If your using the VA methods and you “don’t seduce any one”, you “let them seduce you”. you are obviously not seeing the whole point in the VA method. Given I cant stand most of the routines and junk VA is so heavily comprised of (initially), but the whole point of the VA method is the approaching of women. A1 is opening for Christ sake, you mean to tell me your “peacocking” is so good you don’t approach? If you were to tell me that I should direct you too my forum and have you read my analysis of peacocking.
maybe you were just being arrogant in that statement but from a person giving another advice and saying that, you should not be giving advice at all to people on VA method.
also, who ever mentioned Mystery being cocky is right, he is a cocky bastard, with all the rights to be. Niel is probably a better PUA because of his initial peacocking phase and were that has taken him now and his lack of arrogance, its goes with the idea of “breaking stereotypes”, a Vin Decarlo concept.
BTW: VA=Venusian arts
VAH= Venusian arts handbook
Also BTW: a Hb9 is a super hot girl deemed hb9 by anyone who looks at her, its obvious
an HB10 is a hot girl with a personality to match, only you can decide if a women is a hb10 and that= marriage material or “perfect women”, the reason its in quotations is a hb9 is a hb9 and a hb10 is arbitrary.
This is how the rating system all experienced PUA’s use, or at least that of the AFS groups (were they all started).
The Mystery Method is great for AFCs, but I think as time progresses, and you build experience, it would be better for you to go direct via natural game. I highly suggest Carlos Xuma’s - The Alpha Man program. It will make you into a natural by working out all of the inner game problems that most men have been programmed to have. Dr. Paul’s Mind OS is also a fantastic inner game product that will help you address those problems. The VAH is fantastic for outer game, but the majority of the time men struggle because of the self-defeatist attitude, and also because of HORRIBLE social conditioning. I also think that a lot of men are using the VAH approach, so over time it will get played out as the word gets around, especially since Mystery is rumored to get his own TV show. This is evidenced in The Game when RSD went sarging the entire Sunset Strip -after awhile, women have just heard it all. You should only use it as a frame, and then build onto it by congruency of your own persona, and that is only achieved by building up your inner-game.
Also, you can find most of these products on bittorrent sites for free, but most of them are private, which means you need an invitation. You can try Mininova : The ultimate BitTorrent source! for the more general of the searches. By the way, if it’s password protected, all you need is a PDF restrictions remover, and you can find those with a free trial most of the time by searching google. I’d say that most of the ebooks are not password protected, but I know VAH is definately protected. Also, most of the products are the full versions, but they like to update their products by adding a few pages here and there to sike you into buying it. Just thought I’d point you into a direction that wont be a burden on your wallet, but if you want to buy it, then go ahead, because VAH definately works, as do the other suggested products.
The mystery Method is in truth very basic and the idea of scripts and routines get boring very quickly however it is a fantastic stepping stone. This is the process, A normal guy reads Mystery method and applies some of the principles. He begins thinking aobut how he dresses, starts building a social circle and social life by going out more ‘practicing’ he gets used to talking and socialising with women and fear of approaching becomes reduced. He also starts getting some results and develops the belief that he is an attractive man that is successful with women…
Over time he will drop bits from the method until eventually there is nothing left, it is all natural and what you have is a well dressed guy, with a large and vibrant social circle, comfortable talking to women and happy to start conversations wth any women he likes. he also has an ingrained self belief that shines through in everything he does…
Haha, what up Gem? When is the forum going back up at alpha interactions, and how is the site coming along? I actually learned a lot about PUA just by frequently hitting up your forum. I would attend one of your bootcamps, but I live in the States. A couple of the members on there helped me immensely, and even hooked me up with a few sites for information purposes. In fact, I would of probably never looked into natural/inner game material if I hadn’t gone over to the forum, so yeah, a lot was learned from the dating dynamics group, as well as the Mystery Lounge, of course.
Anyway, the latter is what I want to achieve. I’m still in AFC mode, but I am building confidence more than I ever have. This time last year I was an agoraphobic, and now I’m starting conversations with people I normally avoided. Paul Mckenna is the shit as far as hypnosis goes. I need to get linked with more of his work. Also, the Sphinx is pretty good for inner journey, self awakening, relaxation, etc. I’m going to download his confidence series shortly. I have always known that success lies within strengthening yourself, and everything else will fall into place. If you’re not up to par mentally and emotionally, then everything else will fall apart. The biggest thing I’ve learned is to say “Fuck what you heard, fuck what you know, fuck what you think you know, only I know me.” Once I engraved that attitude into my mind, then I finally became aware that what people said were based out of malice, yet there was a cause for that malice, and it was the fact that I allowed that malice to penetrate my personal boundary. The same goes for a lot of men and women nowadays - they let society dictate their reality. It can, never should have, would of, or could of been that way, but we let it happen. That’s why I’m glad that PUA exists in the fashion that it does - because it makes Psychology interesting by application to a common interest (women).
