got to love when people WITHOUT children think studying it is the same thing.
heres what:
i HAVE children.
NO, they dont always tell you when they are freaked out or not well, they are still learning to wrap their heads around why its happening themselves!
i would like to remind EVERYONE what happened to steve when he posted about using too much TAF.
he thought he was going to die.
re read it.
Initial experience with TAF - Page 2 - PheroTalk Pheromone Forum
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again,goodluck.
You don’t know that Putatives will not harm a young child. Please read this again:
Diane
Wow - I am shocked. Utterly mortified and shocked.
Renny, I believe Diane was viscerally reacting to the flippancy of Kitsune’s response.
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT.
Please let me refer you to this post: Feeling high on pheromones? & tonights experience. In post # 4, Lor mentions her son “…gets as depressed as one gets…” around IFM. When asked, Lor stated that her son said, “Mommy, why do I just want to die?” Her young son became suicidally depressed very suddenly. He did not know how to process this feeling. I am so thankful that he reached out and told his mother his confusion and pain. You may not be able to see the pain that you cause! This is far beyond a headache or a simple pain.
In addition, pheros around youngsters burn out their neurotransmitters more rapidly than we do. There is a reason they react stronger/“better” than adults.
The point is, these are experimental products. I don’t care that Mark knows what’s in the bottles. He doesn’t know SK or HK, or CK, or any of their kids/grandkids. He cannot state how someone will react to a certain phero. Lor has two children - one reacted with severe, severe, depression, and one reacted normally. We have seen time & time again how different people on this forum react differently. Just knowing that Mark feels “good” about what’s in the bottle DOES NOT mitigate the action of spraying a child. Jesus, we’ve had people have terrible reactions to SHine and TAA - one that we all “assume” is safe and normal. INDIVIDUALITY is the name of the game in this business. Individual, responsible testing.
I saw nothing in that post that was out of line. Renny, Diane’s reactions are very very different to stimulant-effect pheros due to her unique bio chemistry. Which is exactly the bloody point of this whole thing - everyone is different - children, adults, ADD, vitamin takers, men, women, etc. Individual testing, not random spraying, not spraying on children, but informed, knowledgeable testing is the only way to get a true baseline on these things. Diane’s experience with one phero is unique to her. She knows her self intimately and can understand why.
Now, suppose the grandkid of SK had pre-diagnosed ADD and she doused him with P100? Or was a bad responder to IFM? Or was allergic to Neroli? Or anything? The “what if’s” are too numerous to count.
I believe that you are out of your flipping mind. You are in college, and I think that a majority of the parents on this forum are sighing at your naivete. You are a student - studying a class on Child Psychological Development is a far, far cry from actually having kids. I have a degree in psychology too, but NO amount of books, studying, seminars or lessons prepared me for my two kids.
Once again, I believe you are out of your ever-loving, flipping mind.
There is anecdotal evidence on this forum alone, and all over the internet for harm come from “just one spray session.” I will refernce back to Lor’s son, as that is directly related to the child issue at hand.
Lor actually wasn’t wearing the IFM. Nor was her son. Someone else was and was around her son. How about that for “don’t condone it, don’t do it” ?? These things affect people. You must be cognizant of this.
Suppose Lor’s son really didn’t know how to process his emotional state and didn’t reach out to his mother. Just suppose. How about that? Still feeling flippant? Still feeling like “one exposure wont hurt?”
I’m sorry - these phero’s are not natural. Yes, yes, the pheros we produce are, however, at the levels that we are wearing them to artificially augment our signature, they cease to be natural. I believe that “what’s natural for you is good for you” argument is utter bollocks and trite shoite anyway.
Actually, I have my doubts. I believe the idea of this is great, however, I would have chosen individuals who were more cognizant and more respectful & responsible towards the pheros, their uses, their potentiality, and the experiments. I would have chosen Veteran Users. I think this was inspired by a post of Tisha’s where she did some blind testing - great idea, but good god - Tisha is a Phero master. Not only that, she knows herself and knows those around her. Her experimenting & reports are consistently reliable and unmistakable in quality. The same cannot be said for many on the forum.
Alright, preparing for incoming - let fly.
Your assumption is faulty. I’m letting you know.
SOME wear off. SOME last a long time. SOME have dissipating self effects but lasting projecting effects. How are you going to know if you dont let it wear out all day?
SOME users report 2nd day effects.
No fcuking shit. 
just an interesting note:
my 4 yr old was NOT clinically depressed.
he was a happy 4 yr old that coincidentally started talking about wanting to die the same time a friend of mine was wearing IFM daily.
my other son wasnt bothered a bit.
when the spraying stopped, so did the behaviour.
again,coincidence?
Alright, I’m gonna take my turn at pitchin’ pennies against the curb.
We do not have anything here that is genericly harmful. Yes, there are individual negative reactions, allergic and otherwise. None of these chemicals will cause harm to the majority of people exposed to them. None of these chemicals, even at the levels we consider OD, has done measurable lasting harm to anyone who was ever exposed to them.
