Androstenone overdoses are no fun

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I’ve never been a highly experimental type when building mixes - I usually try to put on what “feels” right. Its a system that produces good results for me. There have been occasions where I carefully dose and test mixes, but I usually go for a more ‘inuitive’ approach to things. The problem with this particular approach to mixing, however, is that it creates a potential for careless mixes.

Careless mixes lead to a pretty bad none OD today. I started the day with a single (large) drop of PI, 3 sprays of alpha nol, and 2 drops of A314 mutant. Looking at that mix in retrospect, this mix really seems like a disaster waiting to happen. A couple of friends came by my place and we had pizza and drinks while watching comedy central. No big deal really.

A couple of hours later, I found myself at a karaoke bar with some friends. Lacking time to prepare a proper re-up mix, I threw on 3 sprays of AMMO on for convenience. I’ve had good results with high doses of none in bars and clubs in the past, and I was expecting to run into a ‘target woman’ so I wanted to up the none. Admittedly it was done carelessly, and then on out the OD effects took their toll.

Throughout the night I felt completely out of it, tired and unwilling to socialize, and I was somewhat outcasted by the folks out there. I did share a bowl of ramen with a friend, who started complaigning that someone smelled like BO. Knowing she had just gone to the gym earlier, I jokingly accused her, but I knew full and well where it was coming from.

My target for the night only spoke to me about hooking my best friend up with hers, but it was all rather stagnant. She commented on the fact that she was going to the phillipinnes, and the best thing I could come up to say was “don’t get kidnapped” lol. I usually do really well conversationally with women, especially when the mones are doing their thing, but that just went all wrong for me.

Lessons learned:

The effects of PI stick around for quite a while, and the effects can be quite unstable. The effects will last long enough to create a synergistic effect with rapidly converting alphanol (to more androstenone)

The Androstenone in AMMO is by no means ‘weak’. I can wear high doses of none (up to 3 drops) and have really great results when the times right. I never expected to OD after adding the AMMO in. I was certainly wrong.

A314 mutant can have a lasting effect as well…couple that with additional rone from AMMO, and you can expect a lot of avoidant behavior in casual settings.

Ironically I knew most of this already…just careless mixing do to lack of time to really prepare led me to grabbing whatever I saw first. Bad move. No matter how experienced we get, never get careless!!

Anyway, its late as hell, and I’m about to hit the hay just as some of you are probably about to wake up.

What is all of this?
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Ah, the obligatory “Whoopsie!” overdose. It happens to all of us. :slight_smile:

I wholeheartedly agree with your premise. None overdoses suck. But you had to know that Ammunition wasn’t weak. It may be 2.5 mu/spray of 'none, but come on… this is MHarris 'none here!

How stable is PI by itself?

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What you could do is make a mone mix that is possible for every occasion. Something more light, like IS, CTTM2 and a hint of a314.

This can be used on almost every occasion. Of course the effects are totally different than with your original mix buy you still got mone-powerrrrrr :wink:

Your story does remind me to the time (already a little bit drunk) I put more mones on… Terrible, never felt more alone in a bar.

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Yeah, don’t drink and mone! I did that one night too. Very not good.

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I drink and mone all the time. Its good fun, as people are far more open with the effects of mones when they’re drunk…so long as you don’t overdo it. Round 2 tonight. I’ll take the time out to apply my variation of your seduction mix. Works like a charm.

I had the bottle in my pocket, and I was a little bit tipsy…maybe a little too confident in my ability to keep myself together while wearing an all out none-barrage.

I’ve had mixed results with PI. I’ve had some good experiences, a few bad, and quite a few dud days. I like PI because the slow diffusion of the carrier oil allows it to last for a good while - this contributed quite a bit to my OD, but I never stopped to consider that (screw up on my part). NPA is a far more effective product IMO, but I’m running out and trying to conserve it. When it runs out I’ll probably pick up some TUTH.

I’ve re-applied with ammunition on other occasions with good results…usually I do it if I’m going out right after work, where I would not have been wearing any androstenone anyway.

This could have all been avoided if I stopped and took the time to really think about what I was putting on. But I had no time, my pheromone kit was in the car, and I was downright lazy lol.

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I’ve done this in the past, and it really works well as a re-application. I’d build a mix without none for re-applications, under the assumption that the none from converted old mixes should hold over.

ODing at a bar is a pretty bad experience. You really do feel alone and outcasted - not the more attractive position to be in a bar or club setting. But it does put things into perspective, and really allows you to appreciate the positives to mone use. After using them for a while, you tend to grow too accustomed to them, and forget the impact that they can have. An OD experience puts things back into experience - it reminds you that this stuff really has an effect on people, even if it isn’t always pleasant

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PI must be really strong. I’ve put on 2 drops A314, about 5 dabs NPA, 3 sprays IO and 3 sprays IH with only good effects.

I’ve also did about 10 sprays of the new Ammunition (1.5) with only positive effects.

I found I can usually recover from an OD by adding massive amounts of friendly mones.

