I’m thinking of buying some IJ and not sure if I should. I’ve gotten some good results with TUTH combined with IO, IH and A314 (Ammo was out-of-stock when I ordered this). There’s this one lady (she’s 22 y/o Caucasian) I like and while she likes me, she complains that I’m too nice. We have made out when using my mix and she loves the smell of TUTH. Would IJ soften up my niceness and help things move along with her? I would only get the to-go version to test with her and maybe at the bars (to experiment with).
IJ, ahhh my favorite! You can actually use it anywhere! Just as long as you know how to buffer it precisely according to the place/s you’re going to be at. A nice hefty dose of Spaceland or IO greatly helps to buffer the high amount of -none in IJ. Alone IJ would yes, probably be too much -none and if you’re sensitive to -none it can work against you obviously. So IJ will definitely take some time to get to know how to use it wisely, buffer it precisely, and in order to know when and how to use it.
Some say that too much -none is no bueno, but honestly if you get good at buffering -none you can get away with using IJ (or any kind of -none in whatever amount you think is good just as long as you take buffering into consideration.)
I’d say to try out iJ at one spray first, go out BUT take a to-go of IO just in case you begin to see negative results. So for example if you go out wearing IJ at one spray and say you happen to see negative reactions that fit the description of -none OD commence to spray on one spray of IO then begin to take note of any changes. If you still see negative reactions then apply another spray of IO until you see decreased negativity. After doing this use this as a guideline on how to buffer IJ.
Hmm. Reading what you’ve said you’re doing very nicely without needing to add anything else. I wouldn’t bother risking adding something to a mix that is already working so well with that person. And of course the reason it works so well is because YOU are the one wearing it. Work on what you are doing rather than thinking mones are going to be the solution to take it one step further - I don’t say that being harsh or judgemental (I am also totally a work in progress as someone else on this forum called themselves) so please don’t take it as a criticism becaue it isn’t in any way.
Her words don’t imply she dislikes you in any way at all. To the contrary.
Adding IJ could work or it could alienate her. I’m guessing you’ve won over ladies in the past before pheromones and you can do so again now. Keep doing what you’re doing, wear what your wearing in the mones if that helps give that extra shine (and from what you say the combo of You + Mones seems to working fine) and I’m pretty confident you’ll be ok.
For what it’s worth I’ve also had the “too nice” comment. Generally this comes from me acting with behaviour that begins with low self-worth - ie. putting someone on a pedestal rather than treating them as an equal. I think that’s the hardest thing I learned in relationships - that worship is fine and good, and being smitten and falling head-over-heels for someone is totally fantastic, but I don’t think many people on the receiving end like it, especially not long term.
Let her know how you feel, but don’t act in a way that diminishes your value in her eyes. I might be wrong but “too nice” is sometimes a euphemism for “too easy” - almost like desperation to please because you like someone so much is just desperation. You and I know it isn’t, and it’s because we just want someone to know how much we value them but sadly that’s not always appreciated.
Don’t be a b*stard to her or play mean, just be yourself. Not just in a sense of being true to yourself but keeping your own identity and not revolving your world around her.
I agree with stevios as well, even if you were to wear IJ chances are she’d probably still consider you “too nice.” Wearing IJ won’t automatically make her change her mind, plus if you’ve already made out with her as stevios mentioned you’re definitely already doing something good. So why fix what isn’t broken?
I think that this may be something related to something else than pheromones. As stevios mentioned “too nice” can mean too easy, or that you probably give in too quick. Heck, who wouldn’t give in to a girl letting you make out with her, right? So if that’s the reason why she considers you as “too nice” then it’s not your fault. We’re men! It seems to me like she wants to be challenged, make her look for you, make her be waiting for your call, make her want you, and make her wait for you. If this is what she means by “too nice” then definitely IJ won’t make a difference, your “game plan” is what will have to change to a more “come to me instead” type of plan of action.
Is this the case? Do you give in too easy? If not, please tell us what that relationship is like. If a more dick or jock personality is what she’s looking for in you then acting that part plus wearing IJ can help make you more congruent with that type of personality.
Due to her age, she probably hasn’t experienced a “nice” guy in her life. She’s currently attracted to “bad” guys - jerks/assholes. She probably doesn’t know what to do with me. I treat her with respect and don’t do a lot of things I would normally do with others I like (ie open doors).
We work at the same company but in different groups/floors. From the moment I met her, we instantly clicked and have gotten to be close friends. Closer over the holidays as she broke up with her bf of 2 years. I was there to help her out through it and we got closer. I didn’t want to be her rebound guy so I didn’t pursue things with her. I know she likes me as we’ve gone out and she’s made the move on me with the kissing/cuddling. I’ve only used TUTH with her oonce so most of the attraction is natural. The TUTH kicked it up a little but she was hesitant to move it further. I also had on IO and A314. A314 was applied in the morning and TUTH and IO was applied about 30mins before heading out.
