As usual your perspectives are clear and deliberate. I was thinking something along those lines but in SteveO thoughts it was more like:
<SteveO thought>MMMM, I wonder what’s for super. I guess I can call over Coty to cook. Oh a new post by tacitus! I like tacitus he’s smart. Hmmm hmmm hmmm, dow dee duh, I think tacitus wants a piece of ass just for fun. Yeah I’m gonna call Coty over.</SteveO thought>
Flip you must be kidding me. You look like a cross between Prince William and the De Boer twins. 
ie. smoking hot!
If that’s you in your pic I mean!
Matt
Shore nuff… butcha know… there’s stupid shallow and there’s deep shallow… I’ve had plenty of dumber’n’shit sex… the kind where you feel like you’ve eaten a coupla cans of cheapo dog food… and I’ve had some sexo muy adelante that touched me to the core of my being, like this porn star chick, well, she ain’t no chick no more, damn near middle aged gal who’s so hot she still gets work and sells product 'cause she’s so INTO IT!.. wooooo yow ! Philthy Philthy Philthy… snaggle toothed, fake hair,the whole shooting match… but that woman can CONNECT with you body and soul and she’s got a lot of both, nice big ass too, happy round thing… and them I’m hanging with some devout religious nympho who dreams of banging The Supreme Being and she’s all overspecific about the sanctity of her flaps or whatever and comparing her to a left wing radical nutjob from last night who dreams of being black and overthrowing the ruling class and returning to the glory days of the Black Panthers, ok, that was last night’s adventure in existential warpage… I really could use my porn star back unfortunately shes, um, tied up at the moment on an “art” project… women, I swear, they talk such a damn pure game and they probably fantasize about doing it with lions or elephants…
GIRLS, funny creatures
Now I will make many generalizations but there are always women who do not fit into the categories I will talk about, so don’t think of what I write, anywhere, as something that applies to all women.
I’m not single, so I’m not the majority ? I have many women in my life, different ages and all their friends to learn from.
What I meant by looks, job and material possessions is that it matters. You women on here are a minority, trust me. I will state again that a woman does not really 100 % know what she wants. When I ask a woman what she wants in a man she uses her logical brain (the one that can never be persuaded to be attracted to someone, ever. That is why when men talk about their jobs and money the woman will frown because their trying to logically spark attraction.). She says things like “he has to be nice and treat me right”, yet countless amounts of times has she avoided the guys who live up to her beliefs of what SHE wants.
Cool line because it’s true. My “agenda” is having fun and bringing value into a relationship, either if it’s a potential romantic one or just plain friendship.
Being genuine is sooo important. If you display genuine interest in a girl chances are you don’t need anything else. There is an exception, that’s when a guy has so low self-esteem and understanding of women that by being genuine or “being himself” will only bring neediness and clinginess on to the woman; not attractive.
But I want to touch on what you said about guys not knowing about women. This has been so discussed it’s not even funny. Face it gals, if you knew how to be good with your sex (i.e. women) there would only be women teaching this stuff.
Sorry to tell you girls, but no one understands what women want better than a man with extraordinary skills to attract them and form a deep connection. You probably won’t chose to believe this simply because it challenges your reality (one that you on here have been tens of years developing), and it’s pretty much against what the media tells the public what is and what’s not.
Looks do matter, but not nearly as much as your personality. They will get you places but no further.
Look girls, I love trying to explain this for you guys but you will never change your mind and you’ll probably curse my ass out for telling you the truth, a truth that goes against your strongest of beliefs.
If I were wrong, everybody out there would not do as I do to get women, simple. So why aren’t there methods out there teaching you how to be nice with women and how to align with their logical wants and perceptions of how a man should be ?
This is what works.
I will tell a girl something like “hey, lets get back to my place, I have some cool pictures to show you”, and she’ll say “nooo…” and then after a few minutes of conversation meant to arouse her and to change her EMOTIONS I will ask again, she’ll maybe say no. What I do then is again, trying to change her emotions so that they will override, causing her logical brain to lose control and thus lead to her accepting my offer.
Haven’t you girls gone out one night and then ended up doing something so stupid that your logical thinking the next day went “what was I thinking!?”. Well, that was your emotions overtaking your logic… scary huh ?
I’ve seen guys approach the most devoted of women to their husbands and play so well with her emotions that she’ll actually cheat on her husband, terrible thing. This happens countless times, I know you guys have heard of it many times yourself.
