I find masturbation doesn’t help me with interacting with people on a day to day basis.. Watching porn etc gets me thinking of women in more a stimulus response, (You’re a whore slut) way.
Whereas when I don’t watch porn my interactions with people are in a more humane way.
Furthermore, masturbation seems to lower dopamine levels in the brain, and many people think men over 35 should limit masturbation or ejaculation to 1x week or less.
What are your thoughts.. Do you think masturabting just makes you think of and see women are physical objects?
Porn and masturbation are two very different things.
I can see how porn would make someone objectify or dehumanize women but not masturbation. Masturbation is a natural part of our sexuality.
The same chemicals released in your brain during sex, Dopamine, Oxytocin, testosterone, serotonin and adrenalin are released during masturbation. That center of the brain doesn’t know the difference.
With porn most people tested fail to secrete the oxytocin which deepens the bond and gives sex that more human quality.
Masturbation should not, in my opinion, dehumanize women unless your thoughts about women tend to lean that way or you carry some sort of guilt for masturbating.
I agree watching porn and ejaculating after it doesn’t make me feel cozy or more intimate compared to just masturbating.. but I’ve trained myself over the last 20 years to masturbate to porn. I never do it without. Maybe its a bad habit that needs changing?
I feel masturbating too often for me is a no no.. You see with my health issues I feel rather weak, lethargic and almost void of confidence when I do it too much. I feel it weakens my body.. It didn’t do this when I was 20 but now that I’m older it does do it.
Have you found any evidence that suggests some older men are better off not ejaculating and just masturbating without ejaculation? Perhaps saving ejaculation for times they have sex with a partner only?
There was a study done with asian men that found testosterone levels peaks on day 6 and 7 after a week of abstinence and then after masturbating again they dropped to baseline, and then a week later rose again and so on.
I did a test and found I ejaculated last wed, and this wed my body was in full gear.. I put on more muscle mass without trying any harder on day 6, and my sex drive and motivation was through the roof.. Mones works better for me. Now i didn’t ejaculate this wed a week later and now its thurs and my hormone levels seems to have declined and the confidence and rock solid nerves I had just yesterday are not at peak.
I don’t know if this is placebo or fact but what I felt yesterday was invincibility which is much stronger than sheer confidence.
I don’t have to masturbate as I’d rather have sex but I just want to make sure if its in my best health interest to masturbating weekly with ejaculation , or to avoid masturbation completely. Will my hormones plummet if I stop completely? I’m deathly scared of this! I don’t want to turn into a pastor.
Porn is bad for the health. Yeah, sounds stupid, but what dsouza said is only one part of it. You lose the will to get the good looking girls cause you get them thrown at you til you say stop…on the internet. Libido goes down, the will to game goes down.
I personally don’t get any benefits from this so called nofapwhatever…I find it nonsense. But there can be a balance; if I don’t “do it” for too long, I become more agressive and minor things stress me to no end. That’s no good. But if I don’t fap for just 2 or 3 days longer than I usually stay abstinent, I feel sexual energy within me waiting to get unleashed! Everything I do I do with more passion and sex feels great, according to feedback I also act a lot more errr wild but natural during sex.
Abstaining for a few days longer than usual = positive effect
Consequent no-fap-sh** = negative effect
Porn = cut it out
PS: maybe I should add that when I haven’t released the tension for some time, I can’t work very efficiently as I get distracted by the content of my pants easily ._. Nevertheless I like how charged I am with sexual energy.
Well you know your body better then anyone and only you know how you feel. Personally I think those feelings are more psychological then they physical. Studies have proved long ago that sex doesn’t weaken the body. Coaches just tell athletes that because they want them to keep their mind on the game so basically its like a old wives tale or in this case a old coaches tale.
No I haven’t. Biologically your body doesn’t know whether your having sex or masturbating. The same chemical response happens.
Yes I have seen that particular study but you have to look at all the data and studies that go with it to come to a conclusion. Studies have shown the exact same thing after sex with a women. Again your mind knows the difference but your body doesn’t.
There is no set number for your hormones levels. There is what they call a baseline and a range that extends out from either side of the baseline which is considered normal. This is because in men hormonal levels fluctuate, not as much as women but still they do fluctuate. As long as your in that range its fine. Going to far on either side of that range for your age can be unhealthy but ejaculating wont cause that unless your constantly ejaculating and not giving your body time to recover.
Weekly is not a lot. No your hormone levels wont plummet they will fluctuate and return back to baseline. This is what a healthy body naturally does not only with hormones but all the chemicals in the body. Even plasma, semen and water levels will do this.
There is no chance you will turn into a pastor, Just a side note, most pastors have normal hormone levels as well. Pastors have sex, its priests who dont.
I purposely didn’t release for 8 days and by day 8 I was feeling VERY AGGRESSIVE.. I felt like I couldn’t stand still, had no patience, and was thinking of just screwing, no foreplay nothing, so tense with the hormones.. I just released and found I couldn’t contain myself because I let it build for so long.. I found I needed porn to get an erection as I’m used to it and I ejaculated much sooner than I normally do (like seconds into it whereas usuallyI can watch porn for a good 10 min or more before I release).
