Out of curiousity - and in order to understand better some of the posts here - I bought a copy of The Mystery Method.
I haven’t quite finished it yet, it’s interesting - some bits I think are good and some bits I am not convinced about… but that’s not what this post is about.
Here’s my question and it is something I am genuinely curious about…
I bet a lot of women have read this book (and similar titles and websites etc) before me. So, here is my question to those of you who use or have used these techniques. Have you ever been caught using them? Has anyone ever said, for example, “Oh, you are using the Mystery Method (or whatever) right?”
I know a lot would depend on how she asked the question, ie if she was laughing or annoyed, but what would you do? Have any of you ever heard of this happening to anyone, or has it happened to you?
well, last fall one of the major free newspapers over here had a 2 page article about the game.
I was out with a few friends the day after. at about 2 am’ish we ran into 2 girls and tried to open them, even before the guy that opened had completed his sentence she asked “are you from the newspaper?” while it was asked kinda clumsily we all knew what she ment, and my natural defence mecanism kicked in with "yep, we’r journalists wink "
actually managed to get my first and so far only number close there.
iv had a few times before where we for pure practice were talking with girls and had set a rule for ourselves that we were not allowed to eject before there had gone atleast 15 minutes, and most of the time we just end up standing discussing game elements infront of the girls, and giving eachother constructive critisism ^^ (to surealistic for me to be able to be shy about it ^^ )
*Women in New York are beautiful, sharp, and clever, and can be difficult to approach. Yes, they often weed out guys that try to hit on them in a sloppy way. However, the techniques well-versed pick-up artists use are not sloppy. They are based in proven psychological and sociological behavior and provide effective results time and time again. Is it sneaky for men to employ said techniques? No sneakier than it is for a woman to color her hair or wear a push-up bra or high heels. We do what we need to in order to get the attention of the opposite sex.
I have a problem with the way this article portrayed pick-up artists as conniving losers. I’ve seen these guys in action and, let me tell you, this stuff works–even on me, even after reading up on the various methods. The article made them out to be ill-mannered clods who are quick to insult a woman, which is also inaccurate. Negging is about creating a playful atmosphere, not about lowering a woman’s self-esteem. It’s the grown-up version of hair-pulling on the playground.
Ultimately, I think these men deserve more credit than they are getting. Having met and interacted with quite a few PUAs at this point, I can tell you that none have been disrespectful or unkind to me, in fact, quite the opposite. I have had many fun nights out with these men and made some new friends. *
** What you need to realize is that my situation is unique. Most women do not study pick-up strategies devised for men. Most women also aren’t as accepting and enthusiastic about the seduction community as I am. The reason why I try not to be judgmental or disparaging about what these men are doing is because they are making an effort to be more successful with women. They are learning to be less shy and more charming and flirtatious. They try to create a fun, positive, and exciting experience for the woman. The credo many follow is “leave her better than you found her.” What’s so bad about that, that they wanted to get laid, too? Guess what, guys have always wanted sex and will continue to want sex. You can’t fault them for finally discovering methods that are successful. And, contrary to what your article proposes, the techniques work and will evolve and continue to work.
The thing is, we need them to work. If they don’t work, men and women will remain in opposite corners of the room and the human race will not survive. Sure, I wish there didn’t need to be so much strategizing, but with women becoming increasingly cynical and defensive, something needs to be done to break through that wall we put up. If we didn’t create so many rules to begin with, men wouldn’t need to play any game.
Let’s face it, we are all players and we all make or break or follow the rules. Don’t hate the players and don’t hate the game. It’s who we are.
12. There is no secret knowledge. As students of social interaction all we’re doing is modeling natural phenomenon, there is nothing secret about it. All women already possess the knowledge, that’s how they can tell an alpha from a beta. This is why commonly there is a notion that ‘Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus.’ Men think too logically when they should be learning to appreciate women for who they really are - little purple aliens Learn to speak Venusian.
13. Innovate. There are a lot of men out there currently using tried and true ‘material’ on women. They do well with this. Those guys are not going to like the fact that a lot of this is being exposed by the media. Those guys are not the ones that are coming up with their own unique personality conveying performance. Talking with those guys, it is obvious that they are not being themselves. Only use what we teach you to innovate an outward expression of your inner self. Most of you are actually awesome men. You just don’t have the social education to express yourself socially.
