LOL!!..absolutely!!!
Hehe! 
Btw, I love your avatar SillyKitty xD
Nice reports so far. Hope the results shed some light on the molecules and mixes that you’re testing.
This has absolutely F*** all to do with the testing but I just had to say this;
SillyKitty…OMFG!!! That’s the best F***ing avatar I’ve ever seen… I just had my Thai curry go down the wrong pipe from pissin myself laughing
Darn it! lol
Well SillyKitty, I guess your avatar wins for being the coolest 
Ahh now that I’ve injected myself with the necessary amount of caffeine I wanted to come by and write something 
. My opinion on spraying pheromones in a child’s general direction is insignificant and will not add any value to this thread. Everyone has drawn their lines in the sand and have taken up positions. On PheromoneTalk its all about having a position and that IS OK.
The beauty of this forum, unlike so many, many others, is the free expression of ones view point regardless if its the same as mine, Jasmin, Harris, whomever. As long as we don’t resort to remedies of name calling we all stand to learn from each other. There was an earlier post that I asked the poster to change an expression, because in the “heat of the battle” it could be misconstrued as such. I didn’t take sides in my PM requesting a change of verbiage and if I thought it was a malicious attack there would have been NO PM. Again I feel as if everyone has a right to throw around their opinions.
This thread has become quite a hot-topic over who is right and who is wrong. There is so much passion and energies involved I really LOVE the point that we have so many inspiring members who come forth always, regardless of topics, and share such knowledgeable insights. I feel so lucky to be a part of that and so should you.
I can tell you this with 100% confidence that I know Androtics will absolutely never in a million, gazillion years offer anything that would ever be considered as harmful or dangerous. Anyone who feels that way should immediately call me and I will personally authorize a return for your products and close out your accounts. I do not want anyone to feel uncomfortable. Please do not take this as anything other than me wanting you to feel confident, without reserve, that Androtics Research is absolutely the real deal when it comes to caring. Our very philosophy is to make the world a better place and everyone of us loves what we do. There is no way, no how, any molecules we send to any of you would ever knowingly do you harm.
I can tell you that testing putatives is not easy when it comes to be able to sniff out what they really do. Anyone and everyone can do it though, especially on this forum. The intelligence level of the members of this forum are just off the charts. Do you know we have Nuclear Physicists, Doctors, Scientists, Corporate Officers, Financiers, Actors, Truckers, Electricians, Mid-Wives, Psychologists, Carpenters, etc? This is one of the most diverse group of members you will ever find on the web, united at the nose by a very common goal. Regardless of what you came here to achieve we are all, each and every one of us, looking to enhance our social circles. In that very aspect we are looking to brighten up the world with our smiles, knowing that each one of us is a light in someone else’s world. What an amazing group of friends we truly are.
You see that’s the absolute beauty of testing these molecules with such a diverse interesting group. Each one of us will have a completely different understanding of what they do. There are no elitist societies on PheromoneTalk! While there are some who have made it to Reporting User status, for the simple fact they report of their findings and yeah some of us are more socially aware than others, there still is no better tester than an average user of PheroTalk reporting their observations. Anyone and everyone is entitled to testing these molecules. We have members on this forum who introduce themselves to our newest members of the forum by suggesting P74 and P83. Is there something wrong with that? Personally I would hope the person would chose a product like IShine, so that they could see immediate results without tinkering to appease their curiosity, but in essence NO, there is nothing wrong with suggesting putatives or MX’s.
Many of you have gone off and bought from other companies that I will not mention. Androtics takes steps, that are just mind-boggling at the cost, to ensure that our users are getting the very best molecules, synthesized right here in America. Jasmin even went as far as a search for organic ingredients like the SD-38 (perfumers alcohol) that we use. No animals are ever harmed in making Androtics pheromones. I mean it is absolutely amazing to me how much care and effort Michael and Jasmin have put into this research for all of us. Again it goes back to the core concept of Androtics of making the world a better place.
I remember reading an interview by Sam Walton once and I was so inspired at the refreshing outlook this man had. I look at wallyworld today and my stomach turns. It’s not anything what that humble man who wanted to give back to his customers and make the world a better place envisioned. Sure he wanted deals, but at whose expense. Does the slave/forced labor in China justify that only the American consumer is happy? I hardly believe that was in his vision.
