Best Books for improving 'Game'

Hey everyone, this is my first post on the main forum. Ive now got a whole 3 weeks of experience under my belt in the pheromone game with my purchases of A314, Instant Shine, Ammo and Turn up the heat. I absolutely love A314. It does everything stated and a whole lot more. I could go on about how great the products are working buy my main question is about what material i should be reading to improve my game. Im definately no AFC, but at the same time im no great PUA either. I see refernces to certain books by ‘Mystery’ and Neil Strass, but on looking online, there seems to be a million books on ‘how to’ improve your game. So which is the best of the best. Any help would be geatly appreciated.

Thanks.

one thing i learned a lot from, that someone suggested is looking for the mystery method. the neil strauss books are pretty good too, one is more about his conquests and the more recent is more for like tips and tricks to his game

the “best” product is the one that fits your needs - there is no one best product for everybody.
While i would say that Mystery Method is a must read to understand the basic concepts the preferences among products vary…

I also always recommend to read this overview The Seduction Community: A Confusing Mess | Kiss N’ Tale to find out which schools are out there and what they are about - so you can see which direction you could go…

You might also want to browse in the Lounge, there are a lot of posts about different products… Here are only the latest two:

I dont know if this is appropiate… I can recommed you to download in DELETED a ebook collection of almost all the date/social books ever! just find your favorite!

But most of the date books teaches you the principles of becoming an ALPHA MALE, the kind of man that attracts all women.

It’s not appropriate to recommend anything that causes a loss to others. Stealing someones work is causing them a loss.

Just remember the PheromoneTalk and Androtics creed: Make the world a better place by our actions :slight_smile:

Hey thanks everyone for your advice. I typed in ‘The Mystery Method’ online to find the book and apparently Mystery has a new book called Revelation out for download. Anyone read this or have any views on it? or should i just download The Mystery Method for starters and go from there.

Thanks

Well that sucks, I just wrote this all out and accidentally hit the back button, thus deleting it. OK so here we go again.

If you are new and really want a basic understanding of how and why women react to “bad guys” and why nice guys do finish last then I must suggest you start with David DeAngello’s Double Your Dating eBook. For $20 its well worth it, even if you’re advanced.
Dating Advice For Men | How to Attract Women and Use Pick Up Lines
He does offer some other very valuable programs, most of which I have seen, read, or own. His program on Deep Inner Game is incredible but VERY long.

My next suggestion is one of either two directions you could take.

  • The Mystery Method, but Mystery is not associated with the website that bears his name. It’s a long story and not believing in forwarding unnecessary feuds I’ll leave it to you to seek out why if you choose. You can still find his book in just about any bookstore now-a-days and yes its called The Mystery Method, or you can obtain his revised “Revolutions” eBook at his new website: www.VenusianArts.com

It’s also home to a very public forum that I used to post often too, but after the show came out just got to many trolls on.

Now you can believe the HYPE if you’d like about canned material, but do understand that the canned material is ONLY a guide or examples of how things work and not to be used as your own. It’s like a text book on how to write a good story. It tells a story, but that doesn’t mean you use the story as your own. Mystery offers a comprehensive step by step outline of how human interactions work and why. Practice makes perfect and with this program you need to practice. Take it from my many, many nights of practice, stick with it. The results are over the top once you master it.

  • My second suggestion is expensive but the value is incredible. Its a comprehensive learning experience that uses DVD’s, CD’s and text to teach, but oh my, what an experience it is. wwwRealSocialDynamics.com

Now I know that Tyler Durden got some really bad press and again, I don’t much care about the back story. I can tell you that his programs are valuable and IMHO worth every penny, albeit expensive. You might want to start with something like Mystery though and get a basic understanding of why what Tyler teaches works though as Tyler himself also learned from Mystery himself. If I had to recommend only one of his programs, hands-down, Flawless Natural! It’s Flawless and works miracles.

Only to be fair I’m going to add Love Systems Magic Bullets. When Mystery still had Love Systems, formerly known as The Mystery Method Corp he worked with a guy named Savoy. There were some lawsuits and lots of hatred that I just don’t care about. Anyway Savoy put out his own eBook called Magic Bullets, which to me is just an over analyzed version of the original Mystery Method. You can still pick up the Mystery Method in any bookstore and is a great way to go if you prefer an actual book to eBook. If you want though and really want to get into not only the outline of pickup, but an outline of the outline than Magic Bullets is for you: Home - Love Systems - Formerly the Mystery Method Corp. - Pickup artist skills and dating advice

If you are looking for something more natural then again I have a couple of suggestions. The first is going to be Wayne Elise AKA Juggler. His methods are really enticing to someone looking to be himself without getting to much into theory like the others I already mentioned. Please understand though, regardless of what avenue you take, you WILL need to work and practice at it. There will be some setbacks, but man-oh-man the first time you go home with a hottie after using something you learned is well worth it. Wayne ‘Juggler’ Elise’s Charisma Arts BTW, juggler offers some magnificent free podcasts.