In any case I hate porn.. I want it to stop.. I need to get aroused without it. Porn doesn’t make you a better lover. It makes you get off quicker.
I find I need to release once a week.. once every 8 days is too much aggression for me.
Now I find after I release I can’t think to well.. i am fairly slow thinking.. i feel anxious more. Is this normal? I feel more nervous around people instead of more rock solid confidence I had when I went without thoughts of sex for a week.
I also feel my breathing is more shallow, and I’m very nervous about interacting with women I normally talk to now.
I hope this turns around soon.. I hate having to ejaculate.. But I feel I have too or I become a aggressive and short tempered.
And again it’s all about the control of emotions I brought up in another thread. I am a calm person. To me it means a lot to get agressive; it doesn’t happen every day. If I’m not mistaken then to you it happens more often.
If you, however, gain control over the emotions, and maybe only then will you be able to measure when you get agressive from the leashed tension or…whatever else makes you mad Also your age may be the cause why this nofapfortwodays doesn’t work well for you - I don’t know, man. It’s just what I prefer.
But yes, it’s less that I feel more anxious or nervous and worse at game when I have ejaculated recently, but more that I feel LESS anxious and nervous when I DIDN’T Get my drift? Thats one meaning of “doing everything with more passion”.
That porn problem of yours sounds serious. That someone needs porn to get horny is just one thing. I wish you the best so you may say good bye to porn AND will still be as sexual as you want to be.
Again, this may seem dull to you, but meditation is the key. The root is somewhere within you and a part of you knows exactly where it is. And that part of you can reveal it to you during meditation; words, pictures or something you cannot describe.
I can also recommend Lucid Dreaming to discover the root of all your psychical problems.
Sometimes your inner self is screaming out to you but you don’t hear its call.
Dsouza I’m not an expert, take this as my humble oppinion of someone, who, eh, went through quite some trouble in life. I don’t wanna be your therapist either, so I’ll stop this wall of text here
Can you expand more on prolactin? My levels are above normal I think.. pretty high.. I take meds for depression and anxiety. The meds are pretty good but I’m wondering what prolactin has to do with masturabating and how you can control the levels better?
Can I ask what makes you think your prolactin is high ? Have you had it tested ?
A few things can cause elevated prolactin in men.
Illness of the pituitary which I don’t suspect you have. Mental and physical stress can increase it.
Depression and anxiety drugs can also cause it. In fact its part of how they work. Thats why it says on those pharmaceuticals warnings labels that these type drugs can cause sexual dysfunction as a side effect.
HGH can also increase the amount of prolatin you normally make.
(What does it have to do with ejaculation)
When you ejaculate your prolactin level sky rockets but this is normal. Its your body telling you your done and need to recover. Some men recover quicker then others. But generally 10 minutes to 40 is normal depending on age and you return to baseline. Its also what makes men so relaxed sleepy and calm after orgasm so any ladies reading this now should understand its not all their faults they get the urge to roll over and go to sleep LOL
Continually high prolactin causes ED, loss of libido or infertility. Now notice I said continually. Dont confuse that with the natural spike after orgasm. Your body has a natural rhythm and returns unless something is preventing that.
If you truly do have high prolactin then you would have to discover why to control it better. Do you know your numbers ?
High for 10 years (the levels) constantly. I take meds for anxiety depression etc and have hard time with erections if I don’t take erection medication.
Any ways I can decrease my prolactin levels consistently?
Also after ejaculating I can’t ejaculate for another day. When I was younger more than 1x day was possible.. now more than 1x week and I feel sick.
Well…first just a reminder that I am not a MD so I only can give you suggestions you can look into.
My first suggestion would be to take B6. You have to get the right kind though which most people dont. You want the activated form of B6 called Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate (P5P)
50 mg to 200 mgs a day but not in one dose. Split that amount into 3 times a day.
This is higher then the RDA recommends but its because people use the wrong kind. High amounts of Pyridoxine Hydrochloride can cause tingling in extremities at high does and doesn’t work as well to lower prolactin as P5P does. P5P wont cause those side effects.
Next zinc of course if your not taking that already. All men should take that as they get older.
Then Mucuna pruriens or cowhedge. Read about that here >>>
Just picked up some p5p , zinc, and mucuna pririens… Let’s see how it works out… What can i expect from this supplementation?
What is the effect of loweing my prolactin levels and increasing my zinc levels?
[edit] it is now the next day after starting the supplements and I had a great sleep.. i also woke with an erection.. Furthermore I felt more focused in the morning. Could it be possible this concoction is working already? I don’t know.. Will report back in a week.
I’d ditch those anti depressants in favor colloidal copper. Ionic copper can accumulate and introduce undesired toxicity whereas the colloidal form evades this malady. I’ve found this remedy forever~lasting in its dopamine boosting qualities, free that too often, down~regulation; or reduced sensitivity of neurotransmitter receptors as the body undyingly seeks homeostasis in the face of what genetics deem disequilibrium.
