Hello guys,
I just finished reading No More Mr. Nice Guy. A lot of the material in it is actually all over this board, but it was a good read and I had a few moments in that book where I felt all too knowing of the subject.
Definitely a good book that I would recommend to anyone who thinks they might be struggling with nice guy syndrome. Most likely, you are and don’t yet know it! The book explains just how common it is and why.
I am also starting double your dating by David DeAngelo. Anyone know how good this one is? I think I have Mystery Method on my computer too, but its an audiobook and I don’t like that too much.
I read the book “how to be the jerk that women love” by F.J. Shark before I got into mones and it helped a lot. This added with some actual instant jerk really helped (his behaviors mixed with the mones)…Although I only skimmed through No Moe Mr. Nice Guy I found the books similar
Mystery Method is a great introductory product, as are any of it’s spawn. Style Life Challenge, Savoy’s Love Systems etc. I consider that stuff to be like Pickup 101. Essential for starting but not where you want to stay. David D is Great as is Carlos Xuma. Both focus more on inner game and really just being a strong, confident, mature man that naturally generates attraction. RSD is great stuff too but more of a clubber player school of thought while Deangelo and Xuma are probably better for finding a quality woman for a more long term relationship.
The Blueprint DVD set is probably the ABSOLUTE BEST THING I"VE EVER SEEN IN MY HISTORY OF PICKUP!!! …if you can find it or afford to buy it…IT WILL change how you view women yourself and social interaction PERIOD.
I have to agree with HappyTappin I liked the Blueprint (never finished it) but I did not list it because it was not a book (it’s a DVD) but it definitely something that helped me.
how come no one said anything about ‘the game’? or does everyone already know about this so it not worth mentioning.
read it about 2 years ago. one of my favorite books.
Good thread. I was just thinking about this the other day. I’m reading Mr. Untouchable, All the Names, (those have nothing to do with getting women but they’re good ass books nonetheless) and some books on music publishing right now but when I’m done I play on diving into some stuff on NLP, pickup, etc.
I love this thread it reminds me of the days I used to really dig the whole PUA thing..
I guess the best advice is focus on more on how you feel internally. Because if you can improve your mentality to be rock solid and become unf*kable (as in no one will wanna fk with you) then just concentrate on being fully congruent (so if a girl tries to shit test you) it won’t work. You will project that extremely attractive aura about you that girls will totally fall in love with.
all the mones you wear. Girls will naturally melt like butter next to and around you it’s really funny. You can actually get so good at it with only your body language, that you won’t even need to say much to them… they’ll just be naturally drawn into you and they won’t understand why.
It’s nature - and what it means to be a true alpha male. So confident, strong and powerful. Unshakable.
I gotta say, without trying to sound like a total chump, this PUA stuff is not what I thought. For the most part, it seems like they really want you to succeed and treat women how the actually want to be treated.
I think this stuff gets a bad rep for no good reason.
I am interested in NLP too but have no idea where to start with that.
This one’s a small masterpiece… nothing else quite like it for insights into what happens next…
garnered so many one star reviews on amazon he must be on to something… even if it is something negative and nasty, it is uncomfortably close to reality… very uncomfortably so…
I think unfuckwitable would be a better way to describe that. Unfuckable doesn’t sound like a good thing at all haha. Definitely some good advice though. Props.
Me either. I was just going to head to the local library and see what I could find on the subject. Maybe someone has some suggestions for books on that subject as well…?
I skipped “The Game” because it’s more a novel than a “how to”. The thing about “natural game” is simply a matter of guys developing social intelligence and personality traits to where they almost follow the M3 model without realizing that they’re doing it.
I think by going with the M3 Model and other variants of canned routines, indirect game etc. a man can see THAT certain behaviors work and as he progresses and learns more natural game schools of thought he develops an understanding of WHY certain behaviors work. Nobody needs to know exactly how a car works in order to drive, but learning it later can help you avoid/fix car trouble in the future. That’s why I think Mystery Method, Magic Bullets/Routines, and Rules of the Game are the best place to start. It’s not better than any of the other stuff…just better for beginners imo.
Here’s the thing, before I got into game I used to like to debate…actually one of the qualities that was blocking my ability to land women. I had my views and it was more important for me to be right…and acknowledged as right than to get the girl. Being a debater made me always look for consistency in my own views and my adversaries arguments.
So when I began to study game I looked at the actual qualities being communicated and instead of reciting canned routines from books I wrote my own stories. And this is something I have guys I’ve coached do. The criteria being the stories must have at least one attraction spike embedded and more important it must be TRUE. An actual time I was in the role of a leader of men, protector of loved ones etc. But beyond that, knowing what the attraction spikes are, I modify my lifestyle to give me more opportunities to actually develop those qualities in myself.
