Dammit, I could sure use a beer right about now 
The upset, happykitsune, is not over Sillykitty’s report. Once the idea of spraying children with an unknown test substance was pointed out as being a bad one, she acknowledge that and stated she’d be more careful. The upset comes from your posts, because you keep stating that this is no big deal.
I’m not sure why you keep holding this view, but it is yours to hold. Very experienced, vetran users are trying to give you the wealth of their experience. You can disregard it if you like, but please do understand that the information given by these testers are not beliefs. They are based on solid experience.
Also, those of us who have responded to your remarks in strong ways are all mothers. We have all raised or are currently raising children.
I’ve also worked in daycare. I’ve taken child psychology classes. I have brothers and sisters. I’ve also been a mother for 18 years, every day, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, during which time the concern over my children’s safety and well-being has been my constant companion. And no matter how well you may like children, how many siblings you have, how many days you’ve spent baby-sitting, nothing, and I do mean absolutely nothing ever comes before the safety and well being of your own child. And until you experience that you can’t even imagine how attitudes like yours, attitudes that take a child’s well-being and safety so for granted trigger a mother’s protective instinct out into the open.
As a mother, I certainly agree that your attitudes seem naive at best, and ruthless and heartless at the worst. But I also know that you don’t have children, and can’t know how a mother would readily sacrifice her own life than risk harm to her child; or how that feeling extends to other children who seem to be potentially put in harms way. We all know this was a simple mistake on Sillykitty’s part, because she didn’t have enough information or experience yet with Putatives to know they can cause bad reactions. But she is a mother and when it was pointed out, she acknowledged her mistake. I’m certain she won’t be randomly spraying around children again.
Diane
After reading and re-reading everyones post and then trying to objectively consider how everyones perspective applied, considering the inherent nature of our testing process;
This has become a whole lot of hot air over a moot point.
Please read and re-read this post and try to objectively consider how this perspective applies, considering the inherent nature of our testing process.
Thank you, O
Okay, I’m getting off this boat, and unsubscribing.
Diane
EDITED by myself to remove most vulgarities.
OK DAMN IT!!! kill this thread Steve or Tisha. If I could I could I would do it myself but I can’t, and I’m so pissed off right now that I can barely see straight!
This is bullshit, and for the members craving attention and lashing out as you are, I can only say this: Several of you said you were unsubscribing and you were out, so what are you still doing here?
The shit that started this whole pissing match was an innocent action on the part of somebody who already observed a positive reaction from a child, and who she was only hoping to cheer up again, and yet you want to chew her up and spit her out for trying to be a do gooder.
If you want drama go somewhere else!!!
This may not be my thread, but damn it the girls are trying to do something worthwhile, and if you have a problem with it, then get out!!!
I’ll never understand why some people have to twist and distort things to try to make others look bad, I guess its just be because they have such low self-esteem that they feel the need to drag everybody else down to their level.
And, anybody wants to neg me for standing up for the girls and what they’re doing here. then have at it, but at least have the balls to say who you are! And no, I will not stoop to retailaiting.
Those of you that are slinging shit around at Sillykitty either owe her an apology, or need to just go away, because you’re certainly not being at all constructive at this point.
No, don’t kill it..then all our efforts and lessons learned will all have been for naught!!
Everybody just get some rest, tomorrow is another day
And even more hot air is blown over a moot point.
OoohYahhhhh!
Agreed!
But supposedly this was resolved in PM’s 10 pages ago, yet a couple people just can’t seem to let go and feel the need to put others down.
I will defend someone I believe in till the end and at all costs, if that’s wrong then I guess I’m living a couple of centuries to late.
Mark calm down please. There is no reason to close the thread because you agree or disagree with someones opinion. If people want to unsubscribe they have that option. There are over a couple thousand people in this forum 2 people unsubscribing is not going to make or break it.
My opinion on the matter after using mones for almost 9 years is no I would not spray them on a child. I would not spray putatives on a adult unless they had a good understanding of mones and what they do in general. Consumer products I may spray on my bosses chair but I would never spray those on a child either.
Not because they are harmful but because they simply dont understand enough to make a choice.
Dont feel bad sillykitty, we all made mistakes in the beginning and we learned from them. You didnt harm the child.
I will weigh in more when I get home from work on this.
