I want to buy a book about increasing game. There is Amazon.ca: The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists: Books: Neil Strauss and then there is also Amazon.ca: The Mystery Method : The Foolproof Way to Get Any Woman You Want Into Bed: Books: Neil Strauss,Mystery,Chris Odom
I was wondering which book gave the best information. I hear many people like the game, but that the mystery method was more step by step. I would rather get The Game, but I want to make sure it will have all the info that The Mystery Method will have in it. Also if this may help, I’m not into getting girls to have sex with me. I’m a religious dude who waits for marriage, so if all these books are about getting girls into bed with you as the mystery method book title says, please tell me so I don’t waste my money. If they still have great info that will help me hook up with a girl, let me know that also. Thanks alot guys.
I’ve read a bit of the PUA material on the net. It seems to be oriented to the quick pick-up. Sales material is very similar and oriented towards the quick “closing” of the deal.
I really wonder if this is appropriate for what you say you want. Given your goals, it may not be the best thing for you to have success with girls who are easy to pick up.
It may take a little longer, but finding a girl who appreciates who you are, rather than the act you can put on, may be well worth your time. After a couple of people have been together for a while, the PUA techniques won’t tend to mean much. They will find out if they are compatible. You may just confuse things if you apply PUA techniques and convince some girl she loves someone who isn’t really you.
I see what you mean there. And it makes sense. I don’t want to put on an act just so I can pick up a girl. I want to be able to get a girls phone number, or her messenger address, or set up a date or something, then we can get together some times to get to know each other. Does anybody know where I can get some good info for something like this.
Thanks Gone With The Wind
Oh as a side note, most of the girls I work on, are of the same religion as me, and so have the same goals and values.
I’m sure some others will be here to give you some additional (and different) viewpoints. I just wanted to say I think you are on a good track. Pheromones can help to spark interest in others, and also help with your communication goals. Don’t be in too much of a hurry. Also, don’t be afraid to just go talk to someone you’re interested in, or who has signaled interest in you. You may be surprised when a brave word turns into a deep and valuable sharing.
You have my best wishes for success in achieving your goals.
I’ll be quiet now.
Read ‘The Game’ its a good read, and will give you basic info you want. it also shows the evolution of the morals in the author, something yo may want to make note of.
PM your email and i’ll send you my copy, I’m done with it 
First of all, I would like to commend you on staying true to your religious beliefs. I, too, am religious, however, I did not wait until the appropriate time of marriage - this is partly due to the fact that I lost faith in my teenage years, and partly because I fell in love twice. It is better to find somebody within your belief system, because of contrast in lifestyle. Of course, you should already know that by now. The only disadvantage to dating somebody within your own religion is the fact that they tend to criticize the relationship far before it even develops. i.e. “Is this what God really wants?”, “God told me that we aren’t supposed to be together.” If you get my drift. I don’t think God would ever recommend ending a relationship unless it was warranted, but that’s just my humble opinion. Just remember that when you seek out a religious partner, that she is to be compatible to you with the same spiritual understanding. I’ll end it there with my lame attempt at counceling. lol. I’m just speaking from experience, not at all advising how you should live your life or seek out women.
Secondly, PUA, from my understanding, is more than just the steps to getting women into bed. Often that is the goal of men, but PUA does work on your ability to express yourself more thoroughly with ICE breaking techniques, etc. It helps to work on your self confidence, thus elevating your self esteem. Unless you are shy, and are unsure of your abilities, then the PUA wouldn’t really be of real value to you, other than understanding the psychological aspects behind attraction. Personally, I think you’re fine with pheromones for the goals that you’ve expressed in this thread, especially if you have already established rapport with your target(s).
I hope that helps.
Ah dunno if this would work for you, but back in the day I attended singles fellowships at an Assembly of God church and, sheesh, women were dropping off the ceiling onto me! I actually stopped going because the girls were too aggressive and focused on marriage. The Pentecostal thing of name it 'n claim it was too much for me. I just wanted to have fun & date.
Many born-again women really take a shine to you if you lead them in private prayer and Bible studies. Volunteering for church activities, especially leadership roles and music ministry, will make you more visible to admiring eyes. I’m guessing something like this would work better for you than attempting to close the deal via techniques from “The Game.”
IMHO, if you want to find just one great gal for marriage, don’t read all these books.
These books uses memorized routines and lines that are so ungenuine. Sure, they’ll get your dick wet, but I feel something is still missing from using these methods. Which is the heart-to-heart connection.
In the first chapter of “The Game”, Mystery went to the mad house, and I can totally understand why. After 5 years of using these methods, I almost go to the mad house too.
Without love, sex is just sex.
