Just got my 1st order delivered to me (a few days ago). I have Instant shine, CTTM2, and Meo-Est at 30 mcg per spray.
On my first time out I used 4 drops of A314 (base), 2 IS, 2 CTTM2, and 1 Meo-Est (went out to a dance). For the first 20-30 min I waited by the stage to test the approachability power of this mix. I was asked by only one person. After 30 min I started asking people. Once dancing I did notice a lot of great dance connection and shrinking personal space. I also had a lot of lingering conversations after each dance (this is unusual), and there were several who were willing to dance with me several more times before the night was over (very unusual).
I haven’t tried Meo-Est since (Wed). From the sound of it, I may have to try it out with TAF and/or TAL. On the other hand, I do have a massive arsenal of chemical weapons from LS. I probably should try it out with each to see what happens.
sounds like a good mix..but I know little about “Meo-Est”..thought it was a pheromone that put men in a good mood and not women?
Everything looks good with ur mix. Also you may want to try some TUTH 5mcg anone per spray later to add some more sexual tones to the mix for night wear. im using 2-3drops A314, 2 IS, 1-2 Instant Openess, 1-2 sprays TUTH. IFM is also a great product for when u know you will be around primarily women or dates and relationships. IFM helps encourage strong emotional connections much more rapidly and puts women in relaxed moods. But IFM tends to put men in a mello or depressed mood…the benefits far outway the negatives..just ask Josef
IS and A314 should shrink that personal space. I’ve noticed this more when I started adding IS to my A314 mix..women just start nearly walking up all over you.
your results so far look good and promising…I know i had some great priliminary results so far with my mix…I’m new to everything other than A314 that is Androtics. just been using the mix i mentioned above for a couple of weeks now. Has worked better than any other pheromone products and mixes I’ve used in the past.
From reading over the topics on Meo-Est, it seems that no one has really pinned down the effects of this as well as whether it is better utilized by men or women.
The IS is turning into a really good “pick-me-up” for me and the people surounding me. CTTM2 seems to get people chatty and open. The cover scent on both of these is really to my liking.
I’ve got several -none products that have worked very well for me in the past such as NPA and Rogue Male (love RM’s coverscent). Since I have a lot of these (and I have gotten great results with both), it may be a while before I get TUTH. I am thinking about getting IFM, IH, IO, and a few of the other experimones.
thing with TUTH is that it is much more diffusive than rogue male…its more like the effectiveness of NPA, but without the stink of NPA or TE. rogue male, AE, PI all those are in a oil/glycerin base so they don’t diffuse into the air well at all, which explains why I never got that great a result with them.
You’d never get approachability with that much A314. With that amount, you probably wouldn’t even get much approachability when paired with massive amounts of an alpha androtstenol based product.
A314 displays status/higher value – a “DHV”. It makes it easier for you to approach others, with much higher than normal certainty that you’ll a positive response.
With A314, other people will be much more accepting of your advances and your intentions, but at the same time, the display of higher value will vastly reduce the number of people who would’ve approached you.
You could say tht you are more intimidating with A314, but it’s not in an aggressive way like you are sometimes with androstenone. No one will be frightened of you.
Rather, most people will be too afraid they’re going to bother you or waste your time. They’re plenty comfortable around you, but respectful. It’s a VIP effect that most people haven’t experienced previously.
The bottom line is that if you’re not comfortable initiating, A314 is not for you.
Generally people feel more “comfortable” approaching someone “safe” to them. That’s usually someone outwardly fun (Shine has a "fun’ vibe, whereas A314 is more “serious”), or of lower value (one reason why plain looking girls tend to have the more boyfriends and the bigger heads than the prettiest.)
Come Talk To Me Mix 2, despite it’s name, also isn’t great at making you more approachable. It’s a wonderful conduit once someone starts talking (even a “hello” will do), but it will rarely make a people start talking out of nowhere in the way that mix higher in alpha androstenol sometimes will.
Okay, great… you started initiating.
You get a lot of fondness and trust from A314, and a good feeling and melting of personal barriers from Shine (the shrinking of personal space).
The CTTM, too, helps people feel that they’ve known you for quite a while – a great communication tool once a conversation or relationship is started.
