Quirk,
have you tried high-dose P86 with Androstenone? I am talking 50 mcg or more at a time with some Androstenone. That’s how much Tacitus uses and he seems to be saying it is a great mellower (see below). Does P86 on its own still make you feel ‘jangly’ or is it comparable to TAK for you as a mellower? Have you tried lower doses at all with P86 on its own and with -None - maybe 50 mcg is too much for you as per your post below?
PheroQuirk:
“Hmmm… 50mcg (applied midway thru day on prev-applied base of A314 and Shine). Jangly, tuned in more than usual to stress of family getting ready for christmas guests. Not much anxiolytic there at all for me on this occasion. Some sense of distancing too.”
Tacitus:
“…with the acceptance mix, maybe the the balance of 50 mu of p86 makes it behave… no probs whatsoever…”
Tacitus:
“…I’ve found P86 to be a superb mellower of situations, others have had different results…”
Tacitus:
" P86 is not exactly TAK… my opinion is that it feels better, “rounder”, quite soothing… it might serve well as an buffer when you want calm erotocism versus too stoked up passions running amok"
Tacitus:
"Ah, yessss… P86… well, kids, P86 is kind of a super TAK… it isn’t an energizer or an erotociser… it IS a very consistent sedative or calmative pheromone… sometimes I actually use it as a sleep aid.. it won’t make you sleepy directly, it will substantially quiet you down… very centering… anti-anxiety… I’ve always thought of P86 as the Prozac of pheromones… "
Tacitus:
“… BTW P86 can be useful as a social level headed -pheromone… it seems to reduce aggression and spontaneously inappropriate behavior…”