16 year old, junior in high school!

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Hello all.
I’m gonna be completely, straight up honest with you guys before I start. I have absolutely no hope in this and honestly think this whole site is a gimmick. I’ve even seen countless other sites and even some that backlash at this site for being dishonest and untrustworthy, such as the counter-forum pherotruth. The only reason I’m here is because I’m willing to try out one final method of appeal before I give up. Please prove me wrong and prove that this is a legitimate site! :frowning:

Another thing I noticed is that most users on this site are mostly college students, graduates, and 30+ year old members. This is why I’m doubtful as to whether pheromones will be right for me, since I’m one of the few high schoolers that have posted here. Am I too young?..for example.

Okay, so here’s my story.
I’m a 16-year-old, ASIAN (and proud) citizen living in Oregon. I’m a junior in high school, although education is not one of my special points. I like working out and am pretty cut, to say the least. Everyone knows I have one of the best bodies in the junior class. I’m generally very shy, but starting last year (sophomore year), I realized I’ve started opening up to people a lot better. When someone struck up a conversation, I found that it was easier to respond and keep the conversation alive for a bit longer. I’ve also realized that I’ve been able to befriend others in a shorter amount of time. The thing that amazes me is that before I entered high school, I didn’t have much social skills. In fact, to be perfectly honest, I was socially awkward. It’s been like that throughout most of my life, me being socially deprived and people having to come to ME in order to become friends.

Until I entered high school, that is. I know it doesn’t sound like much, but now I’M the one that goes up to others to strike up a conversation. That’s record breaking for me. Another thing is that girls seem to want me to walk them to their next class, which is also new for me. Back in middle school, being alone with a girl was the biggest fear that I had, since I had no idea what to talk about to them. It’s a similar situation right now too, since girls want me to walk them to their next class, but I have no idea what to say during that time of talk. I’m afraid that I’ll be too awkward to speak and next time they would think twice before asking me to walk them to their next class. I know all of this sounds ridiculous, but it is what it is. This is how I feel around girls. When girls ask me for a hug, I have no idea how to respond, that’s how fearful I am of how to respond, afraid I’ll make the wrong move.

Another thing to note is that I’m not like this around guys at all. When I’m with my regular guy friends, I’m the most outgoing guy alive. I can be the alpha male around them if I please, but when it comes to females, I’m about the lowest degree there is.

So here’s the question at hand. What pheromone product would be best for me? The product I’m looking for is not something that makes girls look at me in sexual appeal. I don’t want anything that makes girls crave sex with me or anything too aggressive like that. I want a nice conversation starter-type pheromone product, one that can make me look approachable and not too intimidating or not too awkward. Awkwardness is the biggest concern I have, since I am VERY awkward. I want to be able to be approached, or BE the one that approaches females, without having to worry if they want to talk to me or not. I want to be able to start a conversation with girls and keep it going, and even if it falls silent, I can pick it right back up and keep going, not stuttering or blabbering. NO AWKWARDNESS is my key concern. I want a confidence booster, one that will make me feel great even when the mood could be somewhat uncomfortable.

Price is SORT of an issue, since I don’t have much cash on me at the moment. I don’t know if smell is an issue, but if there is an odor, I hope it’s not too bad. Another question, if I wear the pheromone, can I apply deodorant on top of it as well? Or will it cancel the effects? Also, I’ve heard of products working well with females, but provoking males into aggressive stances. I want to avoid these if possible, but if there is no choice, then so be it.

So, there you have it. I look forward to your responses! I apologize for being such a pessimistic unbeliever, it’s just who I am. Please don’t criticize me too harshly for this brash post, it’s late in the evening from where I am posting this.

Thank you
Ryan

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hi Ryan,

you’ve made a rather good introduction, so I’m almost sure you qualify for a $25 Gift Certificate that will let you try a couple of products for free. If there is still something that the AD staff need to know, they will ask you.

As for the products themselves, I would recommend Instant Openness, Instant Honesty and Instant Shine. Maybe Instant Gentleman as well.
Short characteristics:
IO - ice breaker. Makes people feel like talking to you.
IH - raport maker. Makes people feel like they’ve know you for ages and can talk to you about anything.
IS - makes you appear as a confident, comfortable, happy person. Hence, makes people feel good around you
IG - high-status. Makes you a star, basically :slight_smile:

Now, the confidence issues. You also need to be confident. Pheromones highlight you, but when you send an alpha-male signal pheromonally, and then you act beta, very self-consciously, avoiding eye contact etc., it’s very confusing for the people around. They might avoid you even more.
Now, when you are an alpha and you act alpha, alpha pheromones make you even more so. Of course there’s more types than just the alpha status ones, I’m just using it as an example. You just have to be congruent with the signal your pheromones send about you.
Please read the sticky threads here in the “Introductions” section as well as men’s and ladies’ subforums. That will give you a lot of valuable knowledge to start this adventure in an informed fashion.

