Well the reason we aren’t supposed to mention LP is different & that is another very long story… but the two "un-mentionable"companies aren’t the same, neither are the reasons we aren’t allowed to mention them.
If you’re very curious you can Google alpha & pheromones… then you’ll find the company that the owner set up after doing time 
Xiphoid is absolutely correct. It is a very long story as far as the compay names that can and cannot be said.
And Kitsune, yes, my account here has only been set up for a short time, but I DO know the whole story. I have a couple of very close friends, who have been my friends outside of this forum for a very long time, who were DIRECTLY involved with the situation. I never had an account here when the whole thing started. The whole story began back in 2006. LOOOOOONG before you were a member here. So, unless the people who informed YOU were here way back then, they don’t know the whole story either.
Well I feel I have to respond to this because yes the person who informed her was me and I do know the whole story and can look at it without bias and bitterness because I never took a side. This is not to say that I agree with the whole fiasco either.
On the person who informed Kitsune…
I didn’t go into detail about it but mentioned to her there were legal reasons and issue’s with the mone dealers the company was affiliated with that started the whole fiasco and that posting about them could result in banning from here. It was not a attempt to support the decisions made here but to prevent a backlash on her for her post. This was after I stepped down as moderator here so it was not within my power to help her if the post was seen other then to inform her of the rule.
Those who have been here a long time know my stance on both companies. I love them and I use them both. Each has its own unique qualities and while I never agreed with the banning of speech about them here in the first place and made that clear when you represent a company in any capacity you cant make judgements on personal feelings.
However not being able to speak about them will not now or ever influence me into not using whatever damn product I wish. 
On the whole banning of mention of them …
I do not hold a grudge against the administration here because of their decision. Its their damn forum and they run it the way they want to just as they run theirs over there the way they want. I have enough of a open mind and heart to be able to see the good in both places. I have also seen the dark side of both and choose not to “live” in that place so it doesn’t effect me other then feeling sorry for those who do “live” in those emotions.
However, The whole situation from the very beginning when the banning of mentioning them occurred is bullshit and built on petty disagreements, assumptions and lack of clear communication and this is what happens when you censor speech. People make assumptions ans become suspicious. Its effecting everyone of the clients on both sides now which is truly the unfortunate thing. People feel threatened and uncomfortable.
Its just not right and doesn’t reflect well on either company and it will ultimately come back to bite both companies in the ass if they let this god damn feud continue. The funny thing is sometimes loyalty can be more harmful to a company then good when those who are loyal act on emotion instead of logic.
My opinion is if the “higher ups” of the two companies want to mud sling fine go for it but leave your membership out of it and as mone users and members don’t let your devotion dictate your judgements. Judge each company on there product and there own merits. Come to your own conclusions not those with bitter agendas. Before panties get twisted up I personality feel there are bitter agendas on both sides so I am not in any way bad mouthing one of the other. Like I said I love and use both companies and I am very fond of some of the members who frequent both.
Happykitsune is just a innocent victim to a war she has no understanding of. She got banned not just because she made a mistake. I would never believe they would be that uncaring to new members over there, but because she made a mistake and she is a member here she was treated different. She didn’t lie to you she made a mistake I think before people bad mouth others they should no the difference. Hey we all make them, I once made a bad judgement call on one of the members over there while they were here in this forum. I rectified it and while they posted about what a “liar” I was and never mentioned I rectified it the members over there knew the truth and many contacted me supporting that. I dont hold a grudge for this person though. I had said something to hurt this persons feelings and as I said then and now I am sorry for that. My point is shit happens and its not the happening that counts but how you react to what happened
You Can Not claim to live in the truth and the light and still hold bitter grudges and be unforgiving of mistakes. If you do then you are the one who fuels the darkness infecting the whole situation. Every time you embitter another person you fuel that darkness to grow stronger Don’t be that person, your better then that.
Call me a Kook or a liar if you like but frankly to do so is just a reflection of yourself and all you will reflect is darkness and negativity.
Tisha
Tisha, with all due respect, this issue has nothing to do with banning the mention of other companies’ names. This is Androtics’ forum and if they want to be that petty to censor their members’ speech, then so be it.