Anyway, I went off on a tangent with this post, but the fact is, PUA is more about self-improvement than it is about women, although most men get into PUA, because of the fact that they want to attract women. Let it be known that there is a great side to PUA as there is a dark side as there is with everything else in the game of life.
3 months behind schedule and $1000’s above budget but it is going live…TONIGHT!
That is awesome dude, nice one!
Yeah, it’s really freaky, I have tried it a few times but I always wake up about 30 minutes in with a really weird voice…have you worked out any of the riddles? I listened to it on the treadmill at the gym the other day to see what what happen…it shaved 6 minutes off my 10km time!
You talk a hell of a lot of sense…Alpha Interactions is no longer a seduction company (hence the closing of DDL), we realised we were barking up the wrong tree - we are now about self improvement, self confidence and social skills - women just come naturally…seems like the whole community is shifting this way…
my qualifications? haha thats cute. What I’m telling you is your obviously full of shit.
Yeah I noticed a flaw in some posts relating to advice for OTHER people (the point of advice being to enrich others lives). hence, I corrected it when I saw it (even if it took 4 months to notice). because time to respond to someone else garbage is relative? The point is I’m calling you out on bad advice, you obviously don’t like it! Best advice I can give to you, STOP GIVING BAD ADVICE! And as far as qualifications you tols me enough about you in your first post, and your response to mine, very weak.
and yes I have read the VAH.
Remember I corrected you on a few things relating to it (what VA and VAH means). I might know a little more seeing as how I actually know what abbreviations are being used by the community.
not to mention my point about the M3 model that totally flew over your head. You said “I dont appraoch women”, THE FIRST PART OF THE M3 is OPENING (aka the approach). But yeah your right, there are many more parts to the model…what point your making by referencing them, I have no idea.
So qualified, you basically just defended your self by asking me If I read the VAH? seeing as how your last point was erroneous and “beside” the point.
so heres a question too you, HAVE YOU UNDERSTOOD THE VAH?
by the looks of it you have not, by the looks of it reading comprehension is not a strong point of yours. maybe you should work on that rather then picking up women.
Qualified, haha. that was seriously cute, i’m going to share your post with some other forums if you don’t mind.
Here some more correcting of your posts. you might learn somthing if you stop “defending” yourself and absorb someone else’s advice.
Value is self determining, your value has nothing to do with other people. This is the golden rule too strong frame. The underlying factor in all these new “blueprint” or “magic bullet” programs. only you can control the place and outcomes of your life, only you have to live it. don’t let me judge your value. But in the same respect don’t overestimate your value by asking me about mine, Its obviously socially higher made evident in the way I handle your questions.
Asking a question to a question only works in verbal instances, its a form of dominant influence. ONLY IF the question being asked has no statements backing it up. also, asking a quesiton as a defensive response to a written question only seems weak.
ex: I asked, if you knew anything about the VAh and then listed examples as too why i’m asking and corrections to your post.
your response was: have you ever read the VAH? and then listed your perceived notion of it’s “mission statement”. which is not correct btw.
the answer being: Its obvious I have read the VAH, next?
So i’m glad you read my other posts, did you learn anything?
Not to mention a qualification in pick up could be considered exactly what you did in response too my post. you qualified yourself! The reason I actually responded to the initial post was in part to see who you were inside. Looks like you lost value, if you want to take it that way (like you did when you responded back weak like that).
IF you want more information or learning tools I could probably hook you up. you seem to have misconstrued conceptions of what is going on in the VAH and with the art of qualifications. more practice maybe, Hell this is almost practice.
read this and respond back the way I mentioned above and then read it too yourself, It will look a whole lot better. not only that but maybe even make you laugh at how easy the “art of rhetoric” is.
Well, I guess some people will never get it. After all, out of everything I said he only grasped this:
“So all your lengthy ramblings (BTW a DLV) were to “correct” my grammar of VAH and VA?”
you’re lack of ability to comprehend things is a DLV steveo, so Is the inability to use the proper acronyms when talking to a PUA about PU.
maybe you should drop a little cash on the interview series (1-14), its actually more informative then the book’s or DVD’s. maybe even a boot camp, of course you might want to use the correct acronyms there.
