Three Blind Mice!

[Tigerlilly]

@renny

I’ve got to defend Sillykitty here. I think people were right to advise her to think more thoroughly about pheromone testing around small kids in the future, but it wasn’t that horrible of a thing to do… Diane, if I ever had an extreme reaction to any of these products that I would compare to an illegal drug, I would stop using them and ask for a refund. I think you are way out of line here and that’s my 2 pennys.

Wow - I am shocked. Utterly mortified and shocked.

Renny, I believe Diane was viscerally reacting to the flippancy of Kitsune’s response.

@happykitsune

Still the thing is there were no negative effects and thats all that matters. Children are old enough to tell you if they have a headache. Now babies are another story, but children are perfectly capable of telling you…their not stupid. So I’m gonna have to side with Mark. Besides that how are we gonna know if their able to be sprayed around children? It’s not like were scaring them for life or severely hurting them.

YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT.

Please let me refer you to this post: Feeling high on pheromones? & tonights experience. In post # 4, Lor mentions her son “…gets as depressed as one gets…” around IFM. When asked, Lor stated that her son said, “Mommy, why do I just want to die?” Her young son became suicidally depressed very suddenly. He did not know how to process this feeling. I am so thankful that he reached out and told his mother his confusion and pain. You may not be able to see the pain that you cause! This is far beyond a headache or a simple pain.

In addition, pheros around youngsters burn out their neurotransmitters more rapidly than we do. There is a reason they react stronger/“better” than adults.

The point is, these are experimental products. I don’t care that Mark knows what’s in the bottles. He doesn’t know SK or HK, or CK, or any of their kids/grandkids. He cannot state how someone will react to a certain phero. Lor has two children - one reacted with severe, severe, depression, and one reacted normally. We have seen time & time again how different people on this forum react differently. Just knowing that Mark feels “good” about what’s in the bottle DOES NOT mitigate the action of spraying a child. Jesus, we’ve had people have terrible reactions to SHine and TAA - one that we all “assume” is safe and normal. INDIVIDUALITY is the name of the game in this business. Individual, responsible testing.

@Diane999

You don’t know that. And that is the point. Putatives are not toys and they shouldn’t be used in a lackadaisical manner. Would you give your 3 year old meth amphetamine? That is the reaction I got with a low dose of P100.

I’m sorry, but spraying putatives, or any unknown substance in the general direction of a child is just as irresponsible as smoking crack around one. I’m sure whoever is doing that will say no harm done as well.

I saw nothing in that post that was out of line. Renny, Diane’s reactions are very very different to stimulant-effect pheros due to her unique bio chemistry. Which is exactly the bloody point of this whole thing - everyone is different - children, adults, ADD, vitamin takers, men, women, etc. Individual testing, not random spraying, not spraying on children, but informed, knowledgeable testing is the only way to get a true baseline on these things. Diane’s experience with one phero is unique to her. She knows her self intimately and can understand why.

Now, suppose the grandkid of SK had pre-diagnosed ADD and she doused him with P100? Or was a bad responder to IFM? Or was allergic to Neroli? Or anything? The “what if’s” are too numerous to count.

@happykitsune

I don’t know what? That children will give you some indication that they are hurt? They sure will. I’m studying that aspect right now and even infants will cry out if something is wrong.

I believe that you are out of your flipping mind. You are in college, and I think that a majority of the parents on this forum are sighing at your naivete. You are a student - studying a class on Child Psychological Development is a far, far cry from actually having kids. I have a degree in psychology too, but NO amount of books, studying, seminars or lessons prepared me for my two kids.

@happykitsune

Now if they get a strange affect then you’ll probably only hear from the older children (2 yrs and older) but even then, what harm could come to one session of spraying pheromones? It’s like someone doing weed one time. It barely scratches the surface in contrast to totally ruining you for life. I say if you don’t condone it then don’t do it, and if it happens then it happens. This isn’t weed and like Steve said they won’t hurt you, so why worry? Especially if it only happened once.
But like I said. It’s all up to peoples opinions. Maybe one day we will see what the effects of pheromones on children, but for now I’m sure something that comes from the body isn’t going to ruin a child if only sprayed once.

Once again, I believe you are out of your ever-loving, flipping mind.

1. There is anecdotal evidence on this forum alone, and all over the internet for harm come from “just one spray session.” I will refernce back to Lor’s son, as that is directly related to the child issue at hand.

2. Lor actually wasn’t wearing the IFM. Nor was her son. Someone else was and was around her son. How about that for “don’t condone it, don’t do it” ?? These things affect people. You must be cognizant of this.

3. Suppose Lor’s son really didn’t know how to process his emotional state and didn’t reach out to his mother. Just suppose. How about that? Still feeling flippant? Still feeling like “one exposure wont hurt?”

4. I’m sorry - these phero’s are not natural. Yes, yes, the pheros we produce are, however, at the levels that we are wearing them to artificially augment our signature, they cease to be natural. I believe that “what’s natural for you is good for you” argument is utter bollocks and trite shoite anyway.

@renny

Edit: I forgot to say that although we may each have our own ideas about how we would like to see the testing done, it is all up to the brave ladies who are doing the test to do it anyway they please. Guerrilla research at it’s very finest!!!

Actually, I have my doubts. I believe the idea of this is great, however, I would have chosen individuals who were more cognizant and more respectful & responsible towards the pheros, their uses, their potentiality, and the experiments. I would have chosen Veteran Users. I think this was inspired by a post of Tisha’s where she did some blind testing - great idea, but good god - Tisha is a Phero master. Not only that, she knows herself and knows those around her. Her experimenting & reports are consistently reliable and unmistakable in quality. The same cannot be said for many on the forum.

Alright, preparing for incoming - let fly.