I’m not sure why I’m even putting this here, but I want you to know my experience with PickUp101. Overall they have some OK material as far as natural game goes, but there billing SUCKS. It took me 6 months and charge backs through the bank to get them to stop the recurring billing. DO NOT sign up for any recurring billing. They were sending me DVD’s every month and many were OK quality, but what I didn’t like was some were the same-old, same-old just with a shiny new label stamped on. Really I got just a few good DVD’s out of the many, many they sent me. Lance Masons program on Kino was the very best I ever bought. It’s the only reason why I’d even mention them again. I’m not sure if its available as a single product, but truthfully if it wasn’t for that DVD, I would NEVER recommend them: Attract Women With Dating Tips and Advice for Men from Lance Mason, Pick Up 101, and the Art of Attraction

Another source for natural pickup is a great guy called Romeo. I learned so much from Jae Ellis (Romeo) when we went out together in L.A. He taught me all about being comfortable with awkward situations and using it to my advantage. I still use his stuff today and recently posted about some of it in my thread Ammo To the Rescue. Works like a charm every time. Dating Advice: Find A Great Relationship Or Date Like A Rockstar | AskRomeo.com. Just to give you a little bio about Jae, don’t let his model looks fool you. He practices what he teaches and I have film of live pick ups with him. The woman actually agreed to an interview with me. It was very incredible and I anticipate the day we release it. Jae used to teach for the creaters of The Rules for women. That’s right, he is so good, he taught women how to pick up men.

Of course once you have a women in your bed what are you to do with her? For this I only have one suggestion Sex Tips And Female Orgasm Techniques He is a master and a friend. I can tell you that I have associated with many of these guys and gone out with them. This guys is so genuine he is just an amazing person. His girlfriend is beautiful, super-cool, fun and taught me Yoga :slight_smile:. Whats not to love :smiley:

It’s funny, I actually met Alex because I was so hitting on his girlfriend, who as you might have guessed is beautiful. I was talking to David DeAngello and Alex Allman and just had to meet the incredible blond with perfect posture. David and Alex got a big kick introducing me to her and not mentioning that Alex, (12 year Krav Maga instructor) was her boyfriend. Yeah I’m not sure why I still recommend anything by either of them anymore. Haters I tell yah:o. They all got a good laugh out of it though.

He puts out a very informative, non-intrusive marketing wise email series too. Seriously though I have learned exactly what to do to keep the ladies very satisfied and “coming” back for more and more, over and over. Earth shattering.

Neil Straus wrote a little book called The Game. It is not an instruction manual, only an embellished story about how he learned game. Every time I picked it up to read I got about three chapters in and never completed it. Why you ask? Because I was so freaking motivated to get out there and make it happen for myself. He also has a program and another book called Rules of the Game. Very informative and a great introduction to his techniques. When we were at the Hard Rock in San Diego I got to witness some over the top pick ups by the worlds self-proclaimed “greatest” pick up artist. I was pretty impressed with what his book taught, and to be able to see it in action one on one at the bar was pretty freaking cool too. Neil is a great guy and a good way to get into pick up.

Some GREAT freebies:
Ross Jeffries single-handedly started the entire dating community. That is undisputed. Most, if not all, of the gurus learned pick up by Ross. Unfortunately he is not given his proper recognition, but regardless of what you might hear, Ross is a MASTER, the original to boot. He is giving away his program absolutely for free. You don’t even need an email:
Speed Seduction For Free

The best place on the net for all the original articles by all the original gurus. You can read all the back emails of David D and many fascinating articles on seduction. Truly a blessing to have around. It was the original alt.seduction.forum. You know the old email forums. Anyway its now Masf and is worth its weight in Gold: Fast Seduction 101: Art of Pick-up and Seduction An Invaluable resource!

Another great site of how a Lair should work
Bristol Lair - Pickup Artist (PUA) - Seduction Database - - Pick Up and Seduction Database

PickUp Podcast: These guys produce podcasts of extreme value:
Home - Pickup Podcast - Where Gurus Gather I’m really not sure if they charge or not since I got hooked up with them through Alex Allman and have a subscription that was given to me.

There are so many blogs out there on pickup its ridiculous. I’ve cut it down to just a few that I read now.
Roissy can be quite funny at times, but sometimes crass and a bit immature but worth a gander and often: Roissy in DC
If you have approach anxiety you need to read: Approach Anxiety especially his early additions.

Of course if you just want humor and silly antics and some pick up posts there’s that crazy spontaneous blog of yours trully (yeah a shameless plug, but sheesh look at all the work I put into your response) www.JunkyFungus.com

Yeah there are hundreds more but understand I only added the ones I can remember off the top of my head. I’m sure others will fill in the blanks.

The key is to find the one you are comfortable and STICK WITH IT. You’ll read some members on here that are really flighty and want an easy way out. They’ll talk about a different one every week and ask for reviews of a different one each week. Just remember there are those that will never find the success they seek, only because they want a super easy way without putting in any work.

I can tell you it took me a good year to really get a grasp on the system that I use. Another year to fully comprehend what I learned and put it to task. Yet another year, I am currently in the midst of, to start creating my own style and become comfortable enough in my own life. Yep you read that right, three years of pushing myself and to this day I still have set backs.