She gets more flirtatious the more she drinks. Another reason why we both may be holding back is that we do work together. As you probably know, they can take a bad turn if things go bad in the relationship. I’ve been there/done that so I know I’m also being cautious on it, as well as not being her rebound guy.
What do you think of adding Ammo to the mix instead of IJ? Just in general not for her specifically. I have FF21 (received it this week) but haven’t used it yet. May try it out this weekend. I’m unsure about the scent being “laundry detergent” like. But I am just sniffing it straight from the bottle. Hopefully once it airs out, it’ll be better.
Yes, yes I have. It’s pretty good but alone without a buffer can be too much/intimidating/lone wolf. Usually the recommended limit of two sprays of IJ as the store page mentions is enough although I’ve gone up to 3 or 4 sprays of IJ but applied hours apart and with added Alphanol and sometimes IH as well.
Usually I do 2 to 3 drops of A314 with two sprays of IJ, then buffer with Spaceland which is my preferred choice of Alphanol. Everyone is different though, so I’d be careful just to be on the safe side.
Ammo has all the bases covered, so you really can’t go wrong unless she is unusually sensitive to -none or hates the scent. Honestly, the only way to figure it out is to test it!
While I have only tried IJ once so far, I did notice that I was getting shit tested left and right. Be ready to handle that if you choose to experiment with it.
Since you’re 33 you’d be able to handle extra -none than the younger kids on here. However, if you already have AMMO I’d say just go with the AMMO, a lot safer and is more versatile. If you have the regular strength AMMO you can always spice it up with a spray or two of TUTH and/or A314 with a dash of IH or more IO to buffer if you feel you’ve over applied -none. But AMMO should be good, try that out first and see how it goes then once you learn what dose/s works well for you you will then know if buying IJ in the future would be a good option or not.
As far as she goes, if she’s into the “jerks” then that could explain that too nice comment. However, it seems like you are careful about getting too involved because of fear of being the rebound guy and the problems that come with a work romance so that’s a toughie. Maybe she sees that lack of pursuing her further as “too nice?” Maybe she’s seeing it as you being very gentlemen like, when you’re actually just being careful?
Being Asian, don’t I already produce lower -none than Caucasians my age? I think that’s what I’ve been reading.
I have both regular and 2X Ammo. Would using 2X Ammo + a spray of TUTH be too overwhelming? I would definitely buffer it with A314 and IO/IH. I like the great self effects I get from A314. Gives me that confidence boost I like, also notice I stand straight when I walk without slouching.
I’m thinking of 1/2 sprays 2X Ammo to chest, 3 drops A314 to front of neck, 2/3 sprays of IO to wrists (maybe 1 to back of neck) and 2/3 sprays of IH to back of hands/wrists. Maybe a spray of TUTH to the neck.
Guess I don’t need to use IG with her then! I still do pursue her but not as much as before. Maybe she wants the chase as she is so young? The younger girls seem to want to be chased more than the older ones (I’m talking early 20’s vs late 20’s). I’m going with the flow on this one. While I do want to get involved, it’s a tough situation to figure out (between her just breaking up with her bf of 2 years and being a work romance). I’m not waiting for her to figure herself out either. Working on other ladies as well.
Pheromones are very hit or miss with individual women because it’s impossible to know what her preferences are. What turns on one woman may repel another woman.
I think IJ can decrease the niceness of your vibe somewhat to people you haven’t spoken to yet. But it probably won’t change the amount of niceness people who already know you will perceive. I’d definitely try it in a bar situation and see what it does for you.
Shit testing is something some women do to weed out men that are weak willed or needy. It’s a good thing in as much as that she probably wouldn’t be shit testing you if she wasn’t interested to begin with. But then they’ll tease or make the occasional smart ass comment ie: they start giving you shit. To see how you respond, f’d up thing is that both extremes in your reactions are bad. If she gives you shit and you take it then you’re weak and she’ll lose interest, if you react by either getting pissed or getting all butt hurt then you can’t take it and are probably a bit too out of control of your own emotions. The proper response to a shit test at the risk of sounding condescending to women is to act like her dad and either ignore what’s basically a tantrum or very firmly put your foot down about what kind of behavior you will and won’t accept.
I placed my order for a TOGO size of IJ last night. It’ll be interesting to test it and see the results (in general). I’ll definitely will need to use it carefully and with some buffering. What would you suggest as a good ratio of IJ with IO/Spaceland/IH/IS to start off with? 1 to 3?
