Okay I have a question. What is truly the difference between instant openness and instant honesty? Like I want people to talk to me, but I also want them to be able to feel like they can truly confide in me. Which one should I get?
IO is mainly Alphanol, whilst IH is mainly Betanol.
IO is light, bubbly/chatty and very superficial. Great for breaking the ice with someone or for getting conversation going in difficult environments - like a club or with a very reticent person. Its main drawback is that it can unleash a torrent of drivel.
IH is close, bonding, confiding and yes, people will feel they can tell you everything. However, the drawback of IH is that it can go too-deep if you can’t keep a conversation on track and they will start pouring out all the bad stuff and offload their troubles on to you/want to involve you.
So to manage that, IME the best thing you can do is steer the IH with IS - Which helps keep the IH from going too deep and modifies to an engaging, trusting, sharing and confiding vibe that has people telling you all and feeling rather good about doing-so.
Just what I think you are looking for? 
That’s Exactly what I’m looking for, but I do have trouble with making new friends and I do want more people coming up to me even if its just to say “hey” but thank you so much and I will definitely keep that advice in mind when I’m shopping!
I got the best results with IO and IH together..about 3 of each being a good start. Each has alpha and beta nol, such that one is 70/30 and the other 30/70. You can shift where you guide the conversation dynamically. If you buy 1 of each, you should be able to use 3 sprays each IO and IH 3 times per week for one 1 month. Use it around people you want to get closer to. At the end of that month, you may find some important changes. If you can afford to use 4 sprays of IH with the IO just 2-3 times per week, at 4 sprays, it gets very interesting. These evolved from cttm2, but they aren’t the same. Also, they used to offer 4X IH. The interesting stuff starts to happen at 4 sprays, but some miss it. Try it. Once they perfected IH from alpha and beta nol and CTTM2, people started seeing some benefits in IH that none of the previous products offered. Something deeper, if you will.
Now, in this thread, you see how you can’t really duplicate either product with just alpha and beta nol. The ratios and steering are important. Sometimes, the hits don’t jump at you, but the depth comes about with time.
Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is just alpha and beta nol: how it differs from IO + IH
You can also experiment with 10 mcg P102 along with these.
Yes, IO/IH is also excellent but I do find it loses some of the connection/engagement aspects compared to IH/IS.
It can also be rather flattening to more sexual mixes in the male context, don’t know how that might translate to female mixes?
Its also a lot of nols, which can leave you feeling a little drained and frayed at the edges after a few hours. The original CTTM2 replacement calls for the 2x version of each product.
Right. Many people looked at straight up alpha and beta nol (essentially, CTTM redux). But, Tisha and others have said betanol itself is not really a crush/fallout pheromone. Good for bonding, but not a fallout mix. Now, most women don’t shoot for fallout in their combos. They usually seek bonding and stronger relationships. Semantics really. Goal’s the same. And, I agree, IH itself (better combined with other products) will do it. IH needs the third mone that CTTM didn’t have. You get some hefty beta and alpha nol with I O and I H combined, and you get a good dose of the trace steering mone. With 3 sprays IH, maybe 7.5 mcg. My studies show a strong communication synergy that alpha and beta nol never had. I also see some good data so far that P102 can sort of make you the star speaker in the room. More testing with P74, etc is needed.
Note, I never had access to the 4X I H. However it itself or combined with other items sharing a common steering pheromone (A314), IShine (?), I see the combination there. Makes some combos far better than the sum of parts. From 3 sprays ea I O, I H, I get chatty, but also spontaneous admissions. Social science shows “shared confessions” provide bonding. You have the “goods” on each other. Shared secrets. My tests this summer are aimed at the world’s best fallout, bonding combo. I’m about 75% there. All the data needed to make it is already here. I want Androtics to make it. They know how. Take all the best, reported fallout data and bottle it. In about 4 weeks or less, women see you as marriage material. It can, I think, work with Instant Sexiness and IH/P74. In fact, I. Sex., 74 and I H would be my theoretical choice for women’s fallout mix. I need more months of testing, however. And, confession, I haven’t been here since 2006, but I’ve read practically everything worth reading. The clues are there. Steve learned them. And some chemistry along the way.
Bottom line: 4-5 sprays does things that 1-2 don’t. You need about 10+ mcg of the steering pheromone. Combine several items together, you may get 10-20. 20 really hits. It’s the neurosteroid effect. This is what my tests show.
IShine: Limited results (and far more reports) suggest Shine could have bonding/fallout properties. I think one of the steering mones besides TAA contributes to kino. Spraying I S and I H combined should help. I think they share a common steering mone. I think the steerer is responsible for I S crash/headache. For this reason, I S or I H OD with alcohol is to be avoided!
Am I reading this correctly? You see Instant Sexiness (a womens mone) as a key ingredient in a Men’s fallout mix?
What are your results telling you about the other key ingredients? I’ve just begun researching this phenomenon… so this is very intriguing stuff.
I S = Instant Shine.
CTTM evolved to IO and IH.
CTTM = Not much evidence of fallout I could see.
Betanol = Not a fallout mone (reportedly). Still collecting data on this one.
IH = Is a fallout mone, when used in the right combo.
TAA = No real fallout. I’ve only used Shine, not raw TAA. TAA does not = Shine.
P74 = seems to have some fallout properties just by itself.
A314 = Numerous positive reports.
The general thinking has been that 314 uses P74 and betanol, although there is no proof of it.
It’s not simply the primary pheromone(s): androsterone (314), betanol (IH), TAA (Shine). It is that the steering makes them memorable and special, and it is additive, since none of the individual items I mentioned does it by itself. Just 314 and I H has a good amount of + reports. Very few negatives. Doesn’t seem to be a controversy. I H has three mones but reports discount beta or alpha nol for fallout…they don’t discount I H.
I don’t fancy spending the rest of the night searching for the post but yes, it has been intimated that there is a little bit of betanol in A314.
I also have a feeling that if there is P74 in A314, its a later addition, possibly from when they moved away from the original 5-molecule formula. Which might go some way to explain the softening and greater dose range of the 9-molecule formula? IIRC, fallout only really entered the vocabulary when they moved away from the old formula?
An I have used betanol effectively enough in fallout mixes, but usually with one of the following - A314, P74 or A1 alongside it. Thanks to an ill advised “discount” purchase from another seller, back in my early days with pheros, I have a rather large stockpile of the stuff and its taking me ages to get through it! :o