I have never encountered a girl knowing I was pulling “method” or “the game”, That only happens when you use routines that are common.
If you go to LA and try any of the routines mentioned in “the game” or the new (in stores) MM book, you will get caught. Those are all old news and any good PUA worth his salt creates his own routines or just plain vibes. Even my routines are being spread were I live because some wings overheard me use them with complete success, and now “spam” them to every girl they meet.
It angers me a little but gives me drive to create more, so I let them use them.
The reason I have never gotten caught using the “mystery method” is because unlike 90% of the AFC’s that read it (or any thing game related), I only took what was useful. Leave out all the routines and gimmicks and follow and adapt to the structure. Its cheep to use canned material on another human being, it also comes off as slightly insensitive or ingenious, thus is the reason Mystery and camp have so much trouble with LMR and the 7 hour rule.
Thanks for the honest replies guys! I was just very curious, so I had to ask! I don’t think there is as much awareness (certainly among women) of things like The Mystery Method over here. Although, I have noticed that some companies are offering teach-ins in London. I could be wrong though… it might be more common in those there “young folk”
May, i know that charisma arts has set up business in london (they have in a few different countrys now)
Oceanborn, the game works for just about everyone (i’v personally given up on it again after 3 years without any hits.. but for every1 els iv seen that picked it up, its worked.).
but while jackson couldnt become in instant pro after reading a book, it would be kinda like reading the rules of basketball. Instead of trying to score goals by throwing the ball randomly up in the air. it would still take practice to actually hit a goal, but he would atleast know where to throw the ball. and have a few ways of throwing it and dribbling and such.
almost everyone is in london now… even in venues that are favoured for running workshops (such as tiger tiger, site of the recent attempted car bomb) it is not that common for girls to have heard canned material before. and the trend for a while has been to move towards a more natural approach.
it should be stuff we learnt in school not somthing we have to relearn when we get older ^^
natural is good, im no good at it, but its better then canned, though comming up with something on the spot in a situation more scary then jumping out of 3 burning planes at the same time with out a parachute is not always easy ^^ (not that iv jumped out of a burning plane… i was though once in a smoking plane where they told people to stay in their seats ^^ )
but ya, even over here they are starting to open offices. I’v tried one of them, only thing i really got out of it was an emptier pocket., and some tips i could have read in books. (most of which i already had read in books..)
Still.. the other guy there got a lot out of it.
if you really want some high quality suggestions for self improvement, check out the posts by surfs_up over at LS. wish I had come across them when I was your age…
Personally I’ve very rarely used canned material to open a girl. The Mystery Method and other PUA material have helped me A LOT to understand and adopt the ATTITUDE to have when dealing with the opposite sex, be it for attraction or for common relationship.
There are million ways to “open” a girl (though I don;t like the term), her hair color/cut, height, clothes, make-up, style, posture, gestures, the situation, what she’s doing, etc. etc. Sometimes you don’t even need to comment on anything, just be confident, smile and say hi. Be natural. Voilà.
However I can tell you that none of this PUA culture has arrived to France – as far as I know. French school is unfortunately Old school (french galanterie and other bullshit). So one can use here what in the US is canned material
However, if I were to be unmasked using “material” or just be known to proceed according to the open-attract-amplify-close system, I’d definitely deny it, play dumb (huh? what’s that?) or turn it around in a funny way saying “I wrote it actually, I am Mystery” or something else like “so now you don’t find me attractive anymore?”/“I know you still find me attractive despite that” (depending on her ego size).
Guys, those lines are nuggets of gold for you. I’m giving them away GRATIS
HAHA!!!
love the question. The nice thing about MM is it has a built in response to “getting caught”. First off, I have to turn to Ross Jeffries who said that there is no such thing as actually “getting caught” if there is nothing you’re doing wrong in the first place!!! The game is purely natural interactions, broken down, analyzed, and molded into an algorithm --you’re never doing anything wrong, you just know whats going on, how to say what needs to be said – Many responses to “getting caught” are as follows:
“Yeah, I was even planning on meeting you and taking you home”
“Yeah, I was even planning on leaving here with a harem of women to have hot pig sex at my penthouse”
Ignoring her response with “whats that?” and continue into your next routine.
The true PUA has a response to every contingency, and is ultimately a master of improvisational skills.