We daily expose the entire range of the general public to this entire library of chemicals. Everybody from 3 to 103 exposed to widely varying dosages and types of exposure, completely without their knowledge.
We all bring the full force of our ingenuity to bear on the challenge of exposing as many people as possible to the maximum possible dosage of these chemicals, the composition of which is generally unknown to us. And then we gleefully report on the results.
It’s what we do.
Lor handled this very well. Stated her position without accusation and then took the action she thought was appropriate action. I repped her immeadiately.
The rest of this is hot air over a moot point.
Well isn’t this quit the learning experience 
I think it’s great that these three girls are doing this for the sake of pheromone science!! 
As far as this whole debate goes, I’m going to have to side with Sillykitty and happykitsune on this one. I do not believe what Sillykitty did was at all wrong (this is just my opinion ). If it didn’t harm the child then I find no fault here. I think we can trust her enough to know that she wouldn’t spray anything near a child that she felt would be harmful to their health (or that she wouldn’t first try on herself 
).
I do hope that we can put this behind us and move on with this exciting project!!
Much Love,
~Tiffany~
Wow I get a kick out of that every time I read it. It’s really funny now, but it scared the bejezus out of me at the time. I believed that Lor was out to kill me and by her and Diane bringing it back up like a hammer held over my head, they might just be
I’m a bit tired and I will weigh in on this in the morning though.
OK I am going to say this before I go to bed. Disagree all you want, agree with whomever you want. That’s OK and I encourage open honest debate. Calling forum members names is not tolerable because you disagree. Please respect each other even if you do not agree with the others position.
yeah steve,
this post makes me laugh as hard as the chili-cook off email i get every year.
you know we never meant you any harm :o
my only point was that although the instant line (except IFM) seems only uplifting and positive,
stuff like “mixes” and experimones like TAF
could be a potential nightmare for children.
not because someone walked by them wearing 2 sprays of MX###,
but because someone wore 8 sprays of it, wore it in a car, or sprayed to deliberately “handle” a behaviour.
same reason i wont let my kids continue to refill their refillable pepsi at a restraunt 3 times;
a little caffeine is okay.
they dont need to be wired and have adrenals exausted
I may not have had kids but I have had several young siblings and worked at a day care, so yes I have experience.
Also remember that spraying children once is not going to hurt them. Multiples times maybe, but how many times have we heard stories of ppl using these for children? Very few.
I’m just saying, sillykitty had good results, not negative ones. There’s no reason to get upset over her report.
Did you read above? HARM is not always displayed. You don’t have kids, do you?
Utterly ridiculous - we don’t know anyone on this forum. We only have each other’s words and their reported actions to judge them by. I don’t know SK at all. I can’t make a value judgement against her as an individual. I can say however that I believe her choices and actions were “silly” - or potentially dangerous.
In another vein, I do have a problem with her testing - she sprays too much to properly ascertain phero effects over a full day. In that regard, she DOESN’T KNOW what’s really effecting her or another.
By The Way… am I the only one that is remembering that she was testing that phero cold? Unknown? And it had only been half a day? How long do we recommend someone test something before they get the hang of it on here? a full bottle? A week, a month? WHEN did that switch to “Half a day? Sure, I got that!”
AHH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…HA…hahaha…heh.
AHAHAHAHAAHHAHA! LOL LOL LOL 
No you dont, honey.
You know, some of us moms are clearly very upset over this. Apparently there is.
PLEASE, I implore you, PLEASE READ some of the stuff on the forum about kids. ASK the parents about the pheros around their kids. Did you or did you not read about Lor’s son?
Quite.
damn.
i cant thank myself.
But I can Hon. Mom Power!
if you guys don’t like what your readying then don’t post. It won’t influence in anyway to stop what were doing or make us feel bad. I know your upset that you didn’t get the chance to blind test like we are because you know too much, but that doesn’t mean you attack sillykitty. That is rude and immature. I’m having a hard time believing your even a mom. And no, no it isn’t right to belittle the way you are. Have some respect and let people report. Go bother someone else.
Seems alot has transpired since I went MIA for abit 
Unfortunately I have to sit this one out since I know jack shit about children AND putatives.
But ! I do have a new update, for whoever is still keeping along ~ I just edited my first post for easy access. It’s on page 1 !
I appreciate and understand the concern and opinions regarding my actions, and do take it as a lesson learned.
I also realize that you do not know me, and have only my words, to know me by. I am a deeply caring, honest and responsible person, who has made her share of mistakes along the way, but also has learned from those mistakes as well. I am not some totally irresponsible idiot with no brain or morals.
Perhaps my actions were inappropriate, and were unfortunately based on ignorance and assumption.
However, I did not spray it in his face. And though I did not note this in my report, the windows were wide open, and it was windy.
It is done, it is over, everyone has survived this, and many of us newer members have learned something about possible risks, and things that we all should be aware of, with pheromone usage.
Now, can we please move on and stop this arguing?