While I also realize that everyone will be effected differently by the mones Androtics sells, I also realize no one here is accusing Androtics of anything bad either. I wanted to touch on this to ensure everyone here reading that your safety is a major component in what we do. Now there will be some of you that have adverse reactions to some molecules. Not everyone will experience that same reactions, not everyone will have the same type of results. Isn’t that the fun in testing though?
Me being able to compare my P83 results of flirty, fun, overtly sexual to Diane’s anxious, angry, intense. Very different indeed, but both completely our own experiences. Pheromones are not an exacting science when it comes to all of our research here on PheromoneTalk. I like to do my research in bars, clubs, BuckyStars, supermarkets, social situations. Others like their research performed in a much more controlled way. Regardless there is no right way or wrong way to do it. When it comes to molecules that none of us know what they are, no one is a veteran or expert. After all they are unknowns, how could you be an expert?
If ever you have an adverse reaction your only recourse is to immediately stop using them and call for a return. It really IS simple . Some of our new members might come along and read these posts and might shake with fear at the concept of trying putatives and that is not the objective. My new members should be aware that this post does not reflect that and is implied explicitly to a certain set of beliefs. Whether I agree or disagree is not my point.
The mones Androtics sells are not harmful, but as with anything they should be used with care. You should use the same care as using colognes, after shaves, lotions and what not in your household. In 99.999% of every household common used goods and even more common in our daily lives outside of our homes are completely safe to everyone. We are being exposed, whether you care to believe it or not, daily to many harmful chemicals. How many people walk around with highly-toxic chemicals on their body that we don’t know about? Heck there was a meth lab around the block from my house, right across the street from the police station. Not the brightest group there!
The point is that we are all exposed in some ways to bad things and we all need to be vigilant in our “bettering the world.” I know several users who have not headed Jasmin’s pleas to be very careful of what you put on yourself. Some will go to any measure to buy anything pheromone wise as long as its cheap. Cheap means cheap and you certainly get what you pay for, but keep in mind that cheap can come with severe consequences. My point is be considerate of others regardless their position.
Some live in a world full of many dangers and hazards and death around the corner and financial ruin and bankruptcy and corruption. I choose to live in a world of abundance, love, respect, care, light, wisdom, skill… To me it is just about looking at the world with rose colored glasses and yet knowing also that every once in a while I need to check the glasses to ensure the lens are not cracked too.
We all have different methods of testing and some of us will not appreciate how others go about testing. Its OK to voice your opinions, its OK to disagree, its OK to have passion. Just remember to read each post with a smile. No name calling, no wishing ill, no bad Karma and closing threads because we are in disagreement. Try and work it out and if all else fails and it really makes you angry: Take a moment to be grateful for the things you have in life, smile, eat a piece of the delectable chocolate Amy, Jacob and Josh ensure goes out with every mone order. Sit back and give thanks that at least you have some chocolate.
, mmmm chocolate…
My favorite way to reflect on all the blessings in my life: GratitudeLog - The Happiest Place on the Internet
Great reporting, Happykitsune!!
I think, if we have enough in the bottles, that we should try to do at least two tests/reports of each, to ensure reproducability/repeatability of our results/effects.
Then, maybe some of our more experienced people could maybe guess what they are, from our reports, before Mark says what they are.
What does everyone think?
I think thats a great idea. I just need to do a 2nd report on 3 of the bottles and then I’ll be done. I’ll report on my second experience with #7 later.
But I was thinking, how about we let everyone guess so its fair. Not like we can really monitor who says what here haha
Also, if there was a way to round up all our reports later, and put them in one place, so that people wouldn’t have to wade through pages and pages…
That’s a pretty good idea too.
I find that it takes far more than a single day or two of testing to properly nail effects of a mix or molecule.
Sometimes people just act weird - the thrill of testing a new molecule is VERY EASY to construe as a “self-effect”
This is true. How about this. We test each twice, everyone guesses and then mark reveals what they are. Then we can continue to test and report on these bottles afterward and see if there are any changes due to furthering our knowledge of what we are using
Yes, but because our Blind Bottles are To-Go bottles, we just have to do the best we can, with what we’ve got.
Besides, doesn’t Androtics sell things in To-Go bottles so that people can “test” things to see if and how they like them, before they go and buy a big bottle? The 40 sprays is supposed to be enough to gauge effects and find out about the product.
