still going for sweet spot, ammo vs tuth

time: 20:00

Day: Saturday, September 15th 2012

application: 2 sprays IS(2x) to both sides to neck, 2 sprays IO (1x) to both
sides of neck, 2 sprays P83(2.5 mcg) both to neck, 1 spray Summer AMMO (1x) chest

about me: age 21, in college, a little overweight, ESTJ

purpose of use: there’s this girl that I’ve had a crush on for a while, and I have been asking her to go out with me but she’s always been busy. I tried my luck Saturday, and she said yes! The “date” was to talk for a little bit, and then play some billiards. My goal for this date was to create some rapport as well as create some sexual tension with lots of touching.

the actual date: We both live in the same residence hall, but on different floors. I suggested we meet in a common floor in a wide public area. ( I wanted to meet in her room, but she insisted not because it was a mess.) we talked for a while, and since I was nervous, I wasn’t talking much. She on the other hand just kept bring up random conversational topics (must be IO?) I being very sly, started touching her on her arm right near her shoulder when I was trying to make a point. I was a little disappointed that she didn’t touch back, but yet still normal rapport as a normal conversation would go.

After a while, she decided she had enough of talking, and wanted to get into the game aspect of our date. I agreed, and we started walking down together. She mentioned she was getting a little cold, as we were walking outside and I put my arm around her, saying I can warm you up. She backed away for a second, and said, that’s ok, and laughed. We headed up to the game room and she insisted we play darts. Apparently she practices when she has free time on darts. The dart game went very well, and I still made an effort to try and touch her on her arm saying, “good job!” and gave her constant hi fives. She responded to he hi fives, but not to the touching on the arm.

To make a long story short, I kept trying this sly touching thing to get things going, but she never touched back as were playing games. She did however respond to high fives. At the end of the “date” we both met at the common room again, and I gave her a hug and thanked her for a wonderful evening. She held the hug for a little longer than a normal hug, and then we parted. I texted her saying, thanks for a wonderful night, and I hope we can get together again sometime soon! she replied, yeah thank you too, I had a great time

evaluation: It seems like the mones had an effect on her mood, as the IS probably made her very happy as I was with her. I was a little disappointed with the NONE though. I only applied 1 spray of ammo to the chest, and I was expecting more of a touching thing from her. I’ve learned from the forum that less is more when it comes to NONE, and especially since I’m probably producing a good amount naturally being young. Is TUTH too strong to try for 1 spray instead of AMMO? What would you all suggest?

You will benefit much more from IH than IO on a date, IO is good to break the ice and have fun - it’s just lacking pull, a feeling of comfort and connection to really hook the girl. You could replace AMMO with TUTH next time you meet her and add some sprays of IH.

Looks like things went well though, maybe you had too many expectations? I like that you were hi-fiving her, it’s fun and a good way to get touch going - when you were touching her arm, was it a poke or did you linger there, some women might find it uncomfortable or creepy.

I know I should have used IH. I’m looking to invest in it, but the price is too high right now, and I can’t pass up opportunities for dates like this one. I’ll probably get it once it gets back down to its original price. The touch itself was a full touch touch using all fingers of my hand for about 2 seconds, but I was consistent and always held it for 2 seconds frequently. Maybe 2 seconds is too much? or maybe I did it frequently, but I was hoping she would respond with a touch. I also heard that the P83 can provide a touchy feely type of vibe. Any more thoughts?

You could get the IH as a to-go.

Actually 2 seconds is to little, it might seem to her that you aren’t comfortable touching her, so she won’t be comfortable and respond.

What works really well and the only thing I would do on dates is, when there’s a situation I’m sitting next to her from the side, I would grab her shoulder while speaking to her and just keep my hand there for a bit, make yourself comfortable having your hand on her shoulder, the reason to keep it there for a bit is, that your touch will create some feelings and sensations in her body that could make her feel more comfortable being intimate with you.

Yes, but attraction needs to be there first, so she can act on it, it could also be that your dosage is to low, try at least 10mcg.

I’ve tried this before I met her with other women, and I feel that eventually when they start looking at their shoulder, then there could be an issue. I never thought that the actual touch itself should be longer. The other thing is I wouldn’t want to make her uncomfortable with an extremely long touch during conversation. I’ve heard in the forum that less is more, and one doesn’t need to have a lot of sprays for in this case mcg for pheromones to be effective.

Personally I don’t like to go bottles as they don’t last long for me. I’d rather invest, but I don’t need to be paying 3x the normal amount for the regular sized one.

Is IH and IO always this expensive? Ive seen the prices to be same since i joined the community. Which wasnt that long ago though. I was meaning to put an order of both these regular size bottles as well. But obv the price is way too high

If you are nervous and the girl that’s with you isn’t, trying to touch her as much as possible is a bad idea.

If you are nervous you are at a bad position to excalate and it better to let things naturally build up over time.