I have done research on the forum, as mentioned earlier I have been browsing for a while now, and yes I have been able to pick up some info along the way.
Anyway, I need them for 3 different situations.
Being 24, becoming a Realtor is tough because you do not have the age to appear credible, so I guess something like A314 would give me a hand. Perhaps the addition of Instant Openness would help, but it seems like that’s it for work that demands respect and credibility.
I do currently work in a female dominated environment (and I do intend to capitalize from it!!). Im looking for something that is more upbeat, fun and perhaps a little sexy, but at the same time it doesnt lose formality or credibility as someone to look up to. I think something like Instant Shine and CTTM may work, but at the same time it kinda loses the respective end of things (for sales)
Last but not least, making myself more noticeable/attractive with less effort for women during casual outings or club settings.
Im wondering if there are any suggestions? Would be much appreciated
ps. It just happens that the places I hang out/work/live at has an extremely high Asian population (those of you who live in Vancouver area can vouch for this) so if anyone is familiar, please suggest products more geared towards the Asian population (and uh… yes… I am Asian myself)
pps. Preferably there are products that will overlap, only looking for about 4-6 products to start with if I can
pps. I read on the forum somewhere that prohibited members that had less than 1 year experience with products to order experimental mixes… is this true? Because I was looking to get an experimental variant of the A314 to start with instead of the actual thing
Vancouver Canada or Washington?
I am new here also and just got my first orders but I can hazard a guess that everyone is going to suggest AMMO, instant honesty and instant openness to your list. You might search Mad Taters journal also. I remember reading something in there about an attractant he found worked well on asian women but I do not remember what it was sorry.
Other items that you might think about would be instant gentleman and instant female magic I have read several things about the comfort factor they add that might help in your work and getting women close to you.
Just my two cents from reading posts, no real experience yet so might want to ask some more experienced people before purchase.
Ponderu
mmm personally I love the self effects of Shine. For respect, A314 seems to do the job well. When I wear it, some of my more alpha friends seem to be less alpha-ish around me and I feel more confident, even cocky. AMMO is great and from MY experience, SE asians, such as viets respond VERY well to it. I posted in my journal one of my friends saying that it got her wet just from smelling it from the bottle for about a minute and did not know why. I have not had much experience with openness but there are a lot of people who prefer CTTM2 or even spaceland to Openness and honesty, and vice versa. CTTM2 did not have its price doubled with the new system so you don’t have to really worry about that.
Here’s what I suggest for 5-6 products:
Shine
AMMO
A314
CTTM2
honesty x2 str
instant female magic or turn up the heat
If you’re trying to attract Asians, I’d say go with female magic.
However, biggest suggestion I can give you is to avoid a phero baptism. Try your best to test each phero one at a time, starting with low dosage and upping it. I’ve been testing A314, AMMO, Shine by themselves and in combo for about a month and even then, I feel I still don’t have that grasp of what each phero is doing. Patience really does pay off. And wear it just like you wear deodorant. Just put it on, and go with your day like usual. Going around LOOKING for hits isn’t too exciting. And play the role of what you have on. here’s a great topic for what I mean by that: Congruence? What's That?
I’m a newbie too, but I have had wonderful hits with a combo of:
A314
Turn Up The Heat
Instant openness
Instant honesty
You could substitute (preferably add) AMMO instead of TUTH, I say preferably add so you can use this combo to work with Ammo and then at night or dates with TUTH
Im just wondering, what is the difference between the 1X strength and the 2X strength? Do you see a significant difference? Assuming you have tried both concentrations
Thanks EJ
Soon I shall be amongst your ranks… SOON
oh, I have never used honesty. I’m recommending honesty 2x str based on what I’ve read from the forums. 2x is just 2x the amount of pheros. So double the concentration. It comes in 1x, 2x, and I believe 4x. A lot of people swear by IH x4 but since you’re new, I don’t know if thats a great idea. But just like with shine, I love that stuff and I’m definitely going to get 2x for sure, especially knowing what I know now. Since 2x is kinda in the middle of 1 and 4, I thought I would recommend that to you.
Again, like I said, depends on what you’re looking for. If you go for turn up the heat, and you’re around asians, be sure to buffer it well. My theory is that Asians do respond well to -none, as long as its balanced and as long as you’re not bathing in it. Everything in moderation right?
2x strength is double the pheros in the same solution.
i would totally recommend this since I am the kind that thinks invest now sow later. Instead of using 2 sprays you would be using one. You could also try half a spray and that would be one 1x spray.
If you want you could also buy some empty TOGO bottles and then add half a bottle of a 2x and then the other half of your favorite cologne thus making it equivalent to a one 1x spray.