[Dopamine]; its sister molecules [norepinephrine], and epinephrine play a role [together] with [serotonin.] Here’s a lecture with further details: (Stanford’s Sapolsky On Depression in U.S. (Full Lecture) - YouTube) These being the [most influential] in my amateur understanding..
Dopamine concentrations=Libido
Mucuna Pruriens for dopamine, yes; though realize nothing in the immediate class of widely distributions is targeting a sustainable mood alteration. The precursors like L Tyrosine and L Dopa; I’ve found are best cycled or treated as a byproduct of diet. The long term gratifying dosings equating reliance, bring tolerance; and the eventual inefficacy, by compare to exercise and what appears thus far, sustainable alternative. The most bio~assimilable zinc is without surprise, colloidal in its particulate suspension; and I’ve yet experimented with this one. It must also be suggested; the same fate lies all re~uptake measures, from Acetylcholine~sterase Inhibitors to the common SSRI. These things work, for awhile; then the diminishing vitalizing power they once magnified in us becomes something of a enigma as to the popularity such inventive profiteering.*
I haven’t had a chance to read throughout this whole thread, but I’ll throw in what I think masturbation does to me.
I did it since I could (6 years now) for everyday. Sometimes going up high scores per day (disgusting). The past week or so, was the longest I’ve went without masturbating (did once or twice only). I can tell you by the end of last week, on friday, I had this energy or courage to just interact with anyone without no fear whatsoever… something I’ve read numerous self-help books, watched videos, and killed my brain to achieve. Surprisingly enough, I bluntly complimented a girl (fully direct) for the first time ever in the lecture hall that day and talked to other girls without any hesitation. I felt what people say by being “in state”.
Stupidly enough, I did it this morning because I felt I couldn’t take it (I just had to get up but I didn’t lol), and today I felt myself more in my head, less socially calibrated, don’t necessarily have the same excitement.
Bottom line: personally, I think I’m wayyy better without it. I’m more grounded, happy with myself, and approach anxiety is literally gone. I’m thinking actually that stopping it might actually be lots of guys’ solution to AA.
Well since your levels are high and you mentioned some effects on your libido and with erections lowing your prolactin will help with those problems. It can also increase your testosterone a little.
There are many benefits to zinc and most people dont get enough in their diets. My suggestion that males use it, especially older males, is because it supports reproductive health.
Just a side note… I didnt suggest Mucuna Pruriens to increase your dopamine levels. Mucuna Pruriens cant do that without certain other chemicals you would need to use with it. It does have levodopa but it breaks down in the body before it reaches the brain so its ineffective for depression. I am suggesting it in response to your question about prolactin and just for lowering your blood prolactin levels.
There’s a lot to read on this thread and I’m just going to fast forward to my opinion: Masturbation keeps the paynis strong!!! A weak kegal muscle is directly related to a weak erection or worse yet erectile disfunction. Masturbation helps to strengthen the muscles involved in the penialsia(is that a word?).
That’s my stance anyways… If you’re single… Go for it! Penis exercise away!! If you’re in a relationship and still masturbating though that will destroy your relationship. Put the moves on your girl and get that monkey when you want it, stop being lazy!!
Thank you as always my internet friend! In general have you read any studies which stated how long these therapies take to become effective? (The supplements you prescribed)
Stopping masturbation or stopping watching porn and masturbating? Like people here say, they are 2 different things.
As for your experiences I relate to them.. When I jerk off to porn I feel like I’m more introverted and can’t bother with people, think of women in dehumanizing ways and lose my will to interact with people in general (beyond hi hello).
When i abstain a power builds in me that makes me literally feel like going out there hunting with a loaded gun and the will to game.
I don’t think stopping mastubation is the ticket though.. For example if I stop to long I feel I lose all sex drive. This could be in part to my high prolactin levels due to my anxiety and depression, or it could be due a lack of ejaculation.
There is also the issue of erection hardness and porn.. i feel when I watch porn I get a super erect penis and good ejaculation but premature ejaculation, but when I touch myself I get a semi hard penis and no ejaculation for even 30 min to hour. It’s a real bore. Perhaps the nerves in my penis are pretty much desensitized over the past 25 years of jerking off and sex. I don’t know. but I find I can’t get hard enough nor ejaculate unless I watch porn.
Anyone have any comments? I have tried two very good sex pills so far that have worked for me.. one is cialis at20 mg. the other is Ying da Wang (a chinese product).. Both help with erections under stimulation. Problem is I need too much stimulation like porn otherwise nothing happens. Just stoking myself or intercourse is not stimulating enough for me to get /stay hard.
One other questions, do any of you think aerobics is beneficial to erection strength? I find aerobics kills my testosterone levels and my ability to build muscle as I’m now over 40. But I have read some studies that state that aerobics can increase blood flow to the penis. What are your thoughts on this? Anyone?
Also your age may be the cause why this nofapfortwodays doesn’t work well for you - I don’t know, man. It’s just what I prefer.