That’s not a typo.
The experiment may generate a new product. (or at least an update of existing ones, like Turn Up The Heat)
>>> Pongo, what would you say is/are the major differences in the two? And why T2 until Tuesday … you going back to T1 or are you going on vacation?
If you read through the thread you can find the differences in the 2 products as I see them - I actualy put a lot of thought into the posts in this thread.
I will test T3 next.
Interesting . . . what in normal alpha -nol were you trying to debug out of it?
(Sigh) All these new pheromone “toys” (including the puntative 74-81), and such a tight budget. I’m headin off on vacation to Kaui and Japan in a little over a month. I’m keeping my eyes glued to these new mone threads to see if any of these new mone might make the vacation a bit more, interesting . . . . 
-SwingerMD
While alpha-nol isn’t a “tough” one, like androstenone, androsterone or androstadienone, little tweaks to “steer” it are still possible and can be VERY useful.
For example, it has a reputation as a communication pheromone, yet bare androstenol doesn’t create the quality of communication some people might expect. While #1 complaint about bare androstenol is probably “neurotic chatter” about “nothing”, I also see that it perhaps makes people too spacey and giggly for some needs.
Instant Openness, I feel, lives more up to to the communication reputation of anol, and less to the giggly side of the things (although it still has great “feel good” element to it)
With anol, it’s more like making gourmet flavors (like rosemary olive oil) than “fixing it”.
Another example: James Kohl’s “Scent of Eros”, if you look at his early writing about it, was intended to be an androsterone product, and he said “the perfumer” added the anol. I know for awhile he even viewed it’s effects as coming mostly from the rone (I think that may have changed), but if you look at the reality of what the product does, it’s the alpha nol doing most of the work.
It acts more like a “flavored” androstenol itself, more than a predominantly rone product. It acts like a “warmed up” (rone can “warm up” most mixes) alpha androstenol, with the rone playing a subordinate role to the alpha-nol. The the reality is that the alpha-nol is the vehicle, with the rone merely steering it. It’s an alpha-nol product – a flavored, “gourmet” alpha nol.
Heh.
Some Asians seem to react almost sexually to BOTH alpha and beta-nol, in a way that exceeds the impact you see on most races (young women of almost any race, though, seem to have an almost sexual reaction to beta-nol, too - I’ve seen alpha/beta-nol mixes such as Come Talk To Me v2 create some startlingly unexpected results on younger women).
You’re experienced, so you probably already have plenty of those two mones already. I’d be very interested to see how Instant Shine works with Asians and Pacific Islanders, though.
PheroQuirk recently took a trip to Japan, and I think he used Instant Shine with great success. He uses enormous, almost orchestra-like mixes, though, so it’d be worth writing him … or starting a new thread about Japanese mixes, and getting him to join and share.
Does CTTM v2 = CTTM2 has both nols, MHarris? Can you/will you explain the startlingly unexpected results … positive or negative?
Is Come Talk To Me suppose to do what the name is?
Thanks
MHarris,
Personally, I really like the “neurotic” edge to some of the older -nol products. I’ve always had a nack for starting up conversations with complete strangers. The -nol really amplifys this and I’m really able to control the situation. Then again, ODs tend to get a little outta hand.
It’s interesting that you mention SOE. It has been the most effective product (for me) with asians. Heck, they (asians) always seem to find me when I have SOE on.
-SwingerMD
More than a DIHL, I’ve personally seen jaw dropping and subsequent from younger women (some of questionable legal age) with CTTM Mix 2. Not expected whatsoever. In fact, if I didn’t see it myself, I wouldn’t have believed it.
Yes, it was supposed to (key words).
There’s a few mixes of it (the original was the product which introduced beta-nol to the market), but unfortunately, none really make women come talk to you if you’re a male that’s at all intimidating (this description should fit most men).
You usually have to hit their “talk button” first in some way. Even a simple “hello” will do, and off they’ll go from there. (or give 'em in an excuse to say hello – wear an intriguing prop, a band t-shirt, or something else easy to comment on)
If you really want women to initiate with no effort on your part whatsoever, IFM sometimes does the trick when matched with a predominately alpha nol mix such as Instant Openness, CTTM M2, Spaceland, etc.
I completely understand. I like the “fun” edge of pure alpha nol myself (which is what Spaceland embraces).
Instant Openness still works like that (it’s great for people who start up convos), but communication is more meaningful, that’s all. A little less craziness, and more exchange.
Asians seem to react very well to alpha-nol, and SOE is basically “warmed up” alpha nol.
Think of it as a big shot of fun (alpha-nol), with a side of warmth and safety (rone). It’s no wonder younger women and Asians alike are both equally attracted to alpha nol with small amounts of rone.
“Safe fun”. Almost like an amusement park vibe.
I have test mix that’s similar, except it also has an “extra side” of elation and joy (similar to Shine).
I’m guess CTTM2 would be a good product to use in relationships when you want the women to reveal things about herself she normally wouldn’t? Or do you think you would need more beta-nol(IH) for that effect?
No jaw dropping and subsequent from legal age women? Is there a guideline for using CTTM M2 or is it spray/use until you see results? How long does a bottle normally last? Sorry for all of the questions … I looked to see if the information was there, but found nothing.
Your thoughts by your findings would steer you to IFM or CTTM M2, MHarris? From what I gather, CTTM M2 would be the best choice, but it’s even better wth IFM, yes?
Thanks
a combination of 3 sprays IFM, 3 IO, and 3 IS makes a great way to entice women to initiate you without you doing much at all.
I may get one of the Great Androstenone Experiment sets. After seeing how Pongo has gotten good results with such a large quantity of sprays.
Question: Will the possible resulting product of the Anone Experiments be less sexual than straight TUTH?
Watch out! He’s stated previously that large amounts of -none, any -none, tend to be best for him.
So I wouldn’t necessarily use as many sprays as Pongo.
If I update TUTH with the data, then no… I want to keep that quite sexual.
I’d love to see more people onboard The Great Androstenone Experiment, btw. We do have a few more sets:
Can women take part in this experiment. I’ve heard none + woman = overly aggressive super woman. So I’m not sure if this is for me. I’m aggressive as hick already. Although in certain work related situations an aggressive women can go far.
Unfortunately, it’s far too strong.
We might be able to whip up a custom half-dose set for you, but even that is 2.5mcg per dose (which may be OK with some of the buffered bottles in the set).
Normally, with straight -none, I’d recommend something closer to 1mcg/dose for women. Maybe even less.
Mharris I had a feeling you were going to say that. Oh well. I think this is a little too hot for me. It sounds like this experiment is going to bring us women to our knees. Bring it on, boys.
Peace Out
i’ll give it a shot.
IF I normally wear and get good results with 1 spray TUTH as long as its paired with A314. Should I try 2 sprays of T1-T6…or just stick to 1?
2 sprays TUTH I’ve seen negative effects on my male friends. They even get depressed and edgy with just 2 sprays sometimes.
I’ve used several of the T1-T6 formulations, anywhere from 5-8+ sprays and I’ve never gotten any negative side effects. Actually shortly after spraying one of the formulations I got a little lift in mood.As much as I can try I can’t OD on these.YMMV.