The issues I was mentioning was when AIL and DOLLY got tossed from the forum. Remember them? You seem to forget that Ail was tossed from here for an issue that had NOTHING to do with mentining another companies’ name. Also, Dolly had her panties in a bunch for a while about the whole censorship issue, but she seemed to let it go, and just stopped posting regularly here. When she did post, she would refrain from mentioning the other company’s name. She was still a member though, and would pop in and read occassionally, from what I understand.
Some of my other phero using friends told me recently that they came here to do some research on previously purchased pheros, and all of Dolly’s testing reports and posts were gone. All of them. It appears that she has been erased. Even threads that still remain up and active have only her posts removed from those threads. That is very deliberate and cannot be lumped under the “purging old info” heading or anything else.
You talk about a “fued”…Happykitsune was NOT caught in crossfire. The other company’s owners care NOT what goes on in this forum. Some of the members over there cross over and use products from both places too, and this fact is well-known over there. That other company even makes a number of products available that have Androtics’ pheros in them. And, Androtics is always given credit on the labeling.
Happykitsune was banned for breaking the rules about having two accounts on the same ip and not notifying the owners, NOT because she is a member of pherotalk. She could have cleared it up with one phone call to the owners there, who I am sure would have made concessions. NOW, on the other side of the coin, Ail was removed from Pherotalk for speaking the truth, and none of Dolly’s friends can figure out WHY she was erased…she was following the censorship rules and was not being inflammatory. Yet, ALL of her posts have removed. Even when she was following the rules. Go figure.
you know what, if we read eachothers posts carefully,
slowly,
throughout the whole darned forum, we can easily see how great NLP is .
im good- your bad.
im for goodness, everyone/thing else for badness.
my way is right, anything else is… this is where you finish the rest.
no statements are made, yet everything is implied.
I see no “fued” being fueled over there.
I do see opinions in private journals there, where they are ALLOWED to have actual thoughts that are their own
spoken without censorship.
IN A JOURNAL, PEOPLE . 
Lor, I applaud you for pointing this out. There is no fueding going on over there. Members have spoken out in their PRIVATE journals, which are not viewable by the public, but only by other forum members. There is no mud-flinging over there, there is no hostility. Not that I have seen, anyway.
first off, if your talking about a situation in detail here TIsha, you hold a grudge.
forgiving with love and light and NOT persuing negativity means not looking for reasons to bring it up.
plus, no one is here to defend their side.
innocent IS as innocent DOES.
if we are going to gab about duality here, goodness and badness,
then we promote it.
self included.
With all due respect to you " person not using a recognizable name" I was talking about why we cant mention the other company here and not about the banning of Ail or Dolly.
There banning is a whole different issue which again I was present for. Ail was banned before I was moderator here and I had no control over it. Dolly was banned and her posts whipped out after I stepped down and that in itself should tell you that I have never forgotten them, not while I was moderator or now.
Oh and I was not referring to Dollies panties by that statement. Not sure why you would assume I was referring to her to begin with I didn’t know she was part of their administration there which is what I meant by higher ups. I said …
.
Now where do I say Dollies panties. Hell I could be talking about Jasmins panties and its more likely hers will get twisted when she reads my post.
Yes I have noticed that as well and was upset by it. Dollies posts taught me so much about mones use and I would have gave up on copulins without her. I don’t know who did it though and its one of the reasons I started the recipe thread in the journal section. To preserve some part of the old memberships contributions. I understand their stance on banning but I have never seen a total sweep like that in any forum I have worked for.
So your saying that you treat all members who make a mistake badly over there and ban them without warning. Good to know… Please even I know Mara better then that, I have used her products for years. She is not uncaring and I didn’t say she does give a crap about what go’s on in this forum but I am sure she does care about how things being said reflect on her company just as Jasmin does. She is a smart savvy business women.
Now about using Androtics mones and giving them credit on the labeling that is none of my concern really, I leave the business dealing to the business people but I imagine if Androtic used her scent formulas and gave her a plug on the label without a contract or agreement it wouldn’t go over well. I am not saying it was done with malice or bad intent though, Like I said before shit happens don’t drag the customers into it. Oh and I am not talking about raw unmixed mones I am talking about products like TUTH, Mystery Boy, ect ect… That’s just my opinion though and again it wont deter me from enjoying the lovely scents and original formulas Ail and Mara do come up with.