I highly doubt Steveo does any Natural game, His unawareness and comprehension problems point this out. Natural game takes social comprehension and congruency, not to mention a certain “frame” that is obviously lacking. The acknowledgment of a lack of knowledge is certainly better when trying to learn (or self improvement) over a “blind” offensive, he obviously chose the later. Not the frame work of a positive masculine mind, or at least a mature one. Likewise, certainly not one to take advice from. The secret to “natural game” is warm dominance, something Steveo has shown little of.
warm- being open to ideas, understanding, approachable, lack of cockiness, humor
dominant- never feeling defensive, leading, assertiveness, no need for self praise, C+F
Advice to others, don’t take stevos advice from now on, at least in respect to “pick up”.
steveo’s attitude: funny - in TANGO’s words “silly”
steveo’s self reported success with women: high
TANGO’s attitude: abrasive - in TANGO’s words “I am a Butt”
TANGO’s self reported success with women: minimal
TANGO’s advice: in the form of personal attack, and unrequested.
Also highly repetitive, i.e. “Have you read the VAH??? Have you read the VAH??? Well, have you?”
Anyone disagree? Besides TANGO?
This smells of tactics.
Denigrate or nitpick a popular forum member for a supposed DHV.
I for one am interested in seeing how it works out for TANGO, and I am looking forward to learning about his other social skills in future posts.
I know what you were getting at but it does not make much sense. It’s not the Tango as in “T”, it’s Tango as in the dance.
abrasive, but logical…do you want me to game a dude? Think about it, thats what usually happens when you get into the game (look at style, mystery and most of all tyler), you start thinking you have to be tact with dudes. There is no tact in the anamal kingdom, only force and directness.
If he does not like it tough, don’t talk nonsense and get things OBVIOUSLY wrong/ misinterpreted and I wont correct you.
you want to talk about “masculinity” or reported success with women? LIke brag about numbers? Thats real mature, If I wrote down every positive IOI I got form a girl in a week like most people on here do I would control the forums. For the record, an IOI is nothing if you dont act on it (open or escalate), I keep my mouth shut when ever I read this stuff but it really is weak game.
first of all you only share LR’s when your a newb, sex is expected at a high level of congruency and skill. I bet you still consider a close a “kiss” or “number”. I get at least 3 numbers a night on a BAD night, and a kiss is just an escalation tactic.
second, if you don’t like it just ignore it. its called a “freeze out”, you don’t have to respond to unwanted behaviors. your untrained and undeveloped EGO’s are controlling your responses. This is a DLV, and IT IS UNTACTFUL!
But enough with the “method” talk, bottom line EVERYONE, don’t listen and don’t care if you don’t like what your seeing. I don’t care what you think and you shouldn’t care what I think, that is how a mature persona carries it self.
It’s really as simple as that. But if you want to see the “outcome” of all this your barking at the wrong tree, I don’t compete or pay heed to dudes…there is no need and no competition, only outcome and my desire. I mean if you want to watch to see who “wins” you will only see lose on both ends, the meet fact we are typing to each other with out opening our minds is a lose.
And don’t be mistaken, I use the word “butt” because I AM AN ASSHOLE. just was not aware of the forums profanity rules, SEEING AS HOW I DON’T FEEL THE NEED TO POST OFTEN (LR’s and FR’s) I don’t know the rules and did not care to read them. in a philosophical context I’m a Positivists Reductionist, Rationalist Absolutist, Subjectivist Relativist, who is Extremely EXTROVERTED and Brutal logical/honest, in lay mans contexts a modern day Alpha male who does not give a fuck about you. And I will call bullshit on you IF YOU ARE GIVING ANOTHER PERSON ADVICE AND ARE WRONG. other then that brag and be a ass clown all you want, it’s your life until you give BAD or Untruthfully advice to some one else.
REMEMBER: by “wrong” I am a rationalist absolutist, everything I consider to be “truth” is considered and tested and then retested to find a “continual predicted outcome”.
Also: Quicksilver, how are you awarding points? IS there a system I am unaware of, or scale of PUA measurement other then a self concocted LAS VEGAS method? Or is this just value via peer?
You aren’t alpha, dude. You’re Captain Obvious with a grandiose complex. Alpha males don’t go around starting shit with a condescending approach -that’s not mature, that’s arrogant, and childish. I’ve yet to see constructive feedback from you - belittling another persons incongruence with your persona IS NOT alpha. It should be obvious that nobody gives a fuck about you, so cut the shit, and lay your EGO to rest. It is quite obvious that you don’t apply anything that your 2 page report entails. In fact, I think you’re a KJ trying to compensate over the internet for what you cannot produce in the field. It’s funny how you try to qualify yourself with blatant dialogue of DLV. I admit that you have the KNOWLEDGE, but your demonstration of alpha character is non-existant.
Quicksilver
That is a seriously warped view of the world dude, you will probably be really great with women once you get past it.