I just had a mind bogling thought while replying to a PM.
In my rather complex mixes where i’m trying to amplify every part of my personality I’ve noticed I tend to have Dud mixes. They just don’t perform like they should. I’m wondering now if the reason is that they are to close to a natural pheromone signiture, but just stronger.
The targets don’t notice anything out of the ordinary so they don’t respond.
Perhaps it’s better to make an mix the stick out from what a normal signiture would be in order achieve maximum results. The only downside I could see it having a higher potential for negative results if one is using none bases without apropriate buffers (because the best buffors follow a natural signiture)
I agree with you toilofday. I tend to get an obvious results from using the product that is not really me. Many people state that I’m reserved and innocent looking. Using IS is quite congruent with my character so I don’t see nothing out of the ordinary; only at high doses do I detect amplified reactions that were already there when not using phero.
However, when I use products like TUTH (mostly negative thus far), Ammo, and PP I notice more obvious and yet different reactions from others. In other words, people who know me act differently and those that don’t I get the type of feedbacks that I never got in my life previous to using pheros.
I’ve found culturing a skilled acting ability will more than make up for shortcomings in phero mixes. In other words it’s far easier and more effective to amplify aspects of your chosen persona with skillful acting rather than pheromones. I look at pheromones as a slight tweak or enhancement and mainly focus on the real deal. Also I’ve found less is usually more when it comes to pheromones. Complex mixes tend to muddy the signals you’re trying to send. A simple signal with good dramatics is usually a winning combination. Merely wearing TE and TE only has yielded some of my best results.
Should you be making a mix that matches your personality, or one that matches the shortcomings/complements your personality? See my world domination thread for Taters theory of the day.
I get the best hits with simple mixes. 1 Base product and maybe add 1 or 2 social pheromone.
IMO, I think its not about matching the pheromone sig to your existing sig but picking your pheromones and matching your attitude behavior to them. Like if you wear A314 walk into the club like a bad ass alpha. If you just hide in the corner your sig wont match you.
I know that I am already really talkative but when I wear Instant Openness I annoy myself LOL . For me its one spray to the back of my head as to not be effected by it. So maybe I make alot of A-Androstenol on my own but it still works for me when I use more. It could be alot different with none products though.
But when you say “base product” do you mean an MX or one of the SmartMones products like Instant Sexiness or Lust After Me? Wouldnt those already have at least 3 pheros, plus your two accent pheros, so now youre at 5…
Also, what do you mean by “best” hits? Do you mean the most consistent knowledge that youre getting some kind of boost, or that youre getting the effect of that particular base product?
I guess im asking in terms of pheros how many are you getting the best hits with, not in terms of Androtics products. If someone wears A314 + Ammo, theyre wearing 16 + 3, possibly 19 pheros though its likely A314 has small amounts of everything thats in Ammo.
I get the best results when wearing a “symphonic” basecoat of Instant Sexiness A, MX134, or MX135. (Is that what you meant by base product Tisha?) And then, based on my planned activities, I heighten one or two notes by adding a putative, more nol, an Instant product, or some cops. For guys, I guess the basecoat would be Ammo or Alpha 314. Does this make sense, or do you think the method wastes pheros? Far as I know, the base mixes already contain like a bazillion pheromones.
I will base coat with Instant Sexiness A or MX135 then add shine and some cops. Which is one of my favorites.
I also like Mx135 with Mx216.
But its mostly 2 or 3 products at a time and thats it.
What I am referring to is not the seperate mones but the products. A314 does have something like 16 mones in it. Its a fantastic stand alone product. Some people may need a extra shot of the socials but I think if you over do it and add alot of different products to it, it takes away something from the origonal.
Some time ago, in a series of posts with MHarris, I think it was observed (at that time) that the two extremes seemed to work best. Either a very simple basic pheromone application (eg just Ammunition, or maybe a314 and I Shine), or a complex “symphonic” combination (like catlord’s). The middle-of-the-road combinations had the weakest results.
That was relatively early in the life of this forum, so maybe further experimentation has demonstrated something different.
Being a “minimalist” myself, I’ve always favored as simple an application as possible, although for certain “targeted” situations I will combine a variety of products. At a recent funeral I used a314, I Shine, IFM, and I Openness for example, with DST Pheros as a “cover.”