Why would she notify the owner if she didn’t know she broke the rule. Again she made a mistake. You ever make one of those ? I know I have. I know you have rules posted but your forum is getting pretty big over there which is great but with size comes confusion and people can make mistakes and missed postings. If you alienate every member who makes a innocent mistake then your only hurting yourself and your forum. Again just my opinion.
I don’t believe I brought that up in my post. Again Ail was banned before I was mod and Dolly after and while I know the basic reasons I am not privy to all that is going on behind the scenes so I don’t want to make assumptions or say anything that doesn’t ring true and hurt them or anyone here so I will not speak about it all.
I am not telling you (whomever you are) or anyone else how to run the forum over there. You have your rules and I respect them which is why I am not over there in your forum right now questioning them as you are here. Nor am I telling you what to do in kitsunes situation. As I pointed out in my very first post its not easy to be a moderator. You have to make unpopular decisions sometimes. I understand why whomever banned her did because I have been in that position myself at times and you have to make a judgement call and hope its the right one.
My point is that this whole feud and there is a feud about people not being able to talk about LP and the bitterness it is causing is beginning to effect innocent members like happykitsune. Bitterness is akin to darkness and the more you fuel it the more it grow’s until it seeps into everything.
Oh and I have to apologize to you because I was editing my post other to add something when you were replying to me so your quote of my post is a little off .
Tisha
Look, Tisha, I don’t know you except from your posts on a screen. You seem like a nice, well-meaning person. Regardless of the way you make it sound here, I am not connected with the running of the forum over there. I am a member, and most members over there know the story and exactly what happened with happykitsune, and why she was banned. It was looking more and more suspicious to THE OWNERS AND MODS, who took action to protect the members of the forum, and make sure that security is tight. If she had called when she found she was banned, it could have resolved the issue immediately.
The subject had gotten around to Ail and Dolly earlier when I was responding to Steve about people being banned for speaking the truth here, because he hinted that maybe HK was banned because she was speaking out against products. I pointed out that this was not true. Happykitsune brought up the name ban in response to what I said, and it is apparent she just does not know the whole story that I was referring to in my response to Steve.
Your post was about the name ban, but the name ban is Androtics’ business. I do not care whose products will be mentioned and whose will not. As you said in your post, you will shop where you please, and so will I.
GEEZ, what we have said a million times is that when she found she was banned, all it would take would be one phone call. She instead tried to sign up again, and came into another forum to whine about it, instead of SIMPLY picking up the phone.
As I said, I am not a mod or an owner over there. I am a forum member, just like anyone else. I am reporting what I have seen. The reason I am here speaking at all is because happykitsune BROUGHT it here. And, in her search for sympathy, she was not telling the whole story (because she did not even call the owners over there to find out the whole story herself). I felt that other members deserved to know the story from the other side.
Once again, happykitsne’s banning had NOTHING to do with the name issue, the competition, or anything else that has occurred in the phero retailer market. There was a young girl, who signed up with two accounts under one ip, acted suspiciously, made inconsistent statements on a public forum, and was banned for it. When she realized it, she did not call to resolve the situation, but simply tried to create ANOTHER account. You have been a mod. In this day of internet security and forum trolls, and so many other ugly nasties, you can’t be too cautious. But again, WHEN she was banned, all she had to do was call, and it would have been resolved. You don’t go onto a separate forum and whine.
And, as Lor pointed out earlier, in THAT forum, any personal opinions about other companies or individuals are private. They are not dragged out into an open forum.
What is LOA?
Anyway I don’t understand…because I post a lot from work and what if someone else at my job decides to make a account at a forum? it is going to look as the same exact ip address?
does that mean someone automatically is doing fraud? there might be other phero users at my job that I have no idea
Ignoring the darkness or pretending negativity doesn’t exist by ignoring it doesnt make it not exist. It just means the person fears it and dosnt understand it. You can never have light without the darkness. There is no positive without the negative. The only way to create change or seek truth is to confront it not be bop along in la la land and ignore it or not bring it up. The only way to promote goodness is to be aware of the badness to confront it and convert it to light Sometimes in life you have to speak up. Sorry you don’t like that that’s just who I am.