Now please resume testing 
Tisha
Thanks Tisha. Though, I did not spray them on anyone, just a half spray in the air, but even that I should not have done, even though I felt comfortable (yes I know, after only half a day) that it would not harm him
Anyway, tomorrow is another day…good night for now
Yes Mark, we are a little temporally dislocated, but there is something about this time that requires all hands on deck. As usual, we answered the call. Wouldn’t want to miss out on the action now, would you?
I have recently found myself becoming a little too civilized, a little too much of a nice guy. More than once recently, this has made me slow to come to the defense of those in rightous need. May have been true again this time.
But once the fray has been joined, I have found deflection to be much more effective than confrontation. Defuse rather than defeat. Create a nice soft place and make them go into it by direction and misdirection. Put them inside a marshmallow and let them fight their way out.
Acknowledge the point, there are individual negative effects. (Acknowledge the validity of the opposition, and they are left with no alternative but to happily agree with the first point) then cover that point with a much larger overarching idea (generally accepted idea, too big to be definitively disproven)
Now IF they can be drawn into really read and rationally consider these ideas, they are soon left with no way out.
Second paragraph, without knowledge (unavoidable agreement) is the small point under the overarching idea that we do everybody (unavoidable agreement that negates their position without direct opposition)
Now they are inside the marshmallow and we close it behind them a statement about our dedication to our wild ass methodology (unavoidable agreement)
They tricky part is getting the subjects to start reading and then to calmly consider the propositions. That is why you will often see me open with a light happy line. To get people who might otherwise skim to stop and read. Then through the body of the piece don’t confront their ideas. Preferably don’t do more than acknowledge the validity of their ideas. If that cannot be done in (logical) safety, then show them respect as a person.
Three paragraphs with unavoidable agreements closes down page after page of circular logic, one off generalizations, and scare tactics. Looking at it now, it could have been even stronger by reminding them they all participate in even the wildest parts of this process. That is an unspoken part of the agreement right now.
The flaw in this plan is my own personality. I am too willing to tolerate what I know is wrong, and far too slow to speak truth in defense of those who deserve it.
Yahtahey.
Hey guys, look at me I am SHOUTING ON THE INTERNET!
I hope you guys all will stop and look at me cause I am SHOUTING ON THE INTERNET!
We can bring about world peace by SHOUTING ON THE INTERNET!
LET’S ALL START SHOUTING ON THE INTERNET!
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I don’t know what all you said, but we are done here. It’s time to move on and start acting like adults. SillyKitty has apologized and she said she has learned from her mistakes. I’ll say it again, please no attacking.
on a happier note I tested out the last bottle. Will be posting up reports soon.
**Bottle #4 Day 1
Product name,scent and strength**
Bottle #4, unknown scent, 50 mcg/spray
Application dosage and locations
1 spray to the neck and added to my wrists as well. 50 looked like it’d be pretty strong so I only added one spray to prevent headaches and neg effects.
Enviroment tested in.
TG apt (I actually ended up kinda combining 7 and 4 like Mark suggested…only not really…erm, I’ll explain later)
Self effects.
Felt very loving and wanted to rub TG’s back and be sweet with him. Not really cuddly, since we had to get work done, but I felt like giving him attention and touching him lovingly. Felt kinda calm
Effects to others
TG wrapped his arm around my waist as soon as I sat by him. He was also a lot more gentle then he usually is. I think if I had used one more spray I could have gotten more results, but who knows.
Duration of effects.
10:30 pm - 1:00 pm
Effects from mixing with other products.
none
Range
1 ft
Time exposure.
3 mins
Note: TG was very stressed out and feeling really down about himself. I’ve previously told him about the blind bottles (but didn’t say they what was inside, what do I know I’m just blind testing them 
) I offered him a spray, though he is against any kind of enhancers, including tylenol/advil, but he agreed to 1 spray. I kept asking him how his mood was, but he wasn’t really able to gage anything until about 5 minutes later. He said he felt better, and throughout the time I was there I watched his mood get increasingly better. He was smiling now and things were funny to him again. He’d laugh much easier and was in just a generally good mood. It was so interesting seeing the effects from that perspective. But, like my report indicated, the effects were short lived and after about 30 mins he returned to being upset about his assignments and classes and he got really tired, which if I remember correctly, I also got very drowsy as well. It may or may not have been from the pheromones. I mean, it was very late both times and we had had long days. But anywho, that was my supposed combo of 7 and 4
**Bottle #4 ****Day 2
**Product name,scent and strength
Bottle #4, smells like baby wipes, 50 mcg
Application dosage and locations
2 (neck, hair) +1 wrists
Enviroment tested in.
