I was wearing 1.5 sprays of ammunition (reg) and nothing else and went to the mall to go xmas shopping back in 06’. So after getting the stuff, I went to the cashier which was all woman and they seem to not like talk to me or just have this look down face on them…why? 
Well, i got fucked over once when i was wearing Turn Up The Heat around a bunch of cashiers, they insulted me. When one re saw me at the club she told me to fuck off, i fingered her. I was pissed as hell when i left the store. I was wearing 1 x Turn Up The Heat regular. I wanted to go back with instant honesty, mx102/A314 the next day and complain to the boss to get revenge. Ammunition has androstenone just like Turn Up The Heat, it can piss off women when they not ovulating. Pisses white women even more. Black women are less pissy when u wear Turn Up The Heat at a bad time i noticed.
I want revenge. If i see one, i’ll get the door man to boot her out by telling him she is selling cocaine. (Because the door man sells cocaine LOL, she is dead, btw, cocaine is shit)
ya same with me…i was so piss when they didnt say hi or smile or anything using ammo alone..its like im not welcomed here. i guess ill try a mix with IS and ammo together and see.
anyways lol wear a bunch of TUTH then go to the cashier and see how more do they get pissed off.
Someone set up us the bomb!
(Sorry couldn’t resist)
Anyway, I’d recommend wearing something to try to offset the negative effects of the -none. Though beforethat, I’d also recommend not wearing -none in a situation such as this, where it’s not particularly appropriate or useful. Instant shine or instant openness I think would have the effects you were looking for in this case.
lol
Pilot, if I remember correctly, you’re a little younger right? As such your natural andostenone production could already be pretty high, and you could be over-doing it with ammo.
Whatever the case is, I’d test ammunition a bit more to get more conclusive results. If you consistently see the same negative type of results, tone down on the ammo, and mix it with something like IO.
I would just like to remind androstenone users that it seems to me to be the only pheromone that lends itself to build-up…on clothing,shirts,skin,hair…
wearing it every day, I cannot see how someone can avoid an angry/irrate reaction eventually.
Ovulation may play a part, but surely every woman is not on the same cycle. Androstenone does not anger me when I am not ovulating. All it does (galpals agree) is make me indifferent.
Charm here still plays a part,and being charming when someone is indifferent (or even upset for any reason) is definately taking the higher road.
It may not be all about you; there are several reasons people can assume a negative stance, and if you are a walking androstenone machine you can turn it around and appear the protector by behaviour.
make it a positive using the masculine qualities women crave.
Use A314 instead for a few days.
She gives good advice.
I’ve found that with androstenone, the highly positive results come will come with the negative effects as well. Often whether somone reacts in a more positive manner or a more negative manner depends highly on how you present yourself, and how you’re socially positioned with someone. Strangers or people who are otherwise socially uncomfortable or guarded around you typically don’t react to high doses of androstenone well. It can be overbearingly ‘tense’ and people will freeze up in a socially and emotionally defensive mode = they’ll become indifferent.
People who are comfortable around you socially and sexually will respond better to high doses of androstenone. They feel more open to you and the effects of androstenone, and will take up less of a defensive stance. Carrying yourself in an open, inviting manner…being the first to lower your social barriers, can more quickly make someone feel socially, and yes sexually, comfortable around you. This will more quickly allow women to open up to the more positive effects of androstenone. This is why androstenone works best went used in conjunction with social and comfort pheromones…they help open people up and make them more responsive to the otherwise intimidating/awkward effects.
OD levels of androstenone are often impossible to work with though…no matter how open and inviting you try to be. Its a highly frustrating situation when it happens.
The trick to androstenone is to find an appropriate amount for you that creates an effect that is sexually tense and exciting, without being overbearingly intimidating. Often I find myself treading a very thin line between the two while wearing androstenone, and it isn’t always worth it. Even if you are able to manage the negative effects, wearing so much androstenone that it makes things much harder for you (rather than making things easier) seems like an inefficient use of pheromones.
I am still of the opinion that androstenone is “overrated” and over used. Far better to go for social and comfort (IOpenness, IFM, etc).
But that’s me.
i agree, actually.
My first -none explicit product (which excludes what little might be in A314 whitecap for example) was not until my fourth order.
When I was relatively new to pheromones and you would have asked me what would be best to wear when you walk down a dark street and some dangerous looking guys come your way, I would have said: Huge amounts of androstenone! I had this idea that they would perceive me as superior and not bother me.
BIG MISTAKE of cause. But it took me some time to really understand this. I have proof over and over that you need huge amounts of androstenol and this could save your life in a threatening situation. Androstenone could get you killed.
Yeah I was big on androstenone before too. A lot of my early mixes from back in the day were spiked with really high doses of none…usually NPA. The consistency of those mixes were very much a hit or miss. I still think its a great pheromone when used in the right context, but given the negative effects, there are often better routes to go than an all out with your balls out none barrage.
Androstenone has gotten the reputation of being 'the sexual pheromone. As such, many people seem to disregard the sexual qualities of something a little more easy going ie androstenol, androstedienone. You see a lot of this on Love Scent. Lucky for us here, we have such a vast array of pheromones to play with, many which have some tasty sexual effects.
The androstenone in ammunition and TUTH is far more manageable and consistent though…thanks most likely to the careful addition of complementary pheromones and ingredients.
I agree, Sigma. I still love androstenone and still use it. It’s very hard to get the dosage right but when it’s right, I get the strongest results. I will stand out, good or bad. When I am in the right mood it’s even fun to notice how people are avoiding me. But of cause it’s more fun to be in the center of it all. I never use it in any risky situations, where good and friendly relationships are important. NEVER EVER.
