Strip Club Pheromone Testopalooza!

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Great report once again, Mark!

As for me and Paradise, well, yeah, but there’s a palpable sense of being at arm’s length from her end, but that’s cool. At first, I wasn’t sure what I wanted out of her. An FWB? Just an F? Doesn’t really matter now. Any escalation of what little we have will happen irrespective of the strip club environment. Right now we’re phone buddies, and I’m pleased to say that she only asks me to come to the club about 20% of the time. The rest of the time, we’re talking about damned near anything else. I already know her favorite restaurant and her favorite drink from Starbuck’s. These, at least, are opportunities waiting to happen.

There’s also Raven/Naomi, whose real, real name is Malinda. She doesn’t know the first thing about computers, so the likelihood of her finding out about this place is nil, so no sense hiding that. We’ve gotten to be pretty good friends as well, having had little impromtu afterwork “dates” consisting of chilling out with a drink and light conversation. She’s a sweetie, too, and since she’s no longer a stripper, it’ll be a little bit easier to pursue future real dates with her, if I decide to go for it.

But back to the club scene itself, you couldn’t possibly be more right. A sense of fun is the most contagious thing in any social gathering, be it a party at Bob’s down the road or a strip club. Contagious and extremely attractive. I’d worked myself up a comfortable rapport with a good many of the girls at Fox’s and laughter was always a result of sitting with me for a few minutes. Too bad it closed down.

The Vu, on the other hand… well, I’ve only been there once. The atmosphere is okay, but it’ll take some getting used to if I start going there. Plus it’s a bit more expensive. $20 cover, but the flipside is unlimited drinks for a flat 8 bucks. So, $28 just to get in. Not too expensive, but then there’s the lap dance situation. $30 for 1 song, sit on your hands. $50 for a little more sensual, but again, just 1 song. The Champagne room is $300 for a half an hour, and rumor has it that yes, there IS sex in the champagne room. Only problem is I don’t pay for sex. It’s one thing to dip a finger, or get rubbed through the pants, but if something further is going to happen, I want it to be outside of the club and because we both want it, not because I’m paying for it.

Oh, and tonight was a bust. I pulled into the Vu and didn’t see Paradise’s car. She may have gotten a ride, but I wasn’t going to take any chances. I didn’t really care to see anyone else. Had she been there, I would have taken the opportunity to meet some of the Vu dancers, but again, that wasn’t my objective tonight.

Instead, I went to the casino, spent $100 and came ahead an additional $400, so the evening wasn’t a total waste. :slight_smile:

-D4

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You might try inviting her to the casino with you. That could prove to be fun, and help to remove some of the distance on her end.

By the way, what ever happened with Sarah?

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Sarah’s a co-worker, so I haven’t spoken with her while out on medical leave. I did sorta, in a half-assed way, ask her out, but it was mother’s day weekend and she had plans with her family. I’ll test those waters when I go back Monday.

-D4

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Wear some EST or MEO-EST if you’ve got either, and maybe some P74 and/or P83, to get a comfort/sensual and “need to take care of hurt guy” vibe going".

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Funny you should say that, Mark. I’ve spent the last half hour reading through Visionary’s P83 compilation thread, and I just so happen to have it, plus some P74. Don’t have any EST or MEO-EST, though. Do you know what might be a good sub? The other stuff I’ve got are:

Instant Shine 1x
Instant Gentleman 1x
A314 Ver. 17 Batch 5
Instant Shine 1x
Turn Up The Heat
Instant Honesty 2x
P79 50mcg/spray
MX102, 103, and 203

Oh, and Dirty, but somehow, I doubt that could stand in for the EST’s. :wink:

Thanks!

-D4

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Hey Jon, Jasmin said in a post that if you like EST then you should explore P74 here: http://www.pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/curiuos-why-est-always-out-stock-13613.html

And Inkling posted a comparison between them here: p74 vs. est.

You don’t have anything that I’d say really duplicates the effects of EST, (although I am far from an expert on EST, as I’ve only worn it twice so far), but you have molecules to make a mix that I think might work well. Let’s see if we can make something that could get a good reaction from her and prove pretty interesting with what you do have.