Around town
Self effects.
Felt fairly confident and a happy loving feeling came over me. Then there was also a kind of anxious feeling. Still, I wanted to be loving and I was getting all excited at every dog I saw, which normally doesn’t happen with me.
Effects to others
I hugged TG at one point and he grabbed my arm and rubbed it. Later I snuggled into him and he was sweet about letting me sit there with him.
Duration of effects.
1:15pm - 4:00pm
Effects from mixing with other products.
IS/a 2 (hair, chest)
TUTH dabbed under nose
Made for a little aggressiveness, but in a good way and still loving as well. I wonder if I hadn’t of put on TUTH if he would have just been loving.
Range
1-3 ft
Time exposure.
10 mins
Bottle #4 Day 3
Product name,scent and strength
#4, smells like baby wipes, 50mcg
I paired this with bottle #7 and IS/b. I wasn’t sure where to put this report since it had 2 blind bottles in it, so I just put it in the #4 since that seemed to show the most effects.
Application dosage and locations
#4 1 (neck)
#7 2 (neck, hair)
IS/b 2 (chest, hair)
Enviroment tested in.
Amusement park
Self effects.
As soon as I got out of the car I saw my date (we’ll call him TM aka target man) and I said hi with a giggle. I felt cute and somewhat ditzy, but not so much that it was annoying. The whole day, until the last hour we were at the park, I wasn’t shy at all and I was very sweet and smiled. I was able to get along well with TM’s friends.
Effects to others
TM didn’t seem too affected at first, tho he did talk a lot and try to show off around me. I didn’t really notice anything till about an hour later when he grabbed my hand and kept trying to hold my hand throughout the entire time we were hanging out at this one attraction. I wasn’t really too excited about the hand holding so much as I was happy #4 was working like it had worked before. Later he kept pulling me close to him and getting really close. I later found out that he really really liked me…umm…not sure if I like him as much, but I’m willing to give him a chance and see if our friendship grows into something more. Plus I enjoy the attention >:3
Duration of effects.
12:43 pm - 5:00 pm
Effects from mixing with other products.
I noticed #4’s effects were increased to a longer amount of time where as the first time I used it I only really got effects at the beginning. Something in #7 most likely affected #4 in some way and made it more potent. IS/b really helped to make me cute where as #4 made me cuddly.
Range
3 ft
Time exposure.
10-20 mins
Bottle #4 Day 4
Product name,scent and strength
#4, smells like baby wipes, 50mcg; Doesn’t smell as strong now. Probably because I give it a good thorough shaking before I apply
I paired this with IS/b.
Application dosage and locations
#4 1 (neck)
IS/b 2 (neck, hair)
Enviroment tested in.
TG’s apt
Self effects.
Felt a little soft, but not as cute and loving/loved as I usually do when I pair IS/b and #4. I think it’s because I’ve been using IS/b a lot. It works great with everything 
Effects to others
TG and I were just hanging around his apt watching TV and surprisingly he kept pulling me to him to rest on his chest while was sat on the futon. He doesn’t like when I lay on him so when he actually pulls me to him it’s rare and a definitely sign that my mix is working. I got a few kisses and hugs, but nothing too extreme like I’ve had before. There was definite affection during the time I was there tho.
Duration of effects.
5:30 pm - 12:00 pm
Effects from mixing with other products.
none
Range
1 ft
Time exposure.
10 mins
Mark, I just finished testing the last bottle and I was wondering when you were gonna tell everyone what are in the bottles. Are you waiting for us all to finish our bottles? Or are you gonna let us know after all of us have tested all our bottles at least once?
WOW, great job here. I went to bed last night really wanting to post something (whether whose side is irrelevant), but wanted to sleep on it to dissociate myself with any emotions I might have attached to this thread. Wouldn’t you know it when I came back we have this magnificent post by OoohYahhh. Really an inspiration to what the forum stands for, what Androtics Research stands for . For your actions and words sir, I have nominated you for TOTW, like so many others, and am sending you a $100 Gift Certificate. Well deserved my friend, well deserved…
I’ll post some things to consider in just a few more gulps of my morning coffee. I was up pretty darn late last night
Ooh coffee sounds good right now 
!!
Had some last night before a study session. It was mmm mmm vanilla-y goodness
You are quite welcome, and thank you for repudiating your hyperbolic comparison of putatives to illegal drugs. After all, you are not suggesting here that we learn to respect recreational methamphetamine or learn to use crack cocaine with caution.