Thanks for all your great info. I would answer you all individually, but right now I need to go and milk some cows, lol, I might be able to later on. But I’ll try and use all your info, it all seems to go together nicely. Thanks again guys, your great!
OK I need to respond.
The game is not a PUA manual, but it is a story about the life of PUA and at that it is highly embellished upon. It will not teach you anything unless you feel you need to pick apart each line and try to decipher why it might work.
It’s like saying you are going to read Flemming’s James Bond books and become a spy! Ridiculous.
I wish I had seen this post earlier, but I’ve been busy living my life. Anyway if you want a good book on pick up go out and visit David DeAngellos Dating Tips - Secrets To Attracting and Meeting Women and buy his eBook. It keeps it simple and will help you along the way. You won’t have to worry about what to do when she wants to sleep with you. It wont get you to that level.
You can even sign up for his free news letter.
Just remember The Game is a story
TMM is a text book
Good luck
Thanks Steveo, i’ll check out the book? Does it go along with the mystery method, or is it an entirely different method?
It was very helpful information. I am somewhat outgoing with the girls, I mean, when we are in groups, I can be pretty funny and get the girls to laugh, if we are slow dancing I think i’m pretty good there. The hardest part for me is just walking up to a random girl to say hey and start initiating conversation. Thats where i need the most help. dances are fine and all, but there are social rules I think everyone follows that is hard to break. Like I can have a great convo with a girl while dancing, and i’ll want to continue, but the social rules say that when the song is over, the girl goes back to her group, and i go back to mine. I think it would be better for me to walk up to a girl and start a conversation, but thats where I need to build the confidence and get some game. Thanks for your info, it was very helpful.
I can see what you mean about girls going crazy about marriage. My religion is LDS- Latter Day Saint- and we have singles wards, it is quite common for single LDS girls to go crazy about getting married. I don’t have to worry about that to much now though, cause i’m only 17 and can’t go to the singles wards until I’m 18, which won’t be long actually. I could go at the end of this month though, hehe.
But anyways, girls in my church do like the guys who seem to take a good interest in church affairs. It is easy though for people to get involved, our church tries to make sure everyone has a calling to take care off, so I’m covered there, I usually get to ask people to give prayers, or I can give them myself, cause i’m a leader in my youth group among the young men of my age group.
THanks for the info, it was great.
Totally understand you there man. At the moment I’m not looking for marriage, maybe for somebody I could marry in say 4 years, but not right away. I’m looking for somebody to love, maybe snuggle up and watch a movie or something. no sex though. The main reason i’m interested in the game, or the pua technique is so I can get the girls phone number, or her messenger address, so I can set up a date or something. Thanks for your opinion man, it was very helpful.
No it subscribes to its own method of being cocky and funny. It is a GREAT start, but is designed to build attraction and doesn’t get into the nitty gritty of how to bed a girl.
For the price it’s a good investment and will help you understand the boy/girl dynamics.
Come on Oceanborn! TMM does teach canned openers but only to start the user out not for long term. Mystery tells the reader almost immediately the canned routines are used just to give the newbie and idea of how the interaction should go. He furthers that every user needs to create their own routines that are congruent with their identity.
If you have been using the canned openers for five years than yeah you need to check yourself into the asylum for sure. You’re missing the entire point of pick up and providing misinformation!
Correct me if I’m wrong but I figured you want to meet, socialize and date many women so you can find this one special girl?
Then I recommend How to meet and connect with women by Wanye Elise (a.k.a. Juggler)
And also Doc Love. He specializes in long term relationship kinda things.
I understand your point Steveo. What I’m saying here is any type routine, your own or someone elses’ is still a routine.
Routines are bad… m’kay, I believe every girl should be an handled like an art. Thus pick up artist. I never used the same opener twice.
Sheeeeesssh… you won’t develop behavioral flexibilty and behavioral (as well as perceptual) mastery from reading books… they MAY give you a collection of sort-of-useful ideas… anything that expands you range, especially storytelling skills, acting/behavioral skills, perception-awareness skills, will make you more interesting to other people… ideally, a good skill set should be just as useful in any life context, work… dating… negotiating… education… a test of the quality of a personal skill is how well it can generalize into other areas of life…
Exactly my point!
But OTOH you can say any story a person uses, mine are all true, are thus routines. I have traveled all over the world and lived in many different countries, so by me telling them to DHV spikes couldn’t that be considered a routine? Routines are not a bad thing: they get you to work in the morning, keep you safe, keep you organized.
I put my seat belt on every time I get into a car… It’s a routine and I consider myself more precious than anyone else, so by your definition that is a bad thing.
So I believe what you are saying is your routines are genuine and not made up, but all the same a routine.
New PUA need some form of basis to measure their level of success, thus the canned routines to help them along the way. If we didn’t have measurements how would you know if you are on the right path?