If you are buying TOGO bottles I think 1 spray of a TOGO equals .8 spray of 30mcg presentations So one spray of 2x in a TOGO bottle would equal 1.6 sprays of 1x in 30mcg presentations.
Hey Luxferre, You’ve gotten sound advice from ponderu, zeph, and ej. I won’t step on anything they said. In fact I just wanted to tell them “Thanks” and shoot em some rep points for doing their homework so well.
Edit: sorry EJ I gotta spread the love before I can rep you again, catch you later.
I’ve already thrown in an order. I dont like to leave things dragging… and I thought spending half a day reading the forums has already given me a good idea of the basics.
Going to start with the TOGOs since they are a bit cheaper and that way I get my feet wet without having to dive into the water all at once
One thing to comment on Zeph’s comments, which I appreciate and had a decisive steering effect for me when it came to going with the TOGOs is that I am in general pretty good with women already, and with the different concentrations of it I want to start as light as possible, so I don’t go overboard on IH/IO (cant stand people that don’t know when to shut up… even if they are drop dead gorgeous )
Thanks again guys, will update when I get the stuff and do some initial testing of my own!
Luxferre, be sure to read both threads in Renny’s sig they were very helpful to me (don’t keep me from experimenting and messing sh*t up once in a while) but at least I know the risks and calculate them. i love experimenting and keep in mind it is all about having FUN!
And remember Tisha’s advice:
Renny could you please confirm if I am correct about the 1 30mcg spray = 0.8 spray of a TOGO?
You are correct EJ except it’s 30ml bottles. The amount of pheromones in each spray is calculated in mcg when dealing with experimones or putatives. But yes a ToGo spray is about .8 of a 30ml spray, even more precisely it’s .833333 ad nauseum. .8 works fine.
the amount of spray is .83. The amount of pheros is still whatever it says on the bottle. So if you put say 10mcg/spray from a regular size bottle (30mL) into a ToGo, you will be spraying 8.33mcg/spray from the ToGo. But say you order a 25mcg/spray ToGo, you will be spraying the full 25mcg/spray.
Thanks guys for the infos. I actually had ordered earlier today.
Order Included:
A314
P83
Come Talk To Me Mix 2
MX105
and from the TOGOs:
Instant Honesty
Instant Openness
IS
AMMO Instant Female Magic
Turn Up The Heat
Gonna b trying out some of the combos suggested, and I got a few others in mind I want to try
I was reading some more today and I come across threads that mentioned about some brews having side effects such as making others men aggressive or women too flirty etc etc… Is there a huge thread of side effects lying around somewhere Im not aware of?
Need to kinda watch for that stuff at work… I dont need the older female customers flirting with me or the male customers getting aggressive lol
But on the flip side there’s a pretty cute co-worker I usually work with. I guess Im trying to get the best of both worlds…
Another thing I guess I should add is that I conclude that I do produce a decent amount of -none myself when I sweat, and a bit of running around will make me work up a sweat, and at those times women tend to be “nicer” (im assuming this has something to do with the -nones I produce naturally) even though my body language and my facial expressions very approachable
Thoughts? flames (for creating such a problematic situation)? anyone? lol
Luxferre, check out the stupid newbie tricks thread in my sig if you haven’t already. There’s some info there about using one product at a time until you really get a feel for how pheromones work and what each one does by itself.
Of course with the selection you got you’ll HAVE to spray a little of everything on at once and wander about in a shopping center until you realize that nothing is happening. We all do it. It never works. Ya gotta pay a few dues but take your time and be persistent like Evolver says.
Renny, I have basically gone through all the stickys and all the heavily replied posts on this forum (yah I wasted a day doing it -_-") which included the stupid newb tricks thread as well
But yes I will be experimenting them one by one.
With ur second comment actually, I dont ever plan to do that. Im a bit more analytical and rational… I rarely try crazy stuff for the hell of it.
Regarding the huge thread of side effects, not that I know of. Pretty much the only thing that has “negative” side effects is androstenone which you have on ammo and tuth, less in A314 but present. This can generate feelings of aggressiveness in yourself or others as you have no doubt seen in the info you’ve read. IFM is based on A-1 which can have depressive efects on men, we think about 20%. Mostly it’s up to you to figure out how they work with your chemistry and situation. Again all the best to you!
I guess negative effects that affect others is what Im more concerned about. Im quite well disciplined emotionally, so what you mentioned with feelings of aggressiveness and all I will be able to recognize and suppress. What Im more concerned is having a 7ft giant mow me over after he gets a whiff of what Im wearing lol
(and uh… yes… I am Asian myself)