The Meo-Est is a wildcard. I like to see hundreds of comments (but will settle at around 40), before I begin to comment on perceived patterns, but it’s definitely a wildcard. I haven’t done any paid research on it yet, and don’t expect to for awhile.
At least it doesn’t seem to be predominantly negative, which is good.
When you’re dealing with completely putative pheromones, you never quite know if they’ll be positive, negative, or a complete dud.
All that said, I’m very interested in whatever results you get with it.
You may want to test it alone, without using it with other pheromones. That’ll allow you to better tune into it’s unique character.
I’d try SMALL amounts of TAH and TAL (2.5mcg to 20mcg) with the masculine pheromones in A314 and Shine.
Yes, I find A314 makes you seem like some important authority figure of high status or something akin to a celebrity. So you can see how a lot of people would feel intimidated by someone of such status. Like being in the same room with your favorite celebrity. I know it would take a lot to muster up the courage to talk to them. Thats why when you do wear A314 and you do initiate conversations and flirt it can have huge advantages because of its polarity. For those that don’t initiate anything and are looking for women to approach them; then A314 will only hurt you in a sense. Adding in Instant Openness and Instant Shine will help with approachability, but you still have to do more work then you normally would without A314. I feel A314 is worth it’s weight in gold when you are the type that pursues your prospects.
Thanks for the heads up on A314. With what you say, I probably would find A314 very valuable in a dance classroom setting. In a typical partner dance class people rotate from person to person. This forces/makes it socialably acceptable to dance with even the most intimidating guy. Then again a PI/m -none OD tends to fix that (been there, done that).
Having worked with -nol products before, I pretty much expected that CTTM2 would require some verbal input from myself (if used alone). BTW this past Sunday I wore three drops of JB#1, 60 mcg of Meo-Est, 1 spray CTTM2, and 1 spray of Shine. Pretty much after getting my dance shoes on, approachability was through the roof. I’m not sure how many people I’ve danced with in the first 30 min. The follows would not let me leave the dance floor. As the night wore on, there were quite a few follows that would insist on talking with me on the sideline (hasn’t happened like this on a consistant basis.). I even had one follow that wanted me to teach her the specific dance styles that I was doing. This is highly unsusal. It is an unspoken rule that “teaching” is not done on the social floor. I also ended up dancing with her for three straight songs (again highly unusal and against social dance ettiquette unless you’re an established couple). I haven’t been “on fire” like this for quite a while.
Thanks again for the suggestions MHarris. I’ll try Meo-Est alone (with Pheros as coverscent since I didn’t order it with one.) this week to pin down the character of this mone.
It is clearly doing something. For me the most frequent experience is a sense of “getting”, holographically instead of left brain intellectually, almost like it selectively quiets the language centers in my left hemisphere and gently increases the activity of my corpus callosum, a bit like when I used to stimulate my right hemisphere with directed ELF magnetic fields through a smal local coil… if I were 20 years younger and highly hormonally jacked, my experience might be wildly unlike that, as Jasmin reported to us… or it could be significantly sexually dimorphic… my first take on this is that it signals a developed relationship that has gone beyond sexual pressures and has matured into a generalized understanding of the other member of the reltionship.
Today I tried a total of 90 mcg of Meo-Est along with 4 drops of Pheros as a coverscent. Nothing too out of the ordinary to report . Although there was this one undergrad in the lab that came to me with a problem on our gel photograph machine. Being the lab manager, this is not unusual in itself, but the funny thing is that she belongs to another lab (we are lending them space) and she usually goes to her PI with questions (in the next room over). I also noticed that it seemed that everyone I talked to today, hung on every single word I said. Anyhow the lab was fairly empty and quiet today. I’ll try this again tomorrow in a classroom setting.