My thoughts:

You might try wearing around 75-100 mcg’s of P83, about 20 - 25 mcg’s of P74, 4 sprays of Instant Shine and around 2 - 3 sprays of Instant Honesty.

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Strip clubs are a waste of money. I was one of those chumps who thought the more money I give the girls, the more they’ll like me, and I will have a chance with them. What a pushover I was. You’re much better off going to a dance club.
Years ago, I went to a goth club for the first time and I met a cute blonde girl. We started talking. We eventually wound up in a hot and heavy make out session. I didn’t even spend one dime on her! At the end of the night we swapped numbers and soon saw each other again. We actually dated for a couple of months.

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I go to strip clubs as a form of entertainment, both in the show and in seeing what sort of effects pheros have. If I get laid in the process, it’s a nice spiff, but that’s not the goal here. Not with me, I’d bet the same for Mark, and probably even for Big Money over in the other thread. The money I spend is no different than the money someone else would spend at a sports game, a movie, or some other form of entertainment.

Why is it that there’s always this misconception about stripclubs and motives for going to them? I thought I’d made it pretty clear in this and other threads.

-D4

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Yep, I’m with Jon here! If you’re going to a strip club looking for a date, you’re probably gonna leave pretty dissapointed! If you thought giving strippers money was going to make them like you as a person and potentally more, you were wrong again. Money makes strippers like you as a CUSTOMER and nothing more. If you go to a strip club just expecting to have fun and aren’t trying to buy the girls, then it can be a blast.

Stippers get hit on over-and-over every single night, and if they think you’re making a play for them their defenses and anti-jerk attitudes are going to be at high alert. On the other hand, if they feel you’re just there to have fun, aren’t trying to buy them and that your’e treating them like ladies and with respect, they are far more likely to drop their defenses and you might actually get somewhere with them.

If you think throwing money at any girl is going to make her like you more, you are dead wrong. That just causes them to either lose respect for you or feel that you’re trying to buy them, and neither one is the way to a girls heart, or elsewhere! :slight_smile:

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Yep, exactly. Or you end up becoming a “regular”. A good, business-minded stripper is going to do whatever she can to keep her good paying regulars, but not to the point of sleeping with him, because that changes it all. So, she may pay a little more attention to you, perhaps let you get away with slightly more during dances, etc. All this is geared towards keeping you coming back for more.

And if you get a phone number, the chances are very high that it’s for a phone she has specifically for that purpose. When business is slow, the dancer will go down her list of contacts and cold call-- “Hey! Whatcha up to? I’m working tonight… wanna come see me?”

I count myself lucky in that the two numbers I’ve gotten were NOT for THAT phone, but even still, Paradise will call me once in awhile when she’s bored. I kind of accept that, and I usually will tell her I have other plans. I go on my terms. Now those calls come maybe once every few weeks, but she’ll still call me once or twice a week just to talk.

But anyway, yeah… it’s okay to spend money at the club if you know you’re just there to have a good time, but if you start developing feelings for a girl you’ve seen there a few times, you might as well stop going. Nothing’s gonna happen.

-D4

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hey data, u wear alot of phero. How do u smell after applying them all? Or do u cover it with cologne?

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I smell like a lot of pheromones. The more I wear, the less I cover, because when I wear a lot it doesn’t really matter. When I wear my work application of A314 and a social or two, I’ll cover with a couple of sprays of Issey Miyake.

-D4

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Holy crap… I just got a call from Paradise. Fox’s is back in business. This was a cold call. She wants me to come see her. I don’t know if I want to risk it. I flat out asked her if customers have ever been arrested in raids and she said no, that they’re going after the business. Don’t know if I want to risk that. If I go, I’ll have to ask Brent, the door guy if I’m at any sort of risk. Last thing I need on the weekend before I go back to work is to be arrested for solicitation or somesuch.

-D4

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Just to update, after spending Monday night and most of Tuesday with Mandy, we sent probably 10 text messages back-and-forth on Wednesday.

Then yesterday she called and said she didn’t think she was going to go to the club and asked me if I wanted to hang out. I told her that Thursdays are my Red River night, but if she wanted to come that would be cool. She’s not much into country music though, so she said she’d probably just go ahead and work. Then at around 11:00 I got a text message from her asking if I was having fun and saying that the club was really slow. I replied saying that if it was that bad she could always leave and come join me, which she did.