The only real consiscency I get is with certain girlfriends (not all). In two relationships (a past one and my current one), I can increase sexual arousal almost measurably (as in wetness) like flipping a switch when I put on androstenone, with the best effects still from The Edge. Turn Up The Heat is softer, but works with less potential side effects on others.
The two girls with the consistent results from TE are both taking the pill. The other girls (where the results are not consistent) are not taking the pill. This may or may not be coincidence.
I very much agree also.
In the past, walking around with NPA / PI during the day was so unproductive. I either appeared as if I was wearing some sort of voodoo juice because I was literally a chick magnet, or I was OD’d and scaring everyone away.
I’m really glad this place has more balanced pheromones with more consistent effects. With LS products it’s either you go out and “bam” get girls flocking to you, or you get people repulsed. They’re mostly androstenone crazy over on LS.
Lately I’ve been using mostly Instant Openness (standalone), and I don’t get what you would call “hits” but it definitely makes people around me relaxed. Strangers start conversations, and it seems like it gets girls who are already finding me attractive a lot more relaxed and easy to talk to. I’m thinking it can have sexual effects too. I haven’t really used much androstenone Androtics stuff yet, but I have to say I’m very impressed and satisfied with the effects of Instant Openness.
Let’s hear about what amounts of androstenone work best for you guys.
Yeah in the past I measured the effects of the pheromones by the number of ‘hits’ I would get. ie how many DIHL’s I got, how many girls seemed ‘hot and bothered’ etc etc etc. You still see a lot of this on Love Scent. Androstenone works really well at illiciting these type of responses, but often the real benefit of these responses is left up to the interpretation of the user (me). A lot of times these responses weren’t necessarily good.
When you start measuring the effectiveness of pheromones based on actual progressive results…actual communication, attraction…actually getting anywhere with women, androstenone isn’t practical for everyday use. It might bring the DIHL’s and make women hot and bothered, but what does it matter if these responses don’t get you anywhere. What good does it really do you when these type of effects actual hinder you getting anywhere with women?
It does work well in bars and clubs, for sex mixes, and for women already open and comfortable with you, though. It can work wonders in these situations.
To answer catlord’s question…my current ideal amount of androstenone nowadays is 2 sprays of Turn Up The Heat for everyday use…thats quite a big difference from my older mixes which centered around 2 DROPS of NPA lol. I do bust out Primal Instinct occasionally, but only when the time is right. For me the two sprays of TUTH is enough to spark an attractive, attention grabbing amount of sexual tension…without being overbearingly none-like
I think the concept of TUTH itself is drastically different from the old Love Scent NPA and PI mixes. TUTH is used to add a slight sexual spice (to turn up the heat) to an existing situation or mix…enough to illicit a sexual response without being overbearing. NPA and PI seem to overpower mixes a bowl people over with androstenone. This method works wonders when the time is right, but when the time isn’t right, it can do more harm than good.
I’ve elected to minimize -none. I did try and still have NPA, AE, Primal, etc, and DID (eventually) notice a DIHL or two. But I also noticed some severe “defensive” reactions especially from one female friend. Almost literally curled up in a ball.
Experimentation did show that -none “buffered” with other pheromones (eg I used a314 with Prinmal a couple of times) moderated teh ill effects, but it still got me nowhere.
I now concentrate on the “social” products like IOpen, IShine, IHonesty. I am still in a sense gettng “nowhere” sexually (I’m not really trying at the moment either), but feel I AM getting somewhere socially.
I have picked up some Ammo to play with. I did wear it a couple of times around Clearwater/Tampa over the holidays while I was there but Lor didn’t come out of nowhere to tackle me… (and beign with family most of the time otherwise meant more IOpenness and IShine, with a dab of IFM).
So essentially my preferred “dose” of -none right now is “near zero.” And I’m in my 50’s, type O. My age supposedly means lower -none production but my blood type may mean higher -none production so maybe it sorta balances out in some way.
There is nothing wrong with hits for many pheromone users. If they get you anywhere or not depends a lot on your game, but it sometimes seems really hard to behave consistently with a strong androstenone signature, unnaturally strong…
I would like to find ways of making the positive effects of androstenone more consistent. I find that they are not really more consistent when it is buffered with friendly pheromones. They seem just weaker.
When I only wear friendly pheromones, I can feel very weak sometimes, so I need some androstenone in my mixes. Which brings up the tricky dosage problem again.
You are damn right; finally somebody that makes sense about none.
That just opened my eyes even more.
Wow I agree with you guys completely…
I do think the reason why they are so obsessed over at LS about Androstenone is that there aren’t enough ‘alternative’ options. PI, NPA/TE, AE, APC have been around for years, and they are still talked about every day over there. Can’t the people over there understand that the people want something new and ‘sensual’ without -None.
With all the mixes here, we could definitely find something ‘sensual’ here without the hassle that comes with wearing ‘blatantly sexual’ Androstenone. At the moment, the following seem to be ‘sensual’ suspects for me: MX138, MX140, P79, P83, P93. On top of that, wear social/comfort mones, wear nice cologne, improve your ‘game’/social skills, dress well, and you are set. No need for the hit or miss nuclear weapon lol ANone.
I do feel ‘weak’ sometimes wearing the comfort/social products too but it is better to be a little ‘weak’ sometimes and get some consistent results and improvement to your situation, both socially and sexually.
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