I don’t know about A314 being “massively” complex. A314 is simple in concept: the main ingredient is androsterone, in fact 80% of the volume (for a heathy masculine vibe), and this basic masculine vibe is supported by various trace amounts of steering or tweaking pheromones. Use of trace amounts of steering pheromones is extremely different in principle than dosing one’s self with a dozen full strength products. The mud get pretty thick 'n befuddling when you zap yourself with IS, Instant Female Magic, Turn Up The Heat, P93, P79, P103, P76, Ammo, etc.
Perhaps worth considering the mixing paint vs. mixing colored light metaphor. Mixing too many paints you get brown, then gray. Mixing lights you get an intense white, but with all kinds of ‘rainbow’ nuances where the overlap isn’t perfectly homogeneous.
Last time I had a convo with Jasmin about A314 … or was it MHarris? … the comment was that the whitecap mutant version of A314 had only 8 out of 9 pheros … but that the newest version of A314 now blended 17 pheros.
I’ve noticed the following:
Some people are more responsive to me changing the “center” of my signature. A314 on Monday, EST on Tuesday, etc., they see the “bullseye” of your target is moving dramatically, and they sit up and notice.
I’ve mentioned before that some people do notice their response to a “more pronounced pherosignature” (colleagues with my 1-drop of A314+1 spray of Spaceland per morning) and they seem to wait to see how consistent that is. The pattern is: too responsive; too controlled; responsive. After a first exposure when they respond obviously, they then control their responses; but after a while, consciously or unconsciously, they begin to allow the responses again. Perhaps they just get tired of resisting. (“Resistance is futile!” )
A much smaller segment seems to outwardly respond to the specific pheromone I’m using – P83 vs Instant Honesty vs. -none. (But … I think the point is that if they respond at all, outwardly, it is worth considering that they always are responding to other pheros too, just that it may not be visible.
People who know me really well are consistently highly responsive to my pheros. I don’t have to signal my pheros to all to them, and they get it. The longer they’ve known me (pre and post pheros) the more consistently they are in responding, whether I am being congruent or not. I keep a little androstadienone or Instant Shine on hand when I’m visiting my kids … just in case the wife is unexpectedly home because it’s 100% effective in mellowing her.
People who meet me for the first time – with that “surprise” effect – are much more likely to give me a noticeable response. Is it because I tend to downplay this that in the future they are not as overt? (Do I reward more “discreet” responses?) Or are they ‘getting over it’ or censoring themselves?
I’ve had people who were apparently not responsive to my ‘mega dose mix’ .. in fact showing IOD (indications of disinterest) who, days or weeks later were responding to the pheromones I had on the last time we met. Almost as if a “now that I have you alone, I’ll respond as I wanted to when I met you last.” I can attest that delayed reactions deliver some of the best kissing and kino ever.
Toil, it just comes to mind again that not only do you have to deliver the pheromolecules to the target, you have to do something that gets the target to recognize that you are the source of the internal shift they experience when the molecules go active … what many call “acting congruent” … so they associate the phero-experience/changed perception or behavior with you.
What if the “truly complex mixes” are so broadly engaging that the target only notices “something goin’ on” at an unconscious level? Now, if that’s a random encounter at a club, perhaps they never really get the chance to associate the internal shift with you … or perhaps it’s such a complex shift that all of their energy goes into figuring it out, rather than figuring it’s source?
Reps to MarkL for one of the best posts ever. Incredible observation! I posted a while back on my discovery of phero-canaries (people who seem to respond to phero-signature changes very easily), and have recently discovered that you can use nonsense pheros with high diffusion rates to ensure targets know that YOU are the phero-source.
Instant Shine (TAA) and Instant Female Magic (androstadienone) seem to be great at marking you as the source.
Tater has also come to the conclusion that certain pheros will make even people whove seen you every day for 10 years re-evaluate you based on your current signature.
Tater has also noticed that, when meeting new people, a BRUTAL mix can brand people for later interaction. Some targets respond immediately. Others lock down their responses, not just to the phero-wearer, but to others too…just become really careful about their reactions, but it seems that after enough time, they get tired of resisting. Ive had several people not respond at all, but on the 4th or 5th meeting, its like they got blasted.
This could be why some people have reported pheromones not working till about a week of continued use with some products. Very good explanation. Reps for you
I always use it “neat” as they say. No dillution. Just dab it on like I would any concentrated pheromone product. Or like the EO/fragrarence blends from Love Potions. I sometimes use LP’s Adam, Ares, or Excalibur blends as “cover” (or alone). I have reserved my DST Pheros for special occasions only.
. So it could also be physical appearance.
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