Or if you think it is pervy, that will come off in how you act…congruency is important.
Its like kino, if you’re not comfortable with touching a woman even if its not sexual and you try, she’s going to feel uncomfortable.
Me, I’m a touchy feely kind of guy anyway, even with other dudes I’m always grabbing their hand to shake it and patting them on the back at the same time. Or walk up to a bud and put my hand on his shoulder and kind of squeeze it…so it already fits with my character with those who know me.
But I also know how to do it “right,” when just meeting someone new etc.
She just may assume an older guy talking to her is pervy. /IME
I’m right there with you age wise and combo wise. 2dr a314, 2sp ammo 1 sp TUTH was my go to for a while. I’ve recently began add 2sp shine and 20-30 mcg p83. I’ve also done 3 sp of IJ with no OD from females.
I hope you didn’t think I was implying that about you btw
Very true. Which, even if she’s in her 20’s, I respect that. However I try to stay out of people’s heads, because I never know what a woman’s “type” is gonna be, because that can change.
I’ve dated some very beautiful young women in the last couple of years. Often enough I’ve been that guy in the mall, the club, or bar that other guys are looking at me and my girl and saying…“either he’s rich or hung like a horse.” I’m neither. I’m just attractive.
I think your probably misunderstanding something you read but without seeing the context it was written in its hard to say.
When told to be careful around “young” most people are speaking of children not young adults .
Older men can and do wear higher anone then younger guys simply because of the OD effect.
A high anone signature can make some women especially inexperienced women nervous or shy away more. Its not the case for every personality type though. That’s why using socials with it is so important to add that comfort level to the aggressive vibe. This way you attract both the pretty outgoing confident women and the shyer more introverted ones respond better as well. Unless you have a specific target you dont know what types you will encounter so you want to wear something thats balanced so you attract the most prospects.
Both young men and older men can give off a creepy or predatory vibe if they use high anone in inappropriate settings. You dont necessarily need body language to go with it. Like at work, depending on your type of job of course, it can end up being a uncomfortable pervy vibe which is why men seem to get better responses in social settings with it.
So for instance if your a waiter or work in a social type setting its not as pervy as it your a teacher or the boss in a corporate office and wearing high none.
Its been noticed that Asian women do not care for high anone on young or old. Its theorized that all women tend to attract to signature similar to that of there fathers and male siblings. This is the signature they are (in most cases) comfortable with and attracted to. Which explains why a women who grows up with a abusive father tends to end up with a abusive partner even though that partner didnt show those tendencies till after the relationship has progressed. Asian men have lower levels of testosterone so this could be why Asian women dont care for it much and enjoy the social uplifting type mones and the higher arone sig more.
So really its just as we all have said countless times. Pheromones are not one size fits all. There are other variables you have to consider. You just have to play around and find what works best for you, your personality, environment and situation. I think lots of people find that mix that fits them well but are so busy looking for “something thats even better” they end up becoming confused.
As far as younger women being attracted to older men there are variables there as well. Some guys think all they need is some mones and they are all set to compete with the younger men. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way.
Generally women will look for men a few years older this way there goals, values and maturity levels match. I know men get pissed when they hear this but girls tend to mature quicker then boys, not just physically but mentally. This is not an opinion but something that been proven by science. Yes there are some younger men who know what they want and mature quickly. Take my son for instance. We joke that he was 30 on the day he was born. So I am not saying it applies to every single male.
The survival instinct comes into play. Women on a subconscious and instinctive level look for men that will be strong breeders and protectors. Young strong healthy virile men. Just like men look for women who are fertile and good carriers. So its natural for women to be more attracted to men closer or a little higher then there age range. These are the stronger breeders in there eyes both physically and mentally. Now men usually can breed much longer then women, however thats rapidly changing because of all the freaking hormones they inject in meat and dairy (but thats another story and just my opinion LOL) Anywho… There comes a point when the age difference is to great to overcome the mental and physical attraction part of “attraction”. We are not purely instinctual like animals.
This is when social and culture values come into play. There are women and men for that matter who will set out or prefer to find an older person.