And, the thrill of testing a “new molecule” is not THAT thrilling, most people (that I know anyway) would not invent or create self-effects just to say that something works (or doesn’t work)
Now your just torturing me. I need to go make me a big cup of Gloria Jeans Hazlenut coffee… with a pinch of sugar (more like a BIG spoon of sugar and some cream of course! I like my coffee sweet ).
Wow, a whole lot of testing and drama here.
This looks like a lot of fun, it reminds me of how much testing I’ve been slacking on. It’s inspired me to get back to it.
Risk is inherently an aspect of testing any unknown. We should keep in perspective that all of us are exposing people to ‘unknown’ molecules every time we test, and that as shown by anecdotal evidence, even adults can have adverse reactions to pheromones we know more about. I understand the perspectives of the parents, and concede that even though I logically understand their perspective, cannot relate emotionally. Just realize that we are all exposing others to pheromones, as long as our intentions are pure and no lasting harm is done, I think it’s safe to say we’ve dodged a bullet. No sense in creating more pain just to try and save others from potential pain.
I get the feeling that this issue is more or less done with, so let’s get on with the testing!
Erm… perhaps I misunderstood, or was misunderstood.
When I read over the reports (admittedly I mostly scanned them) they seemed to generally cover a single day… maybe two. I would hope that your TOGO would last long enough for at least a week of testing.
I’m not saying “invent” self-effects… but I certainly know that I get a little bit of a rush when I first test something… sometimes I notice that the rush stays consistent after the 5th or 6th day… sometimes the rush goes away.
However I will agree that a TOGO is generally sufficient to get enough of a grasp of a mix/molecule to make some conclusions on what effects it might have.
For putatives however I would argue that sometimes a TOGO is only really sufficient to determine whether the molecule seems interesting enough to look further - Not really enough to develop mixes for yourself that feature the molecule.
Part of what is so exciting about this for you guys is that you get to test these mixes with no presuppositions of what they do. You even get to do it without the temptation of checking out the forum. Revel in it! Believe me when I say it is EXTREMELY gratifying when you test something, develop a conclusion, and find that evidence supports your conclusion.
EXACTLY!!! You have hit the nail right on the head!!
:::big hug:::
Hello everyone !
I posted another update as promised. Its on page 1 ~ ! I organized it alittle and made it somewhat more visual/colorful because I’m a brooding artist
LOL, wonderful report, CookieGirl!!
Can anybody tell what either of them is actually saying?
Joined at the nose, LOL - yah, that’s us, joined at the nose!
I really appreciate your link to http://www.gratitudelog.com/ It looks like it can make a real difference in my life and the world. I have done business with company that sponsors it, Mind Valley. I feel safe saying that they are one of the most innovative and vibrantly creative companies in the world today. This looks like it’s gonna be good.
In the entire dicussion, this is the statement that had strongest personal effect on me since it is that courage, that intolerance of wrongs, that willingness to stand in defense, that I have recently found lacking in myself. I appreciate you all giving me the opportunity practice rebuilding that character in myself. More importantly, to have that opportunity in a place that I consider home, among people I trust as friends.
I don’t think we give credit to the idea that this is a safe place, a place where we can afford to practice, a place where we can afford to take risks. Because we are safe in believeing that no matter what our wrongs, or mistakes, or accidents, we will be forgiven and accepted. Forgiven and accepted because we are surrounded by people who are also out here with us on the edge of science. Out here with us in a place where very few have ever been. Out here with us where almost everything is variable and unknown. Surrounded by friends who risk the same kind of mistakes and accidents and wrongs every day, we can expect to be forgiven and expect that others will need our forgiveness.
On a little lighter note, I have been honored by nomination for Topic Of The Week. Twice! How cool is that? Except for one little detail. In the choice of the final Topic Of The Week, regardless of the outcome, I am now guaranteed to lose! If I could be so immodest as to choose between my honors, I would prefer to be recognized for my post on page 11 discussing the inherent nature of our testing and that every one of us participates in createing maximum exposure of this entire range of chemicals to the entire human population of the planet. That would be my preference rather than the nominated post on page 13, which was a tactical discussion with Mark. As entertaining as it might be, it did not apply directly to this thread and probably should have been on a backchannel.
In any event, I honestly appreciate your appreciation of my appreciating your appreciation. Thank you.
As is my custom, I defer to the Goddess for the final word.