This is why your understanding of what attracts you is distorted.
I love women psychology adn I’m just sharing wisdom here so keep the hatin’ to yourselves, aight ?
Dude, chill.
For real, stop posting posts like you care, this is the internet man. Nothing’s supposed to upset anyone. If you’ve got a strong sense of self you don’t care what people write, you’re posts should be articulate and well written. It shows you have control over your emotions and that you do not care what people write because that’s their reality of life and you’ve got yours.
If you respond emotionally to something, that something is perceived as being higher value in your reality. Meaning: If you post anything that shows you care what the other person said or was implying you’re showing weakness because it indicates that the person has higher value than you; in your reality.
If a person says X to you to get an emotional response from you, you look them in the eyes and deliver your response; without emotions, showing you will NOT enter their reality and take a role that that person was trying to set for you.
Read this advice until you get it and send me a PM if you’ve got any questions. This is the most important thing you’ll ever need in social interactions, so get it down !
Laters dude 
Very wize. You should avoid it at first.
But ask yourself this: Are your meaningless pursuits of sex really not just attemps to revalidation after an ego-busting marriage and/or divorse ?
I’ve never done ANYTHING in terms of sex I regret. I have never had a one-night-stand in my life.
In fact, cards on the table here..
I will be 40 in less than a month, and can here and now hand on heart say, I have slept with two men - ever, and one of those used to beat me up daily for just under 8 years, rape me, torture me to levels you could not even BEGIN to contemplate, and made me terrified to open my eyes every morning.
Scary, huh?
So no..we don’t ALL do things after one night out clubbing that we regret, and while many of you may think I’m an oddity, I prefer to think of myself as having been extremely unlucky, surviving ONLY because of the man who is NOW my SO -who is the salt of the earth, never tries to play mindgames or convince me something is anything it is not, and simply is the best thing that has ever happened in my whole life.
So..take from that what you will. I have been a clubber since my late teens, and still am twice a week, and never have any urges to go with anyone else.
I am possibly one of the most WYSIWYG women you are ever likely to encounter, and I am NOT impressed by any PUA moves.
Read the numerous threads on this. I lost 56 rep points over three days for speaking up on behalf of many of the women here about this fact, but I didn’t care then, and I do not now either.
START reading what the WOMEN here say they do and don’t appreciate in a man, STOP thinking with your dicks, and REALISE you should become grounded.
THAT, is how you will succeed with women.
Ail )O(
I mostly agree with what you’re saying here CuriousPUA.
I will say this though; the problems occur when men or women try to fit the other into categories. It has never worked and never will. That’s what makes us unique and individualized in our approaches to life.
I know that there are women on here who loathe me for me being what I am, and I’m OK with that. It’s the genuine that makes me who I am.
As an individual I sometimes boast about my success with women as if they were a trophy. This is a fault that I recognize within myself and strive not to do it. That is why I stopped my results post after I realized I was doing it again. I live a lifestyle I choose freely to live, but this does not give me carte-blanche to force it on others.
A little bit of background is needed to understand why I choose this lifestyle. When I was a boy growing up, I was very popular, into sports, had brothers who were very popular and that got me some interesting moments with girls, but by no means did it get me where I needed to be as a man. Unfortunately I was a great guy always doing nice things and soon I learned that this course of action caused me great discomfort in my life.
Sure everybody loved SteveO, but every one of my relationships with girls withered and failed until soon we always became just friends. This added little credibility to myself as a person. People talk to people and soon I was the nice guy all the girls could trust and talk to as a friend.
At 17 years old I was the most popular lonely guy on the planet. It’s profound to look back now and realized what impact that had on my life. I joined the US Army. I did everything tough; Ranger school, Demolitions, Air Assault, Tact Currier (if you know what the last one is then you have an idea what I was into, but you know I also cannot elaborate).
Did this make me tough? Well in some aspects it taught me discipline and determination and heck I could spend a night drinking a bottle of Tequila and still make the 5K run in the early morning, but all-in-all I was still lonely.
After I got out I was one tough bastard with a rather hardened view of the world, but believe it or not my solace was to be nice to women. Somehow it was ingrained in my chivalrous upbringing that a woman was to be treated as a princess. What I failed to realize was this did not mean let them walk all over you as a man.