Those that look are deliberately looking for much older men generally want someone established that can take care of them.
Men who gravitate towards older women may not want children or the responsibility that comes with them. Some even want someone to take care of them.
Those who gravitate towards older men are probably getting that feeling of “daddy” comfort. I have a few friends who have dated much older men 15 years older or better and one thing I noticed is there “boyfriend” is very similar to there fathers to the point its kinda creepy. The relationships never last because there is to many maturity obstacles to overcome.
There are times when two people just click and fall in love despite nature, culture and the “social norm”. There are all sorts of reasons.
I work with this one guy I will call Doug, because thats his name LOL He is in his 50’s, very very fit. eats right, well established financially, not a bad looking guy. On the number scale I would say he is a 7 or 8. Lots of women in there late 30’s to his age find him attractive but Doug is only interested in women in there 20’s. He spends his time pursuing them and I have had younger women come up to me and say things like “eww he is so creepy” or “what is wrong with that old guy?” So Doug is alone and asked me countless times why he cant find a partner or why girls dont want to “be with him”. He said the few girls he dated ended up being gold diggers or needy. Its simple really, he is looking in the wrong place. You cant totally defy natural instincts. He also mentioned that these girls sometimes flirt with him or are not put off by his perusal which I have seen myself. Some of these girls are the very ones who came up to me and said “whats wrong with that old guy ?” They are flirty because its a natural ego boost for themselves and in some cases they feel bad for the guy. Women are more emotion driven and sensitive to peoples feelings.
So sure you can use mones to project a more healthy virile male vibe but you need to remember that while you may be able to manipulate mother nature a bit with synthetic mones you cant totally fool mother nature.
So as harsh as it may sound if your 50 something and hoping that mones will score you a 20 something babe your setting yourself up for failure. Do you really think women find Hugh Hefner attractive LOL ? Do you really think Anna Nicole was attracted to that old guy she married. Even he had sense enough to know what it was about.
Not saying it never happens because lets face it there are gold diggers and ladder climbers and those just looking for some fun but when it comes to finding real lasting attraction that 50 something guy should be setting his sights a little higher in age then the 20 something girls. Maybe mid 30’s and up. Just like in nature there comes a time when the alpha lion has to step down and let the young alpha lead the pack. Men have to step back and let the younger generation lead. Its the natural order of things.
Tisha
haha no!
FWIW (and that and about $5 will get ya a cuppa) I recall a thread in which a HS teacher was warned against wearing certain mones while teaching, in order not to come off the wrong way in his classes. No idea where it went, what particular forum it was in, or anything, and haven’t gotten the hang of the search engine here enough to find, but maybe you board experts can pull it up with that info.
And having done some tutoring myself, I would have seconded that advice. Heck, I found that the PARENTS got hinky if I just showed that (after a year tutoring their son multiple times a week) I had developed a liking for him. And I don’t mean that in THAT way, either. I mean like an adoptive nephew or something. The boy invited me to graduation, too, and to his after-grad party. I brought my husband, and we did fine. Then the parents cut off all contact and that was that.
So strange perceptions do exist out there, and I can see where mones might enhance those in the wrong way.
It could depend on how much you show your age, I’m almost 40 and regularly date women in their early 20’s. It can also depend on how he approaches it. If he’s playing it from the angle of his age and his established status/finances etc being an advantage for a woman, then yes it can come across as “creepy old guy using his money to try and seduce women he can’t attract on his own”.
If he plays it from the angle of acknowledging the girl is attractive but not being sure if she’s worldly, sophisticated or mature enough for a man like him…then they become more interested.
As a side note…according to the Bro Code the youngest age a man should date is “half his age plus seven” So if your friend is 50, he should stick to women age 32 and up. Personally I don’t like or follow this guideline myself, but I find it amusing that somebody bothered to make it.
Your 40 something hun not 50 something. I mentioned 50 something men should be looking in the mid 30’s and up, this would mean that 40 something men can be successful in the mid 20’s and up. Its when the gap gets to wide that attraction doesn’t occur anymore. I am not saying it to insult men or anything. Its the same for women but on a tighter age range.