Tactius interesting observation. One of the most interesting things that I noticed today was that I was unusually focused. I’m more of less a deep thinker that gets bogged down in the details. Today the details were still there, but I seemed to get through them all quicker or perhaps my brain dropped all the unimportant ones.
was a result of lowering her intellectual filtering of her limbic drives ? Her description was so totally unlike my initial results… and she had added TAF, to me TAF is an obvious dopamine releaser, and DA is a prosexual neurotransmitter (as well as a pituitary agonist if I’m not mistaken, so you could have some downstream effects as well that may take longer to kick in)… thus MEO-EST + TAF + ovulation (guessing here) could possibly have a strong catalyst effect… all in the timing…
I will be attending an event where a lot of folks will be resonating to their guru, not necessarily MY guru, although the context is perfect for this. May be a good opportunity to let a little whiff of MEO-EST into the atmosphere and see what group mind develops from it.:o :o
I think I noticed this, too. Meo was a “shut my eyes and spray” wildcard in a TAF heavy mix I used while cleaning my house. I was hyperfocused and hyper anal retentive - qualities I usually attribute to TAF, but MEO didnt slip by without making its presence known.
I agree with you here… MEO kind of seems like a good “sorter”.
question here: we observe dimorphism with some fragrances, and maybe some pheromones. Was also wondering if one class of pheromones does more or less the same thing in large groups as it does one on one, where another might behave in a markedly different way in assemblies (like alpha-dienol appears to) ?
Snowed in at Tokyo Narita airport. Business lounge was full (they were announcing flights that had been cancelled from the previous day). Cute chick from Joburg sitting at the newspaper table. Some businessmen around me. Nobody talking. Went to the men’s room, 3 sprays CTTM2 and returned. Sit down and just after HK businessman starts a conversation with me - soon whole table is talking.
But that does seem exceptrion rather than the rule.
A314 doesn’t not behave like plain Rone. It’s got many other things in it to balance it and bring out the best parts of Rone without the negatives. It’s hard to OD with A314, because it’s error corrected. The general dosage range is 2-5 drops.
The point mharris is trying to make is that when you use A314, it’s like adding a big jump in status to yourself. You come off as a leader/boss type figure. Someone of high imprtance. It just makes it harder for others to approach you own there own because they feel less important than you, or possibly beneath you in a way. Kind of like if your favorite A list celebrity was in the room. most would find it hard to approach them.
The huge advantage of wearing A314 is that when you do initiate things or flirt with women it can dramatically reduce your chances of rejection. Picture a victoria secret model coming up to you and asking you to go out for dinner…would you say no?
it’s a powerful product, but only in the hands of someone that will take charge and initiate conversation with another woman or show signs of interest towards them. For those that want to sit around and do nothing and then the women come to them, then A314 will only hurt you.
Advanced to better technology. I now prefer the Photosonix light/sound device used only with headphones. Photosonix’ great breakthrough was with their random jumping within a specified bandwidth. For me, staying within an alpha range, 8-14 Hz, but randomly jumping to specific frequencies within that window, like 11,9,14,10,8,13… in short blocks of time,about 20 seconds, has by far the most productive stimulation without the overstimulation of bright LED goggles… I think that pure sound aouusal, done right,has the nicest long term stim consequences… more productivity, more cognitive fluidity, better sex…
I tried a CTTM2 OD (about 3 sprays) before I entered a resturant. Since I was eating alone I just sat back, enjoyed the service, and the pick up of conversation/flirting on the other tables. Pretty much like a near OD of SOE (SOE does seem to get me some attention, perhaps because of the -rone). Anyhow I’m sure the owner apprciated the large tips I saw being plunked down by the other dinners .
heh. i vividly remember my first flight into narita airport, the sun was bright over what seemed like miles of rice paddies making everything golden. that was very pleasant. that pleasant feeling lasted until my
ride showed up at narita 4 hours late and about 100 dollars worth of vending machine canned drinks and 12 dollar bowls of ramen noodles later.
that tempered it just a bit. lol. why oh why weren’t there any cute south african women there when i was there? why god why???
(been there, done that).
. Although there was this one undergrad in the lab that came to me with a problem on our gel photograph machine. Being the lab manager, this is not unusual in itself, but the funny thing is that she belongs to another lab (we are lending them space) and she usually goes to her PI with questions (in the next room over). I also noticed that it seemed that everyone I talked to today, hung on every single word I said. Anyhow the lab was fairly empty and quiet today. I’ll try this again tomorrow in a classroom setting.
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