Many, many heartbreaks later and severe bouts of depression I transformed my desire to be loved by women into a love for food. It was a long psychological spiral to wards oblivion that finally got me to where I am today. One day I said that’s it and changed my life.
I believe, IMHO, that many guys experience some type of social letdown with women. They come to validate their lack of experiences with over eating and destructive behavior. There was a time I called women foul names and hated all of them but still desired them as a warm body, but only physically. My mental anguish caused great suffering and yet from my dawn a new day had arisen.
It took me a very long time of self understanding through diet, exercise and most importantly meditation to come to understand that my life has a direct impact on all of society. For the first time I realized that it wasn’t, nor it couldn’t be society having an impact on me, but it was my reality and I was making it what it was.
I changed my outlook and read everything I could. I downloaded 10 gigs of ebooks and sorts off the net and read everything. I made myself understand that I could not be affected by anyones thoughts of me. I am me and I am happy with me. Affirmations are predominately the single most important step you can take to change yourself. The first step must be to recognize what you are and set your path.
I realize how there are men who feel jaded in the game of life and love. I realize there are women who feel mistreated in life and love. It is and always shall be. What I try to understand is the pain and hurt I felt when I was confused and acted out in regressive behaviors to belittle others (women). It was an angry time in my life and I tried to hold it in until it boiled over and affected those around me.
Now I have come to an understanding that certain things must be done to garner attraction from women. Regardless of those who stand by and judge me without ever first even knowing me, I am very much a kind and loving man toward women. I have learned from the MM and DYD that attraction is not a choice and in order to survive in the game you need to trigger attraction. Does this mean that I am a mean and nasty womanizer, who wants nothing more than to demean women (fuck em and leave em)? No, this means with my skills I am able to capture that initial spark of attraction and utilize it to build a great relationship.
Coupled with PUA material and my personality, the man that I am, I am able to build and keep meaningful relationships. You may call it what you like, you may call me what you like.
Yes there are strong women and men on this forum, but please let us understand the difference between strong and hateful. A person, regardless of gender, who is strong is brilliant in my reality. One who is able to observe and even though disagrees with someone or something is strong enough to do so without attempting to belittle those. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, yet this does not give anyone a right to call someone names or say they know that persons life.
Keep it in check here folks, the Internet is a place where many, if not all, like to boast. It allows the opportunity to anonymously say what you otherwise would bite your tongue about. Some members would not bite their tongues, but would rather unleash a tirade about how what differs from them is horrible and wrong. In doing this they have failed to understand the beauty of differing perspectives.
Please keep an open mind to everybody’s opinion regardless of how wrong you believe it to be.
PS. Leaving an unsigned negative rep is childish. If you got something to say please post your view. With understanding and open minds will be the only way our differences are settled, or at least come to medium that yes as unique individuals we all shall have differences.
Sorry about the rant.
so that pic in the avatar isn’t you? i’m not gay or nothing but you look good for a guy. i’m surprised anyone gave you less than a 4.
i have to comment on this,smooth.
guys often keep opinions that are just opinions to themselves out of fear someone will take it the wrong way.
hey,girls sometimes do,too.
kudos,brother.
Ah yes, another graduate of Psychology 201. Perhaps meaningless to you. And perhaps meaningless to me at certain stages of my life. Nevertheless, there is a time to make house and a time to scatter seed. Right now I’m “blowing in the wind.” The goal of my life is not to have a lasting and deeply fulfilling relationship, although it would be nice again at some point. But then if I only wanted to get my rocks off I could simply take matters in hand. I actually like people and greatly enjoy the company of my female friends even when sex is the primary attraction. I have other fish to fry and don’t want to get tied down.
As for “ego-busting marriage and/or divorse [sic],” I’m still close friends with my ex-wife. We’re both professional musicians, share common businesses but merely grew apart as husband and wife. Heck, we still travel together and hang once in a while. We’ve both happier with less of one another and, I must say, my ego is more bloated than ever!