She ended up leaving at around 1:30 though, cause one of here friends called her and asked if she could come pick her up in a town about 30 miles away. So I walked her out to her car and we said goodnight. :frowning:

I talked to her today too, and as of yet she has never asked me to come see her at the club.

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Mark is ur fav 1a or 1b? Icm

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Not a fair question. That’s like asking if you prefer slippers or hiking boots: You’d never wear slippers on a mountain trail, and probably don’t lounge around the house in hiking boots. They both have their intended purposes and both do a great job conveying the appropriate signal.

I had not even touched the 1b mix until my strip club expoits on Monday, and it helped to have girls at my table all night, sometimes 3 or 4 at a time, and it got me laid and the phone numbers from 3 other strippers.

I also wore 1b last night to Red River, and before Mandy showed up I was getting heavy IOI’s from a girl that I kind of knew but not very well, and who had never shown any interest before. I was also getting milder IOI’s from her 19 year old really hot friend and several other women. I had several girls pretty much staring at me with a look like: there’s something about this guy and I just have to get to know him.

1a has been extremely consistant in getting attention and in general the more likely mix for getting laid, but my first time out with 1b was pretty damn awesome.

The 1a mix is more sexual and more likely to get the blatant sexual hits, while the 1b mix is more intimate and suggesting of something more than just a sexual encounter. And, that’s why I wore the 1b mix to the strip club. I wanted to give the girls more aof a reason for wanting to get to know me than just a sexual suggestion, which probably would have signaled them to raise their defenses. And it worked better than I ever expected.

By the way, after my last post, and as I was on the way out the door to meet my friend at Hooters for happy hour, Mandy called again to ask if I wanted to go help her pick out a new outfit to dance in. I told her I couldn’t, but that maybe we could do something tomorrow. :slight_smile:

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This supports my tossing around an idea in my head on what to wear next time I hit up the club. Originally, when this whole thing started, it was to see what happened if I wore dangerously high amounts of sexual pheromones to a strip club.

I can sum it up thusly:

-Lap dances tended to be more sensual. No extras, though, but this can be attributed to the reputation of the club I went to and the girls I picked. This recent raid at Fox’s wasn’t the first, and I’m pretty picky about the girls I choose to spend money on. I aim for the higher class ones, and they usually don’t do extras. This is fine, since I’m not looking for extras anyway. This doesn’t include anything spontaneous that happens during the dance as a result of my phero signature, however. :wink:

-Respect from the male employees. The bouncers and door guys are all cool. When I step outside to have a smoke, we’re always shooting the shit and laughing about something.

Unfortunately, the amount of times I’ve gone there, I’ve pretty much reached that dreaded “regular” status. In fact, I think I’ve pretty much canceled out any -none effects, as my signature has consistently had a -none base.

So, I’m thinking of changing it up. I’m really liking what I’ve been reading about MX203, P83, and P74, and I’m thinking of wearing a combo of that next time I go. I’ve also got P79, but I’m not sure how to incorporate that. I’ve read mixed things. Some say it acts as an enhancer, and other say it doesn’t add much to an overall combo. A case of YMMV, I’m sure.

I may take Mark’s suggestion for what to wear around Sarah and use that at the club. It’d be interesting to see what happens.

-D4

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I BET you’ll like what happens! :wink:

My thoughts on wearing the 1b mix was that strip clubs are already sexual environments with mostly hound dogs hitting on the girls and thinking they are gonna get laid, and the girls have their gurads at maximum alert. I thought it could be interesting to wear a less sexual and comforting/sensual mix and just see what happens, and it was!

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Mark do you have any experience with MX203? Tater calls it Instant Caucasian Magic, and Snakeeyes reported an interesting strip club hit up in his journal. Mainly I’m curious as to what it would add or even take away from the combo you suggested.

-D4

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iv been to the hustlers club on the upper west side… but that was before mones… i might try again over the summer… maybe a bit of A314 to get in cuz im young… but iv never really had any trouble with bouncers… good thing :roll_eyes:

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