agree with what’s been said, so I’ll just add my two cents real quick.

I would suggest that you forget about any “sexual” product for a month. Use “socials” for that month exclusively. Try Instant Openness and Honesty. Try some CTTM to contrast that with IO and IH. Instant Shine is more or less polish, so don’t worry about it too much atm. Actually, no I take that back, try IS by itself as well.

I think you’ll find that if you use the socials exclusively for a month, you will become much more approachable and more socially aware.

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You know, you are a very lucky guy! Tisha said you’re cute!:slight_smile: She never said that to me!

Buddy, sometimes we have to accept people as how there are. People may have some weakneses and we have to tolerate in order to have a good long lasting relationship with them. We can’t just have high expectations for others to meet. People are not products where we need to have a QA & QC department. Normally, the absence of results are due to our personal attitude. We need to look at ourselves and find out why it doesn’t work.

Don’t despair, pheromones actually take time to “blend” with our body chemistry. Keep using it and you might see the results soon!:slight_smile:

Good luck to you!:slight_smile:

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If meeting women is your goal you have got to realize pheromones aren’t some magic spray that will make women fall all over you. You have to be congruent with the aura you are projecting by using pheromones. It’s very likely that you might have some internal issues you need to work out before you can get to the place you want to be. Your approach sounds like it might mix well with what is known as the “Mystery Method” which if your not familiar is a means to meet women developed by a pickup artist named Mystery. Anyway he wrote a book which is a really interesting read, I suggest you check it out. Also and while your at it check out just about anything by David Deangelo, he’s been known to deal with alot of the internal issues that will help guys meet attractive ladies.

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It’s really kind of hard to give anyone online a good impression of who you really are without a lot of conversation over a long period of time and even then there are going to be a lot of missing pieces. I feel like I’ve given a lot of you the wrong impression so far.

I’m not expecting pheromones to be a magical “get the girl” type thing. I see them more as enhancements to existing qualities than something to create those qualities where they may not exist. Once people start talking to me they see that I am easy to get along with, fun to talk to, and interesting. I have a pretty healthy opinion of myself that has been reenforced by outside sources but I try to temper it with a healthy dose of reality.

The things that I say I am intolerant of in potential dates are limited strictly to smoking, drugs, and kids. I detest smoke. I try not to make any issue out of it around people who smoke, I’m not the guy who makes all kinds of noises and whiny/bitchy comments about it. I’m not gonna be around those people for that long. If I end up marrying a woman who smokes I’m gonna be a very unhappy person because it’ll ALWAYS be around me and it’s just something I can’t stand. Drugs I shouldn’t have to explain. As for kids, I may want kids someday but I DO NOT want a readymade family. Baggage like that is a huge turn off to me. Doesn’t stop me from being friendly and having that kind of relationship but I’d never consider dating them.

When it comes to physical beauty, that’s just a matter of opinion. All I was trying to say there was that physical attraction is necessary. Doesn’t mean I HAVE to date a super model (which interestingly enough I don’t really find many of those women remotely attractive anyway). A great personality can make a huge difference regardless how someone looks.

As for my “inner game”, I have my issues just like everyone else, no one is perfect. The things I can and want to change, I do. Those things I can’t, I try to work around or make them work for me another way.

I’m going to try the IO and IH pheromones alone and try to pay closer attention to the face I show the world from now on. I think some of you were right in that I may not be presenting myself as approachable even if I am completely open and ready. Hopefully I’ll get a handle on what I’m doing wrong in that area and, who knows, maybe that’ll be the only issue.

SoulCreator: I’m very familiar with David D. He and a lot of the guys and girls he talks to are helpful and definitely go a long way to making you think about things you’d otherwise overlook. A lot of the things they’ve talked about has helped me fix a lot of issues I’ve had in the past (I’ve not always been an awesome and charming man-of-every-girls-dreams, heh). :smiley:

Mecca: I don’t consider myself high strung or desperate, but that doesn’t mean that I may not be miscommunicating that by mistake anyway. I’m in no rush to get married or even jump into a serious relationship. I’m just not looking for a one night stand. I want to build something lasting and that doesn’t happen over night. And even if I think she’s right for me that doesn’t mean she’ll feel the same about me. That’s reality and I’m fine with that even if it does suck. I’d rather be single than to be in a relationship where neither of us are happy. Which is mainly why I’m still single.

So given all this so far, what do you guys think is the verdict? Should I avoid pheromones for now and just focus on making sure I’m presenting myself correctly first? Or should I work on presenting myself properly WHILE experimenting with the pheromones?

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Btw, I’ve been meaning to share this though it’s not dating related, just pheromone related.