right… sort of like one person defining what is real for another person. IMHO we carry a load of paradigms around in our heads of “how it should be” and as often as not we find ourselves trapped in mental prisons not of our own making… a generation ago many a gay man chose to live undercover because that was the only way he could rise in certain more or less conservative circumstances, where he wouldn’t have had a chance if he were openly gay… and today in may parts of the USA you will be judged swiftly, harshly, and irrevocably for having a non-standard lifestyle, even if you are the most considerate, honest person in town, sometimes the consensus will prefer a scoundrel who fits in to a non-conformist with integrity… and, boy have I seen a fat number of empty marriages held together by money and social judgement, then the good folk are shocked ! , horrified ! to hear about some juicy tidbit… omigod mister jones was spotted with a floozie what is the world coming to ? Probably that floozie is saving jonses sanity, at least he feels something for once in his life.
living lives of quiet desperation…
anyways - i don’t know how i missed this thread…but all i have to say is that i dig looks in a guy. They will always hook me. But a vibe between us is what will keep me intrigued. That doesn’t mean they have to have the right job or the right car or take me out to the latest fresh new spot or whatever.
I just need someone who digs where i’m coming from. sympatico and all that.
also i think it’s sort of flawed to presume that women don’t know what they want. We know what we want. we may tell you on thing and do another, but that’s jsut how that goes. And it’s all subjective.
Jackass on you might be a total turnoff - but jackass on soembody else can be the hottest thing ever.
Nice on you might be totally attractive - but nice on that jackass over there - well he’s jsut a jackass.
It’s not that we don’t know what we want - we just know it when we see it.
and one other thing…and this is just my personal experience - the truly incredibly good-looking men i’ve known - the one’s that typically wind up be presumed to be way out of people’s leagues? they’ve turned out to be soem of the nicest, smartest, and most romantic men i’ve ever known.
and these are men that walk thru life peeling women AND men off of them all day long.
The true 10s.
It’s usually the 7s 8s and 9s that are assholes. Not the 10s. And then 10s tend to value a woman’s strength and personality more than those 7s ,8s and 9s do.
curious thing, that.
that sounded like inspired thought.
I know what you mean. I know this girl, a certain 10. And as long as a guy isn’t out-of-the-ordinary ugly she takes you for who you are; like totally. Obviously she’s dated a range of guys. But I think she’s just so ok with herself that there’s maybe less need for reflection and reflected re-enforcement.
I think being ok with your looks - whatever they may be - is more important than what they are. i.e. a supermodel can be more insecure and hindered by their looks than a below-average person who is just cool with it and focuses on other things. I’m starting to sound like Anthony Robbins, focus and asking yourself the right questions! Whatever happened to Tony Robbins?
Matt
Pretty interesting thought you got going there Nunya.
I’m going to add my Eleven dollars and fifty-six scents though.
I don’t consider myself to be attractive and by my picture, I’m sure most would attest this to be true. This can’t mean though that I’m an asshole because of my looks. You might have experienced people that are assholes that looked a certain way but that’s what I’m saying is wrong. When we categorize an entire group of people who look a certain way we alienate ourselves from the truth thus putting a pre-conceived notion of what will transpire.
I have met many pretty women (true 10’s) that have acted like childish idiots, but if I let that interfere in my interactions than I would have missed out on one of my girlfriends whose damn fine.
I also believe men who are true 10’s are also sought after therefore can afford to be romantic and nice and bend over hand and foot for a lady. Their looks alone will carry them. I look at it this way. If I was dating a girl who I did everything for and then the super 10 dude came along I would be out. After all I’m ugly doing the same things as the guy whose fine. I believe it’s called the Halo effect.
I understand what you’re saying but I know if I did everything that one of these good looking guys did, like romance, being super nice, than I would not be chosen because of my looks. It didn’t happen before and you just summed it up as to why.
that’s pretty much it steveo- 10s can afford to be awesome people, because a. people are pre-disposed to like them, and b. i think people also underestimate them.
i just finished watching the latest episode of dirt - this retired pornstar said soemthing to this effect “if you want nothing, you fear nothing and you need nothing”
i think if more people were less tied to outcome in general, they would be better people, you know what I mean? then your frustrations and need to manipulate kind of become moot. which i think echoes both what steveo and matthew are saying re: being happy with one’s self.
and lor - heh yeah - i’m feeling inspired lately. 
There’s no such thing as a true 10. The hottest woman in the world is but a 9.99999999968.
The hottest woman in the United Kingdom but a 9.9999996603.
The hottest woman in Australia but a 9.9999989578.
And that’s on based on the potential good looks of all girls; ie. inclusive of girls below say age 16!
But you are welcome to round up!
Matt
do you have documentation to back this up Matthew?
data please.