Don’t hesitate to ask any questions,

welcome :slight_smile:

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Hi Ryan - Welcome to Pherotalk.

Excellent advice from Marihino above - At your age, socials are far the best approach.

His advice confidence and congruency are spot-on as well.

Yes, scepticism is good and it helps you approach pheros with a keener eye to their effects. If you put your GC to good use, I hope you will see good results. :slight_smile:

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Hi Ryan, I would recommend that you first take a read at these stickies;

https://pheromonetalk.com/t/read-me-first-helpful-topics-on-how-to-get-around/3106
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003

At the same time, if budget is an issue, I would recommend that you try out the toGO bottles before purchasing the 30ml versions.

With your GC, you should be able to purchase them at a reasonable cost to start you out :slight_smile:

Cheers!

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Hi nigahiga:

Welcome to the forum! I also agree with Marihino and would add instant shine to the list of products for you.

What you probably don’t want to do is load up on mixes that have alot of androstenone. Young guys are already producing alot of this, and too much will reduce your approachability by girls your age.

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Thanks for the speedy replies guys. $25 gift card? How do I even use it lol. I noticed most products you recommended to me are mostly a lot of INSTANT products…I wanna know what is best for me. I’m honestly not that much of an alpha, I mean I CAN be alpha but only when I’m around certain people. In my opinion, other people overrule me in terms of outgoingness and well-likingness. :frowning:

Even with the GC, I think I can only purchase one product (wouldn’t want to all these products and have only one of them work). Can you recommend the BEST one out of these choices, based on my situation? Remember, I’m shy but getting a bit more open. I don’t like having to approach others for lack of confidence and fear of what they will think. I like when conversations are started by others but do not know how to continue them (especially if they are girls). I stutter occassionally and do not know how to respond when girls ask for a hug or to share jackets with them…

By the way, are all these products fail-safe? I’m worried that some of them would not show a difference for me while others WOULD…I don’t really like trial and error, if it can be avoided :stuck_out_tongue:. Are all these products bound to work, only not as well as another product would? Or would some fail and some work?

And last of all…the odor…is there any scent associated with the products, and if so, can I use deodorant to mask out the smell, or would it cancel out the effects?

Thanks in advance!
Ryan

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Welcome to pherotalk nighhiga!

Luckily for you the IG is back in stock and so if I had to recommend one product to give you that cool more mature vibe to help you be more approachable and assist with the shyness I would say that.

Just in case you can squeeze in two then IG and IO

Yes , mostly instant lines and socials are recommended because you are young and already producing a shit loads of pheromones naturally.

Your gc was issued!:slight_smile:

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I took a look at Instant Gentleman and Instant Openness and they are way above my budget. I apologize for having such a limited field of choice due to lack of money!

Would Instant Honesty be satisfactory for my needs as well? Because that is currently the only thing I can afford (the TO GO choice, which is about 85% off).

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For the scent package, they come in Neroli @ 6% cologne strength, so not overbearing, IMO. You can use a cover scent with them as well, if you wish. Deodorant… usually applied, underarm… but NOT, mones. Application points could be wrists, chest, neck, hair… on your exposed skin to get a larger mone cloud around you.
Well, you could try the Togo’s, as I’ve linked below. Basically, if you wanted to try out IG and IShine, you can use up your GC, which I assume is $25, then, use up the 500 reward points you should also have for posting up in the Intro forum for the rest and it should be costing you @ $2, out of pocket?!
The Togo’s will get you @ 40 sprays per 5ml bottle, so you can likely try them out for about or almost a month, depending on the amount of sprays, and see how they work out for you…

“Instant Openness” TO GO! :: Pheromones To Go™ (Portable / Travel Size) :: Androtics Direct (Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314)

“Instant Gentleman” For Men To Go :: Pheromones To Go™ (Portable / Travel Size) :: Androtics Direct (Instant Gentleman — Classy, High Value Male Pheromone - Alpha A314)

IShine is an alternative that I could recommend to IO. It gets me a bump in confidence as well as having an comforting vibe to those around me.

“Instant Shine” Feel Good Pheromone - TO GO! :: Pheromones To Go™ (Portable / Travel Size) :: Androtics Direct (Instant Shine Spray — Mood Enhancing Pheromone For Men - Alpha A314)

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Alright, these are my current final choices: Instant Openness and Instant Honesty (both 1x power and 5mL). I researched a bit and learned that these are the perfect combos?

I’m still looking into the third Instant product, Instant Shine. I read some mixed reviews on this product criticizing it’s minimal effect compared to the other two products, and considering my low budget, I thought to prioritize the previous two products above the IS. Is this a good decision on my part, or should I just squeeze in this last product as well?

Also, I’ve read that too much of pheromones can cause the OPPOSITE of the desired effect, or hostility from the same sex. Do any of these products do that? I really don’t desire that side effect.

