I have recently tried TUTH (only) and PI (only) with my girlfried.
Both of them work. She likes the “male” scent of TUTH (while we both can’t smell the unscented PI). But PI turns her on in a more raw, sexual way.
Has anybody else made this comparison? What’s your experience?
Sunny
My observations are mostly similar to yours.
TUTH has many modifiers, which helps attract attention from a longer distance, and with much mixed interest, to talk, be close, and flirt a bit.
PI is a close-range product, works close to home, ie less sillage .. It attracts strong attention and in a body-language way.
I’ve posted for each product a few times, so have a look.
I can guess what your next experiment would be … wearing both together.
That may work and be interesting if you halve the dose of each, and don’t forget your helmet.
He he… thanks for the advice!
I have already done that: TUTH around the neck and PI under armpits, works VERY well and drags her right from the sofa to the bedroom 
I have to start doing some more androstenone-heavy experiments on my distractant…
Yes, Mr. Lord, try it!
I have quite a number of years experience with it (from pre-Androtics times). Once I am in a stable sexual relationship, I can’t recall that androstenone has ever caused problems (when used only inside the relationship one on one). Much more the opposite! -> Pleasure 
In one relationship, my girl would go sexually MAD (in a good sense) when I was using any TE or NPA. It was almost like remote controlling her, each and every time. But that was only with her. Others did not react that much or not at all. For some, PI is better. I don’t use TE/NPA much any more because of the stink. The same is true for IFM, unfortunately.
Hi guys (smooth312 here), I was wondering when you bought TUTH, did you get the 5 mcg/spray (Experts only) or the strongest level one (7.5 mcg/spray) that’s listed for “Crazy People!” ?
I’m curious because you related it to PI, and I’m wondering how strong the TUTH would be, especially since one is a spray and the other is a dropper…
Thanks.
If we wear Primal under the armpits … u think it will still work on the other person … when u r dressed up .. like shirt and stuf …
I normally wear mones on my neck and ears …
Need to find effective places to wear em also …
wrists don 't seem that effective …
I am using then 5 mcg version. I have not tried more than 2 sprays around me neck when going out. I have had my share of -none OD and can to without it. With my girl I have used up to 5 sprays around my upper body with good success.
The is something known as the “armpit trick” which uses conversion effects from the bacteria there. That’s not what I am after (but keep in mind that it can happen).
If you apply pheromones there, they won’t spread much if:
So, you can apply a lot without too much effect. Now when you start having sex, those factors all change. Her nose is close to your armpits, there is nothing inbetween, your get sweaty, you move your arms to vent your armpits… so it’s like an “automatic action activated pheromone dispenser” - you get the idea
I have the 2.5mcg … probably give the 5mcg a go next time. 2.5 works very well still anyway, but maybe try scent concentration vs phero load variations …
All for sake of science.
Well, I’ve decided I will go with the 5mcg since most who post about the 2.5mcg seem to say they use 2 sprays - so why not just use one more concentrated? I figure one spray will be easier to manage in terms of getting it all over the place, if that ever happens.
“but maybe try scent concentration vs phero load variations …”
I’m also purchasing a bunch of other products here, so for sure, I will be doing plenty of experimenting. Sunny mentioned that he has noticed some OD with TUTH, have you noticed anything with the 2.5mcg? And then again, how strong have your hits been?
Thanks.
The benefit of a lower concentration of a product, is that you can use it liberally, easier, works more effectively with more area & sillage.
The show stopper would be the scent, how strong it gets with increase of sprays .. is it acceptable, fire-engine intensity, deterrant, etc.
The word (hit) means little to me, as there is no (sudden) action that happens due to any pheromone.
Anyway, TUTH is one of the most effective products, straight magnet for women, and the 2.5 is hard to OD with, except when you go for 5 or more sprays, at this stage you will be a neroli fountain on wheels anyway.
Mak is exactly right.
It’s perhaps easier to visualize. Would you rather put on two thin coats of paint, or one thick coat? Most people who’ve painted prefer the two coats. You get better coverage and saturation that way.
“Painting yourself” with pheromone molecules is similar. The exception is that “Thinner coats” don’t “look better”, but, rather aid diffusion (the process of moving from your skin, to the air around you, and into your targets nostrils).
Sillage is a perfumer’s term for “vapor trail” – the trail of scent molecules left behind you when wearing a cologne. You’ll notice that some colognes don’t leave much of a trail at all, while some leave extreme ones. Some seem to expand to fill the room, while others leave a trail you can actually follow if you try.
In pheromoning terms, you don’t want an diffuse aura of pheromones (think the light from a bulb, lighting the whole room) as much as you literally want a something closer to a trail you can follow with your nose (a spotlight)… something to give targets subconscious clues as to whom is emitting the pheromones. This is something I’ve found to be very important, so positive reactions are attributed to you. (“It’s me! It’s me! I take the blame! I’m the one making you feel so darn good!”)
While duration of exposure matters for the full expression of effects, there are sudden reactions to high doses of certain pheromones, especially freshly applied.
I can and do get immediate reactions with when uses high doses of Alpha Androstenol or TAA based product applied “in the field”. There’s very low onset latency with pheromones like these.
With many pheromones, the changes in people’s internal states start immediately upon initial exposure, whether it’s apparent to outside observers or not. Time, of course, makes it easier for us to see signs of another’s state change as the effects deepen and become more obvious with continued exposure.
Well, in polite company, it’s much more acceptable to smell like an exotic orange from France, than it is to smell like jockstraps and tshirts out of the men’s locker room. 
We know how a good cologne, musk etc., attract women, without pheromones help.
But funnily enough, with the jockstrap & locker room pheromones, they garner the “you need a shower, but I like you lots still”.
And it is amazing to watch both the repulsion and attraction in the same breath.
I think that must be an individual thing. If ANY man came to me smelling like that, he would be directed to the bathroom, quick-smart.
I guess it’s like women who like beards and moustaches. I loathe both, and when “The Man” needs a shave, I do NOT relish the roughness of his stubble at ALL, but I have a couple of friends who are the diametric opposite.
Again, horses for courses.
Ail 
Yeah something that works well is when you shower to use a liquid soap, because bar soap tends to leave a film and that can cover things up. So when you wash your armpits, you are cleaning them, but you are not obstructing them for any fresh phero output. Then just wear a cologne so it will mix in with your “natural” scent and take away any bad odors, or even create a new interesting musky odor that smells good to girls.
No, I have not managed to OD with TUTH yet, because I am careful. My OD experiences have been with androstenone in general over the years. I just mentioned it to say that yes, you can OD and yes, it can become very unpleasant, even without a stink effect.