Doug doesn’t use his money, he is a great guy. He comes off creepy for one reason. The age gap is to big. No offence Rad, your a good looking guy and you know I think your an amazing person but when you get up into your 50’s your not going to be attracting those 20 something ladies anymore like you do now. Most guys tastes in age preference move up as they age naturally so you would probably be more attracted to 30 something girls anyway then but there are guys who hold onto that belief that they can attract someone out of there range and and they focus on it so much and ignore what will work for them and they end up alone and unhappy like Doug.
It doesn’t matter how you show your age. Men just dont like to except that the attraction age gap exists. They want to believe they remain attractive to young women well into the twilight years. Whether we like it or not it just doesn’t work that way. No matter what angle you take there comes a time when that gap becomes to wide.
Tisha
Geezes I thought I was old, if I followed that rule I can date late teens.
I do concede this…but there are exceptions to every rule.
And I do see how my age range has moved up over the last 5 + years, where I am now attracting and attracted to women in their late 20’s early 30’s.
Even my niece who’s 25, says, “I just can’t see you dating a woman in their 40’s.” My issue is a lot of the women in their 40’s here in town that I experience, have become party girls. They’re usually divorced, single moms who feel like they’ve missed out on something because they were locked down in a marriage raising kids. Their child is now in high school, or just graduated, so they’ve tossed off the shackles, and now they’re out there fucking anything and everything they come across…and its just not attractive.
I’d rather date a mature, strong, confident woman in her 20’s, who has the ability to think like she’s in her 40’s, than a woman in her 40’s, who is trying to act like she’s in her 20’s.
That seems to be the norm in all areas … THE 40+ GROUP … chasing legal teens and those in their 20s trying to make themselves feel and look good. Definitely not attractive to me, either, but it’s just their way, and it makes them happy, so.
Wonder if I’ll ever get that bug? I’ve always looked, but my taste buds have never been stimulated by the thought of tasting something young and delicious. To be continued … 
…shit, I’m running out of time!
You guys are such a hoot. Go back and read what I wrote. Gentlemen your in your 40’s not your 50’s. I didnt say you should date a women in her 40’s. I said men in there 40’s are still within the range with most mid to late 20 something girls. Of course 40 would be in your range as well so I am not going to exclude that.
My nieces are in there early 20’s and they crack me up. We go out shopping sometimes and I will see guys checking them out. I have said to them “whew hottie checking you out at 12 oclock” they look and always hit me with a “Aunt (long drawn out >>> TTTTT thats a old guy ewwww” The guy was hot and about 35 LOL.
Come on think back to your early 20’s. We all saw 40 and older as “old” and all of us thought it would be a eternity before we had to worry about being that age. LOL
Yep they are running around acting like men have always acted. Very unattractive LOL I could never date anyone within 10 years of my sons age its just nasty. That means if I were single anyone under 33 would be out but I dont think I would mesh with many 33 year olds anyways 
I do agree with you female or male a person should act his/her age and that includes dating within there range and not pretending to be something they are not.
LOL yep quick… get out there and bang all the 20 year olds you can find. Stay away from my nieces though 
Tisha
I second that.. I’ve taken A314 + 2 sprays of IJ and some shine to work and it was a very pleasant day for me. tried it a few times and the results were the same… even my lady superboss who is in her late fifties seemed to be ok with such a large none signature
It’s not often a man approaching 40 gets this kind of advice from a woman close to his own age…it’s kinda surreal.
But actually I was meaning more along the lines of actually having to settle down before I become “weird old dude hanging out at the club”
I’m in my 20’s, green light tisha?!
You will never be that weird old dude… you will be… the most interesting man in the world
Watch this one its good they talk about his pheromones
Whew thats a red light but for you I would lie about my age
Tish
I Know what you wrote LOL and I also concede the thing about guys running around like that too…LOL
Me and the girl I’m sort of seeing one night were out at the mall and some guy in his late 40’s walks by with the shirt with the angel wings on them and she says…'yeah that’s the style guys are wearing now." I told her…“yeah if you’re 14 years old.”
I dress “hip” but appropriately hip.