And twinkletoes is ??? She already gave that away for those who have been long time members here.
Innocence doesn’t imply lack of mistakes Lor. It includes mistakes made without malicious intent.
I didn’t use much detail at all to tell you the truth and I am not one for hiding from the truth or being quiet and not stating my opinion. You seem to have a problem with my straight forwardness because you have called me on this before in different threads. Again I am sorry if that bothers you but I have always told people here I am blunt.
Tisha
Gone like a freight train, gone like yesterday! I have spent far too much time online already, and I have work to get done.
Have fun everybody!
I did in no place say that the feud was just there. I said between the two companies and I also stated it was caused by banning from speaking about LP here in this forum, You were on hiatus when this all occurred Lor and those posts are gone from your view. and it has been a sore spot here with members for a long time.
Here I will show you>>>>>>>>>>
Now your reaction to what I wrote and your assumption made that I was referring to LP alone is wrong. No where do I say that Lp banned talk about androtics. But the act of banning them here caused suspisions and people making assumptions about both companies.
Now I know your not referring to me here because if you are you are just reading parts of my post and not the whole thing.
Go back and read post number 11 and you will clearly see me explaining the same thing
I can see why you thought I was responding to just you because in post number 61 I quoted you. I was responding to your post as well as the few before it that were talking about the banning of speaking about LP here yours was just the last in line before my post. I didn’t say she was banned from talking bad about the products
You are all so busy being defensive you let my whole point go right over your head.
Tisha
The way back machine and an hour or so to kill one afternoon gave me some surprising clarity on certain aspects of this conflict…even forum moderators can’t completely delete threads and posts from internet archives…
Very true Xev. I am not sure which issue your referring to now because there are so many deleted posts pertaining to everything we are talking about in this thread but its all there in black and white.
Tisha
bottom line… there should of been some kind of warning given before they just started banning. A simple email would of cleared things up. You dont just go around banning people because they look suspicious. She could of called after being banned, but why would she? I wouldn’t feel very welcomed to call had I just been kicked off with no warning or explaination.
It would also be nice if they would respond to emails and acknowledge peoples attempts to make things right…
Tiffany
If I remember correctly Dolly did a whole post on how she thinks Androtics isn’t as good as the other place. It was a post enough to make any new member of pheros stray away from Androtics. She was talking about how Androtics products were watered down and not as good of quality as they used to be, and even stuff that reflected bad on Amy.
I don’t care if it’s private that’s still mudslinging and a lot of hositility. And if I was able to see that in the short amount of time I was in that forum then you can bet noobs are gonna see it too.
I’m going to have to agree with Happykitsune on this one, and disagree with Lor and Twinkletoes. That is just my perception and feeling.
There are some pots and kettles around here for sure…
I honestly didn’t want to post anything anymore in this thread so excuse me kitsune for dropping back again, I wont post anything after this here.
Anyhow, I really wanted to say
To:
tisha23, twinkletoes, and lor.
You guys are great, wonderful people, and I have great respect for you guys. But I think this discussion is going out of hand. And I really hate seeing my fav’t people talking in a not so healthy way.
The initial post is about:
This is basically about a kid being banned at the other place and feeling bad about it. We advised her what to do, and she hasn’t called them yet. It’s her problem. Let’s give her some fresh air and time to make her own decision. Yea, she made her mistake, let her fix it. She’s a big girl now.
This discussion is going out of hand and most importantly is not even close to what the point of this whole post is about. Now it’s more like androtics vs. the other place.
Business and customers are 2 different things. Some may love androtics others may hate it. Same thing with the other place. Who knows, it’s their beeswax and let them be. If they love it, great. If they don’t then geeze, those people need to get over it instead of stirring up more drama.
I personally think this post should be locked cause it’s getting f**ked up and the last page isn’t even close to what the original post is about.
Ciao, I’m outta here.
I must agree with the young mssleva on this one. I apologize for my part in letting it go as far as it did. It is happykitsune’s problem, and it is up to her to be grown up enough to resolve the problem.