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Yeah it is. The OD I had was likely a product of the PI, alphanol conversion to more none, and the addition of AMMO.

I’ve had minimal, if any negative effects from the stuff offered here. Worst I’ve seen is a slight depression from IFM.

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I see PI as the thug of all mones … you can’t get away with treating it just any ol’way … it’s spoiled and it’s tuff; and if you don’t respect it, it will let you know you’ve screwed up. :open_mouth:

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When you think or realised you have a pheromone OD, run run run to the nearest rest room and wash 'em away.

Don’t think you’re wasting mones this way. You’re wasting even more by letting the effects linger.

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What I meant was, “Don’t apply pheromones when you’re drunk.” That is always a mistake in my humble experience.

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Yes I completely agree. I also think it is best when applying something risky like -None to spray it on a relatively small surface area. That way you can wash it off easily with soap in the bathroom if need be instead of having to have a full shower for example to get the stuff off.

Visionary

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Oh yeah definately. I learned my lesson :slight_smile:

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Last time I applied pheromones while I was drunk, I applied about 4 times too much. lol

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Would a strong dose of TAC (warmth/hilarity) & P74 (camaraderie/cohesiveness) counter the abrasiveness of -none & retain the sexuality factor?

Could it be similar to WAGG-N? Anyone here have it?

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I managed to OD on none again. I didn’t notice any real negative behavior from others, however I was in a real pissed off mood, and actually found myself shouting at one of my friend for taking too long to leave. Thats very uncharacteristic of me, however I was slightly drunk, which seemed to accentuate things even further. Funny thing is I knew I was OD’ing the whole time, and I consciously knew that I was getting more agged than I normally would at things, simply because the none was making me feel this way. I couldn’t shake the feeling though…I didn’t want to shake the feeling if that makes any sense.

OD’ing really does put the effects of mones into perspective. As users of pheromones we rarely have an opportunity to really feel what others around us do. Though the effects of this particular OD are far more pronounced than what most around us feel…maybe its because we grow so accustomed to the mones..who knows. It was very apparant to me that night, however, pheromones really do have a significant impact on a persons mood. This doesn’t directly translate to a change in behavior, however the mood someone is in can significantly influence certain types of behavior when certain actions and/or stimuli are introduced.

In the case of my OD, being in an agged mood because of the excessive none, influenced my urge to shout at my friend when he took too long to leave. Under normal circumstances I might have been slightly annoyed, but not to the extent of me actually shouting at anyone. In a more positive situation, saying the right thing to a lady when the mood is right (a mood facilitated by the mones) can influence certain behaviors, but the stimuli (attraction) and the action must be there. Pheromones can accentuate a particular mood, sensation, or perception, but they will not accentuate something that does not exist. IE, I wasn’t arbitrarily shouting at people because I was in a bad mood. The things that did get under my skin though, were further accentuated by the none od to an extreme…the stimuli was minute and insignificant really, but there was some basis to my behavior

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That is the real problem with TEnone. Or it could be just me. I couldn’t stop myself being pissed at everything. Had similar symptoms with 1-2 drop A314. Wouldn’t touch them anymore, for the time being.

Sometimes, I feel it’s really futile trying to “correct” myself when wearing the aggressive mones. Or lather generously with other soft mones to round-off those edges on myself. It’s getting too expensive & I’m tired. Negative encounters from ODs are hard to fix. It’s not fun anymore.

WAGG used to be able to lift my mood, but not anymore. Neither does EST or TAA (IS/m). I only respond to ANOL now. Must be the fatigue. Best to rest the mones in alternating days or weekends.

Let’s keep it simple from now on.

i2w

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Try now and then taking a longer mone break than just a day or two (incl hot showers to try to help release anything hiding under top layer of skin) and rotating (so you dont wear too many of the complex mones several days running. Seems to help a liitle for me.

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Sigma’s comment about the -none OD where he says he knew he was being affected by the OD, but was unable to “control” it, is what has me concerned about the effects of pheromone products like IH.

Unless there is enough difference between how -none affects you, and how -nols (-Bnol in this case) affects you, I still have this fear that using IH in a way that you get as much of a dose as your “target” may cause the unintended result that you blab too much “truth” or reveal too much in a situation where you are wearing the product with the intent of having an advantage over the target.

(There are times I’m sure where we are wearing pheromone products with the intent to influence someone else, not ourselves.)

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Shouldn’t be a problem if you shower everyday and “work out” as in run and lift weights.. because you sweat. Then just sit in the sauna (not dry one.. Steam Room!) because it opens up and clears out your pores.. and then take another shower ones your pores are opened.

Well I go through a process after every work out in the morning and at night when I go to the gym.

  1. lift weights
  2. run for at least 45 minutes minimum
  3. Take a shower (soap/shampoo)
  4. Sit in a jacuzzi for however long I can take it
  5. Steam room for 30 minutes while doing my stretching
  6. After I feel like my pores are opened I take another shower
    to clear any excess junk in my pores.
  7. I drink alot of water the entire time to facilitate sweat and purge=)