I wear A314 a lot around the office. There are two new guys at work, one of whom I’m not really all that fond of. He has a personality that tends to grate on my nerves if I’m around him too long. I am mostly cold toward him but I try not to be rude. I just don’t want to invite him to talk to me all the time like he does everyone else.

I notice that when I wear A314 he doesn’t really talk to me (win \o/) but when I don’t he attempts to talk to me more frequently. When I do wear A314, I sometimes “throw him a bone” by making some innane small talk so he doesn’t get the impression that I hate him or anything (I don’t, I just don’t enjoy our conversations). When I do that it’s amazing to see the way he reacts. He’s a lot more animated when he talks during those times than when he talks to me without the A314.

It could be the pheromones but it could also be that he’s desperate for someone to talk to. Who knows for sure.

The other guy doesn’t seem to react any differently to me regardless of what I’m wearing so I’m thinking it may just be that other dudes personality at work more than the pheromones.

Another related issue, this other guy, an older dude with a kind of cynical outlook, tends to be more upbeat and talkative when I wear IS to work. At first I thought that was coincidence but I started paying closer attention and noticed he was only reacting like that on those days I work IS. A314 didn’t do much more than keep him from being like that whenever I was around until I initiated the convo. Once I said “Hey man, how’s it goin?” or some such he’d start talkin about all kinds of stuff where when I do so without wearing anything he’d just give a terse response that left no room to continue a conversation.

So I have seen reactions from the pheromones, just not from the opposite sex. Which leads me to believe I’m just not seeing the signs or it’s all because of my outward appearance (the “unapproachable” thing).

Just thought I’d share that.

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Hey MerZikain, I’ve looked over this thread 2 or three times and thought I’d take a stab at your original question. I think you should give the 2x AMMO and CTTM2 a try. Get the 30ml bottle of AMMO and just use it as your cologne for a while. It’s a nice cologne and isn’t a lot more expensive than a good dept store brand.

CTTM2 is perfect for your league night. Take it with you. don’t wear it for the first part of the night and then duck out, put some on, walk around for a minute to dry down the neroli and then go back in. I think you’ll start getting a feel for it by doing that. If you’ve got any IO or IH left from your togos try it with them and wear 5-6 sprays. I think you are probably on the cusp of figuring it out. Keep going. :slight_smile:

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Ok so the other night I went to league and when I got there I went into the bathroom and put on the rest of my IO and IH and freshened up my IS. Total there was like 3 sprays each of IO and IH and I had probably the equivalent of 3 of IS.

Those coupled with me paying attention to whether or not I was smiling more made for an interesting night. Everyone was noticably more talkative with me and in one case this chick wouldn’t shut up. She came in with a friend of mine and she was a waitress there as well so I decided to talk to her. I wanted to know more about what was going on between my friend and her but I also wanted to see what she had to say about one of the cuter waitresses. My God I shouldn’t have done that. The rest of the night she wouldn’t stop talking to me and about EVERYTHING! O_o

I imagine part of that was just her personality but with the other factors she just got annoying. I just smiled and bore through the whole mess until league was over. But the moral of the story is that apparently I’m figuring things out. I’ve obviously not been smiling enough and I really need to pay more attention to that above all else. But with the pheromones I think I’m going to go with some more IO and IH and then go from there.

Thanks for all the advice and such everyone! :smiley:

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I agree with Renny, consider getting something with some 'none to it; Ammo seems a good place to start.

Instant openness and instant honesty are what they consider social pheromones which means the chicks might find you friendly but not necessarily attractive on a sexual level. Adding some 'none to your mixes will definitely amp up your sexual mojo.

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See there you go, all you had to do was smile. Even though the girl got annoying at least you got to see how the mones work and over time you will get better at it.

Dont worry about finding miss right, just go out have some fun with your mones and she will show up when she is supposed to. You are picky but hey your the one who is gonna have to live with her once you find her so may as well look for what you like.

I havnt :confused: :confused:, I could have sworn I sang happy birthday to you in my best Marilynn online imitation. Hmmm Ok Mohammad, your smokin :wink:

Tisha

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Ha!Ha! How could I forget the most beautiful moment in my life!:smiley:

You know Tisha, the word “beautiful” exists is because of there are people like YOU around!:wink: :slight_smile:

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Speaking of which, Tisha, your avatars are getting much more…how shall we say? Visually interesting? All sorts of textures, patterns and grains to look at with your newest avatar. :stuck_out_tongue:

Having a lot of fun with it, I assume. :smiley: Lookin’ good, though I know you don’t need me to tell you. :slight_smile: