Using A314 & TUTH to attract my target 9 girl in Honolulu

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I honestly get jealous every time I see a kid here and compare what his life must be like growing up as opposed to what mine was like living in a concrete jungle.

I’d certainly at least consider trading my NYC quick wit and intelligence for some of HI’s sunny disposition and superb physical health. I’d certainly live longer and with less stress that’s for sure.

I’m going to be doing my usual rounds in Chinatown this Wed (all the nightclubs are free so we just club hop the whole time) and while I hate going out specifically to meet someone chances are I’ll have a number of opportunities to continue testing some combination of A314, Instant Honesty, Ammo and TUTH (that’s what I have laying around at the moment).

Any recommendations on how best to utilize that? I’ve usually been reluctant to use TUTH and I almost ALWAYS use A314 but that may be hurting me and making me less sexual in some cases. Advice?

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Hm! This is good fodder for conversation.. I would actually split this off here, and pop it into the Men’s section for a good cross examining by the XY, Phero-weairng public.

My quickie advice would be to give TUTH a good couple sprays above your usual dosage of A314, whatever that is. What is yours?

A314 should tame the TUTH a little bit, establish you as the MAN of MEN, and then the TUTH should supplement the MAN of MEN with the scented footnote, “Who is also very sexy, raw, and available right NOW, fyi”

For you, start with a dose of, say, 2 sprays (you’re sporting a 2.5 mcg/spray dosage, right?) and see how that fits you. See how it alters your presence, give it a good test run. If you have a to go of TUTH, all the better, because you can alter the intensity of the mood on the fly a little easier (than, say, toting a cobalt glass bottle in your pocket)

TUTH is a good “spice”, if you use it as a seasoning of sorts. You just “season” you A314 with a little raw sexual edge. Different situations call for different intensities.

'Cause, you know, some like it hot. :wink:

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I’m going to try exactly that this Wed. I usually use 2-3 drops of A314 and then 1-2 spays of something like instant shine or instant honesty over it on club nights. I’ll get frisky and try TUTH for once though. I actually have this wonderfully attractive girl in my sites who I know through a mutual acquaintance but simply haven’t been able to get her to bite just yet. She’s been cordial and I’ve been told there’s at least some kind of interest there but maybe TUTH is just what I need to push through that last hurdle.

I’ll let you know how Wed night goes!

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Hey, now you’re talkin!

I’d still lowball it to start out with… to get your TUTH-training wheels on. How many times do you usually see her?

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This is only my 3rd or fourth time seeing her out. It’s usually in bursts and there are usually 5 or 6 very high value males for me to leap over. It helps that she has a sister who is very fond of me (she’s married to a friend) who advocates for me every time I bump into them though. She’s very high value though and has shit tests that will make a grown man cry. I’ve been good about remaining congruent thus far but it’s pretty hard (I’m pretty crazy about her physically).

So are you thinking no more than 2 sprays or what? Keep in mind I’ll be dancing and get quite sweaty during my nights out (not sure if that dilutes it or not).

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** For all newcomers to this thread, these posts were moved from Fu Man Chu’s intro post here:

I thought this convo was way more relevant here in the Men’s forum, where we could harness the powerpanel of male phero artEEsts out there, who totally blow me away, advice-wise. :wink:

Fu, I hope you don’t mind the thread title. I wanted to make it as super relevant as possible. :smiley:

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No worries and thank you. I’m always open to hearing some advice on this matter.

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Ok, here’s my field report on tonight. Started off with 2 drops of A314 at dinner with my favorite yoga instructor and some of her friends. Dinner ended with two of them on my lap taking pictures for no reason really (I expressed zero interest in them) then about 90 minutes later I started club hopping with 2 sprays of TUTH and 2 of IH. I was a little weirded out at first because I subconsciously feel like TUTH comes on too strong but about 2 hours into the night of just being open and randomly flirting one of the hottest girls I’ve had my eyes on for the past few weeks (she looks like a friggin anime character for Christ’s sake) came up to me and after 2 or 3 seconds of being in my space just threw her arms around me (she has been VERY standoff-ish since meeting her though). I spent the next few hours dancing, flirting and having drinks bought for me with her until I saw my main target in a hallway arguing with some random guy that turned out to be her ex (she’s trouble but def worth it).

I cannot explain to you how many shit tests this girl has given me since meeting her (I get at least 3 in the first 10 minutes of seeing her each time). Sometime after her freezing me out twice, leaving me standing there twice and flirting with another guy in front of me once something finally clicked though and she was on me like white on rice. We got plans to hang out Friday (her idea not mine) at which point I’ll def be rocking the TUTH and IH combo. I’m hoping it’s a “let’s be honest about wanting to go at it” mix but so far once the girl has been close it’s become very solid. I had to shoo away 4 different very aggressive 7s just to stay in set with my target (she walked away, leaving me standing next to some tramp one time). One of my targets friends REALLY tried to make out with me towards the end of the night but again I dodged it (I sometimes wish I had lower standards, lol).

All in all I’m liking the addition of TUTH though. I’ve been using a more direct game than I have been in the past so it seems ot mesh well. If I was beign indirect and trying to be coy, I feel like TUTH would sabotage it but as is, the mix is bueno.

I’ll report back on Friday. Feeling kinda high and happy at the moment though. Wish I could become a salesmen for this stuff! You guys hiring? lol

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O_O.

Well ZOMG. That was dramatic!

Ooh. Something must have been up, because:

Instead of her usual 3 “Endurance Tests”, I counted five!

Shit tests 1&2: "Sometime after her freezing me out twice,
Shit tests 3&4: "leaving me standing there twice
Shit test 5: "and flirting with another guy in front of me once

something finally clicked though and she was on me like white on rice.

^Yeahh!
Haha… I didn’t notice before, but that’s kind of poetic. Turn this into a rap and make bajillions.

So yes, pls update us on the “lets be honest about wanting to go at it” mix when you get a chance. Thxlv!

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Honolulu girls are renown for “shit tests” and highly skilled at the game. I think those growing up in the suburbs of the second city are steeped even more deeply in said culture. I recall being astonished at the rituals and cat 'n mouse shenanigans when I first arrived.

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…sigh… currently full of fail…

Ok quick update, by some turn of events I ended up having dinner with my targets friends and family while she was at work Thurs (had nothing to do with her really, was just circumstantial). I thought I was walking into a warm, home cooked meal kinda thing but it turns out her family REALLY likes to drink and by the time she was hoem and off of work everyone but me was shit-faced something proper. I had also gotten little sleep the night before (for obvious reasons) so my head wasn’t exactly firing at full speed either, despite waving off a lot of free drinks.

That said, things were still looking up by the time she came home. Everyone was thanking me for looking after her the night before (between the ex boyfriend drama, her drinking all night and her friends being relative bitches I was something of a sanctuary for her); all seemed well. We went to a bar after dinner which is probably where I should of ejected being VERY over tired but I saw it as an opportunity to get to know my target better.

Up until now I’ve just been wearing A314 so just before going into the bar I put on 2 sprays of IO (it arrived that day, YAY!), 2 sprays of IH and 2 sprays of TUTH. In retrospect I should of stayed away from TUTH because it seemed to make her a bit nervous around me and definitely backfired by having one of her far less attractive friends get WAY, WAY too touchy feely with me without me even saying more than a sentence or two to her.

My problems at this point were only multiplying too. Everyone we were with was drinking like a fish. I had a drink in my hand out of basic courtesy but they kept trying to force these disgusting, weird mixed shots down my throat (I drink Patron or Grey Goose and that’s about it). Communication was breaking down really fast as a result though. My target, who seemed the most sober out of all of them (having only showed up late in the evening) seemed to either REALLY have her gaurd up or upon closer inspection is one of the dumbest girls I’ve talked to in a while. She couldn’t answer a very basic question about what she was passionate about and twice had to ask me the definition of very commonly used words; both very big red flags for me.

So again this was a point where I should of ejected only the rub here is that I drove everyone to the bar (they were all shitfaced so what choice did I have really?). Which means I couldn’t simply eject at this point without really screwing over some of my new friends and my target. So since I couldn’t leave my mind just kind of checked out from being over tired and uninterested.

After about 90 minutes of this the night ended on a really low point. She must of contacted one of the other guys who she has some kind of interest with because he showed up at the bar at some point and just casually hung out in the back. He’s known her longer than me and is from the same area as her so he was able to justify being her ride home (ouch). It’s safe to assume they hook up and I could choose to view that as a huge negative but for now I’m attempting to be neutral about it because really… it’s my job to win her over regardless of what obstacles are there.

So that brings us about up to date. Noone went out last night after being so smashed on Thurs. I’m meeting up with all of them for an event in about an hour before we have to go our separate ways to get ready for partying later tonight. I’m going to go in cool and casual with the following mix:

  • 2 drops A314 put on earlier in the night
  • 2 sprays of IO on the forearms just before party time
  • 2 sprays of IH on the shoulders (so they get more candid as they come in)
  • and just 1 spray of either AMMU or TUTH on my chest perhaps

I got a free IS travel size I’ll keep with me in the club just in case I feel I need a pick me up too.

…whew… gonna be hectic, wish me luck!

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Be careful, a similar combo is turning my ex into a possible ex-ex…I think

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I gotta disagree. While yes the high value ones have shit tests galore it seems less about being savvy and more of just a natural response to the overly aggressive guys most of the local boys grow up into.

The most common variety of girl here seems to be the FOB (fresh off the boat) gold digger which I avoid like the plague (there goes 85% of the female population here though). They probably seem savvy if you don’t figure out what they are up too but the thing is they aren’t necessarily genuinely sexy creatures. They simply use sex to get what they want, so it’s very common to see these skinny little 23 year olds running around with over weight, badly dressed, awkward men. We have a running joke whenever we see a such a huge disparity in value along the lines of “he must have a really big… apartment” because often times these guys are paying the rent and the women don’t work (VERY, VERY common scenario).

That said, if you have a thing for asian girls this is a great place to be (I can take them or leave them honestly). The FOBs turn me off so much it makes this place less than ideal for me but some of my friends don’t mind it and will basically use the girls basic ignorance against her (unlike me my friends don’t have many qualms about sleeping with a stupid girl under false pretenses). It’s backfired on them more than a couple of times but they also still get laid, so it’s probably a close to even trade off.

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What do you think we should cut out of this combo? Maybe only use IH or IO but not both? Or avoid the TUTH/Ammu all together maybe?

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Well from what Ive read, TuTH is said to be more for when you’re already dating. Since I’ve already been intimate with this woman I think she’s probably responding to the TuTH more than anything else, the IO is likely just making her feel more forward about it.
I haven’t gotten as blatant reactions from the other women so I think it’s just my unique situation in the case. From what I’ve read on the forums here you might want to drop the TuTH and stick with Ammo, seems like it’s more balanced and less aggressive sexually

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Update here!

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Cut out of the combo!? Maybe you should reeeeeeally consider, cutting out the girl and her family. Throw her under the friends column, and move on … too IFfy for me.

Okay! Okay! I guess it’s best to figure things out on your own.

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I admit it’s very questionable territory but I pulled a rabbit out of a hat tonight and got things going my way big time. She even admitted to putting me through the ringer because guys hit on her so much she can’t tell who’s legit and who’s not.

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Then, BRAVO ZULU to you, Signor Chu! Alcohol cuts on a light for me, and you don’t want a drinker holding your heart … UNLESS … you’re a drinker, too!

Sing it!!! “You’re a drinker! She’s a drinker! We are drinkers! He’s a stinker! … You should become a drinker, toooooooooooooo<burp!>ooooooo!”

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Well tonight I saw a completely different side of her. She had maybe one drink all night and was coherent and bright eyed for me. Very fun, fun evening.