The game as it’s taught is fine for one nighters, and maybe even short term flings. But unless you focus on you and work to become what your game is advertising yeah eventually the “real you” shines through. And if the real you is a shy timid guy that wants to steal a girl away to your nerd lair for sex in between rounds of Warcraft then yeah it will fail. But if you BE the game, then you should be good.
good post radman, but when i read the game i learned a few simple things and i believe that the game is a good starting point, and also a motivational book to begin picking up girls/women. an example of something i learned was approach a girl from the side, from the corner of her eye, as opposed to from behind and tapping her shoulder, so you dont scare da shit outta her, or to double take on a girl instead of straight staring at her so you make her feel as if she was worthy of your head moving in that direction again.
Books that have helped me to become a better man / Human being:
The Way of The Superior Man - David Deida Must Read for both sexes
The Way of The Peaceful Warrior -
The Power of Now - Eckhart Tolle
A New Earth - Eckhart Tolle
The 50th Law - Robert Greene
Iron John - Robert Bly
Change Your Thoughts, Change Your Life Living The Wisdom of The Tao - Wayne Dyer This I read as my devotional every morning
The Four Agreements - Don Miguel Ruiz
You Can Heal Your Life - Louise Hay
The Answer - John Assraf
Leadership books by Jim Rohn, John Maxwell, of course Napoleon Hill are all great too.
DVD’s
Deep Inner Game - David Deida and Dr. Paul
The Secret
You Can Heal Your Life
Movies:
Conversations With God
Into The Wild - Fantastic Flick
Okay there are so many more…but there’s a great start.
While this statement is true, it is actually quite a valuable tool because he does give you some tips while telling the story.
The Mystery Method is a great book but you really need to pick up the companion book The Pick Up Artist. It is a novel of sorts, but it is written that way to keep you extremely entertained while he is giving the student in the story his lessons.
I love David DeAngelo’s stuff, I think Inner Game is extremely important because any guy can learn to pick up a girl, but it takes a real man to know how to “keep” one.
I personally still run into that situation where I get the first date and it all goes so well, but just don’t here back from her after. Some of the girls are just flakes, but I also know that it was because I was dealing with some carry over issues with my “true love.” The oneitis I spoke of in my introduction. Women are so keen on that inner game stuff, so you better get it right.
I am currently going through Swingcats Real World Seduction book and have gone through his Sexual Connections CD set. Swingcat is Gimble from The Game. This “kid,” knows his shit. I have learned so much about flipping attraction switches, and amping up my prizability listening to this guy. The insight he has is just amazing. I just imagine this guy in a lab coat running a bunch of PUA’s through mazes looking for cheese to get all this info he has…things I never even considered.
Oooh I love talking about game, self-help, spirituality books…I’m one of those “seminar junkies” they refer to…and this is just another sticking point of mine.
I used to get mixed results when I first started studying pickup. Some nights I’d get an F close so easy you’d think I drugged her but then nothing, no follow up or call backs. Other nights I’d get a kiss close and/or number close but the girl would turn into a very prim and proper type and make it clear that sex was a future payoff…possibly distant future.
Wasn’t sure why the inconsistency but as I read more material I realized I was varying the focus of my game. Some nights I was very physical, and DHV’d a lot with negs and IOD’s and would score a same day lay. Other nights I focused a lot on hitting the value switches (attraction switches according to Mystery) and played up my NON sexual value. Between knowing the attraction switches, and reading Vin Dicarlo’s stuff on the difference between attraction and value I came to my own conclusion that attraction switches are more accurately “value switches” and attraction is simply another type of value. When I focused on my sexual/genetic value I got great buying temperature and could close easy but most likely hadn’t presented enough non-sexual value that the girl likely had morning after regret for sleeping with what she probably thought was an obvious player with no long term value to her. When I focused more on non sexual value…leader of men, protector of loved ones etc. I was putting myself in “boyfriend material” category. Not a bad thing in and of itself but it still creates the frame of trading my S value for her R value and they wouldn’t want to risk just giving away the sex too early. Now I try and balance them, I’ll micro-calibrate and if she seems to have a high buying temperature, I’ll try to keep it there but also throw in some tactics to convey that I can be more than a night you’ll enjoy but regret later. If I feel like I’m getting a vibe where I’m pretty certain that I can get a number and have my calls returned BUT I’m not getting the sense that “tonight it’s ON” then I’ll go into teasing mode, start framing like she’s looking at me too sexually, and other tactics designed to get her into a sexual state of mind.
Look at it like Instant Jerk gets the girl right away but she never calls him again afterwards (and he’s usually ok with that)
And the A314 guy is so valuable as a long term investment that she’s afraid if sex happens too soon she’ll lose him.
The ideal, for me at least is to get her buying temperature so high that I have a pretty good chance of scoring a same night lay, BUT for her to know enough of my other qualities that after sex when her state is changed she still see’s me as a guy she would want to see again.
Awakening the Heroes within: Twelve Archetypes to Help Us Find Ourselves and Transform Our World
I’ve read a lot of “how to improve your game” books and this one is better than the lot of them. It’s not even a ‘game’ book but it is the one I’d recommend.
it reminds me of the days I used to really dig the whole PUA thing..
Definitely some good advice though. Props.