But I can say it was worth every step of the way. Every woman I have grown to love and experience. Every slap, every awkward moment, every blowout, every one night stand, every heartbreak, every first kiss, every single time I have fallen in love. I could have taken the easy way out and made excuses how I am not one of those creepy pua guys. How I’m reading this book this week and that book next week. No my friend, I chose to read a book (David D) and it taught me why woman like jerks. From there I read Mystery Method and it was tough going. I wanted to stop and read others. I wanted to quit. I wanted to crawl under a rock at times. I kept steady on the course and made all the adjustments over time. I set my sights on the goal and the very first time I got to kiss a girl in a bar made it all worth while.

Just 6 months earlier I had NEVER even approached a girl in a bar. It’s a wonder how I had ever gotten laid before. I was an AFC and its damn good to not be one anymore.

Good luck in your decision and let me know if I can help in any way :wink:

Thanks Steve, your the man!!
Your reply basically answered all my questions.
Ive read some of your posts and seen the descriptions of how you played your cards with different girls in different situations. Nicely done. Ill get started looking into some of your recommendations very soon.

Thanks again
Voodoo

Steve thank you for all the reviews, this was also a question I had wanted to ask you for a while. One thing though Steve, I have to ask, what do you think of style’s Stylelife academy? I think it’s something that so many of us are curious about since it’s his more serious PUA stuff after all of the attention his book got…

I haven’t read any books on pickup tips or anything like that- but I did watch that The Pickup Artist show, and it all seems like such a joke to me. The kind of women who would be enchanted by the behavior he trained the guys with really seem like a waste of time. If you can’t figure out how to pick up these girls…you’re not trying (remember “We’ve tried nothin’ and we’re all outta ideas, man?”).

You don’t need “game” or any kind of tricks to meet women for sex, friendship, relationships, etc. Just like anything else in life all you need is confidence, and the great thing about that is confidence is incredibly easy to fake.

damn steve that is an arsenal and a half. you should be the grand master of getting gunches with all that material. :smiley: steve leaves no stone unturned.

good point, ross jeffries after all these years says he is still learning. keep on trucking.

I’ve heard some very good reviews on Neils stuff. Plus I’ve seen him in action. Solid stuff there too. Neil tends to attract a very particular type of woman but the ones I’ve seen him with were hotties.

Not even half the stuff I have. I read everything because knowledge is power and 99% of whats out there is based on the fundamental principles of psychology.

I have an entire library dedicated to psychology. The point to remember though, is while I read everything when I was starting I stuck with ONE method until I had a complete understanding. Only after I understood the concepts, did I incorporate other things into my mix.

And I guess with all your “power of persuasion” that’s why I can read this statement at a forum dedicated to pheromones. A tool, just like pick up, but by your very statement you have no need for. You might need to reevaluate how hard you’re really trying :roll_eyes:

you might try a book by a Uk PUA called Clive Webb [how to pull women]. he has all the tricks in there. i would also suggest a decent book on body language so you can ‘tell’ when the lady is warming to your charm. just dont make the same mistakes that 95% of the men out there make. “he baby,youre so hot”,“what’s your cell number?”,“can i buy you a drink”.

Steve, Your post was awesome! but do you have any good books
about body language? sure theyll be very helpful

in terms of reading the body language of a woman who is attracted to you,you really only need the book by barbara and allen pease. i thinks that’s the spelling. they also show you how to handle twerps who are trying to amog on you or fib. that book and the clive webb are both on amazon co uk for quite cheap.

Do not read any book…I can sum in a few lines and save you money

I have said so many times in the past it just takes a few simple things to improve:

  1. most important thing to do is SMILE, if you come across as a perv then it is over

  2. EYE CONTACT

  3. be CONFIDENT

  4. Approach say hello make some small talk and just be yourself and compliment her on her looks or article of clothing or her perfume or accessory, women love compliments!

take it from there…and be yourself..any book you read will give you all these other tips and stuff that will not be yourself..and you will come off as a player…and women see you a mile away

that is all I do…and I get numbers all the time and go on dates all the time and have even dated a celebrity..it really is not rocket science

everything else out there is just a way to get money off of you…sorry but unless you have no personality or ugly you do not need books to improve game

not all of them. there are guys out there who actually feel the guy’s pain and want to help them out. not all guys have the personality or the looks to get women. in fact they probably have been rejected so many times and that’s why they are seeking help from others.

tiger woods even has coaches and still uses them. you can always get better and there are others out there that can help.

yeah but if they don’t have personality or looks no books can help them with that

it goes back to what i said above…there is no magic this or that…it really is simple

just have confidence and go up to 20 girls a day and i guarantee you will have at least one date, it a numbers thing..

the thing is what works for one guy who wrote a book will not work for another..

it just simple rules

be yourself..smile, eye contact, smell nice, wear some pheros that help attract, dress nice, and approach it really is not rocket science

canned openers do not work, just know how to make a girl laugh works better then anything else out there