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You are not likely to get OD effects from any social - unless you go into mega doses (8-10 sprays and more) and even then all you are likely to get is a bit of a giddy feeling or feel a bit run-down/drained/have a headache after a few hours.

The main products that have OD risks are the none ones and at your age it is easier to OD because of your higher natural none output. :slight_smile:

So far, you sound to be well on the right tracks. :slight_smile:

Also remember that all the Instants are warrantied and will be refunded/replaced if you find them ineffective, so do try them individually and if they don’t work for you, let AD know. It is possible that certan pheros may not work for you/with your body chemistry and trying is the only way to find out. Personally I don’t get a great deal from IO but if I use IH/IS together, I find that works very well in a similar way for me.

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Hi, Ryan,

Good advice from the previous posters. If you suddenly are more attractive to everybody, maybe you have begun to produce your own pheromones, so don’t overdo it with the products. As for what to say while walking the girls to class, just be yourself, don’t have to overdo the alpha thing, but DO NOT talk about yourself. Ask questions, find out what the girl’s interests and hobbies are, and especially if you have some in common, go from there. Everyone feels good when the conversation is all about them. I was a terrible nerd till I took a Dale Carnegie course, “how to win friends and influence people”. (back in the 70s, man) Good luck with all this. I am a beginner myself, but I have noticed definite different effects using IO, IH, Shine, 314, etc. Lee

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Alright, I purchased Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, and TO GO Instant Shine. I have no idea what to expect, also kind of skeptical since I am an asian and I have no idea if ethic backgrounds affect pheromone usage.

Anyways, I’m hoping for the best, can anyone recommend me a certain pattern of usage when the products arrive? I want to immediately try out combos, but reading up on other threads, I’ve realized that is a hasty decision. Do I try out one product daily for a week, then switch off to the next, and so on until I learn the patterns and which works best, and THEN start comboing?

And which should I start with? I’m leaning towards Instant Openness since I want to be able to open up and prolong conversations but I’m open to suggestions.

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no, Instant Honesty, Instant Openness and Instant Shine are pretty much impossible to overdose as they are neither masculine nor feminine. You might find some unwanted effects like someone talking too much if you use an awful lot, but that’s about it.

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I’m one of the few users here who started using mones in high-school from the other guys. I found this place while I was in college and have never looked back. The advice that other users gave is pretty much spot on.

Depending on how quick you pick up things it might take you a while to find your sweet spot. I remember using my first togos just for that, alot of people see it as a waste, but if you start out from a strong base before you start combining products it will save you alot money.

The biggest advice I can give you is do not look for hits throughout your day, I used to do this and I would pass up the subtle hits, by looking for the blatant ones. Once you can notice subtle hit better you will realize, how often blatant hit occur.

Here is a sweet spot post that Steve made and it helped me out alot when I first got here.

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Thank you for that helpful post! So when my package arrives, should I start by spraying to chest, or by spraying to wrists? Which application pulse point works better? Since I am a noobie, I’m going to follow the one spray to two sprays to three sprays guideline, but I am not sure which place to spray to begin with.

Also, it says HAIR as a great application point, but hair doesn’t even have heat, so how can it diffuse well? Also, I wear wax gel on my to spike it up, will wearing that negate the pheromones in any way?

Thanks in advance
Ryan

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Neck in my opinion is the best place it really helps the mones diffuse, I’m not a big fan of the chest because the mones would have to travel through your shirt and most of them would end up on your clothes.

Hair is a really good place for mones your hair doesn’t have heat but your head does so it would be a good place. if you wear alot of wax gel. I would suggest the back of the head or neck area.

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I’m receiving my package today consisting of Instant Honesty, Instant Openness, and Instant Shine. I want to actually notice effects on the first day that I use pheromones, so which should I use? I’m thinking of testing them on this girl that always come up to me (I’d like to think because she’s interested), but since I’m so awkward, the conversation between us ends quickly. For example:

“Are you tired?”
“Yeah I’m tired. What about you?”
“Me too.”

Yeah, I’m kind of bad…

Which Instant product should I use to prolong conversations and also make it a bit more meaningful than the one I just stated? I don’t mean a full on conversation about her personal life and drama, just maybe something a bit more meaningful than talking about the weather. What product would show me the most NOTICEABLE results on the first day?

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90% mones 10% you if you want to start with IO and see how it goes

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Hey! I think you should start with some IO. You’ll still find that you will be talking about how you are tired, the weather, and other random, meaningless crap, but at least you’re talking right? If you want to make it meaningful, add in some IH. On the first day, try 2 x IO and 1 x IH. Make sure you spray where you will be more likely to sweat, or at least where your skin will get warm. (In other words, a pulse point.) I try to always keep it on my neck, with heavier products on my chest.

By the way, you may want to start up a thread in the Men’s forum.. A lot more people visit there than they do here!

And am I the only one that noticed this person’s name is Ryan, and his username is nigahiga? The same as the guy on YouTube with almost 5 million subscribers? Haha