The Obama DOJ compared gay marriage to incest

Actually, in terms of homosexuality, in Britain and America, there are quite a few who do believe homosexuality can be “cured”..

Gay ?cure? still sought by some therapists - Sexual health- msnbc.com (This one is a little vague on their methods. Immediately below is the actual document published by BMC Psychiatry)
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-244x-9-11.pdf

The camp that ‘cures’ homosexuality -Times Online

National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality
NARTH Home Page

http://pursuegod.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/uganda_conference_invitation.pdf

Defend the Family - The Pro-Family Resource Center

Notice these are all recent references :roll_eyes:

Dominick

Yeah, but the DSM (diagnostic and Statistical Manual) no longer considers paraphilias or homosexuality to be mental illnesses.

http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/GESUND/ARCHIV/MoserKleinplatz.htm

And people believe a lot of things. Belief alone does not make something the truth.

Diane

Thanks, I did not know that :slight_smile:
I was merely trying to illustrate the fact that we, as a culture, try and ‘cure’ people of things considered abnormal, doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be a mental disorder, just that it is considered ‘conditioned’ psychologically.

Indeed, but because the science behind research involving sexual orientation is inadequate at the moment, and I refer to the technology, the results of the various tests\studies are, really, inconclusive.

Truth, in this instance, is unknown and therefore, in peoples minds, whatever they think the truth is, is the truth. People have a tendency to be, unscientific. :roll_eyes:
Quite interesting really… ideas are easy to mold and shape, but beliefs, now that’s tricky. As human beings, we seem to hold more beliefs in live than malleable ideas. Surprisingly, it appears to be a method to survive. (In this instance our lives, seeing as we are at the top of the food chain and resources are abundant, specialism seems to prevail over generalism in the current survival scheme) It motivates us, and allows for something to strive for, it gives us purpose, and ensures we don’t end up living in a box.

This is an underlying social\cultural influence.. so doesn’t it seem that science is both contradictory and congruent to this view? I mean, science is the method by which we search for truth, but try to do so in a non-biased\objective way :slight_smile: But, we’re not objective creatures, the fact that we are searching for truth tells us that, we hold a belief! That accuracy, correctness, can be a definable thing. Science is, in a way, a belief system, but at the same time promotes ideas to be impartial! Got to love that!

Sorry about that, didn’t mean to digress, I just find it interesting :roll_eyes:

Dominick

You make some good points.

Human beings are foremost sensing creatures. We take in so much information and then we have to make sense of it. Everyone has internal models that they fit all that incoming information into. Even thoughts are rationalizations after the fact.

But science attempts to get as correct a picture as is possible with the tools at hand. The scientific method, itself, is designed to filter out the “human filter” and get at the truth.

Diane